[Archived] Morten Gamst Pedersen- Time To Get Rid

[Steve Moss]

If MGP is on 40k/week (hypothetically), that equates to 2.08 million/year. What does a young, talented midfielder go for? Could we pay a million on a transfer fee, with a 20k/week salary? If so, that means the first year we would pay an MGP salary (with fee), but actually have a million/year additional for each year following that, or 3 million over 4 years.

I suspect the above is too easy. But we could actually extrapolate MGP's cost over 4 years to 8.32 million. What is a reasonable transfer fee for someone on the last year of their contract, such as Cardiff City's Joe Ledley (a good midfielder, age 22)? Last year Cardiff rejected a 5 million offer, but that was when he had 2 years on his contract. He's down to less than a year, so maybe a 2 million offer might be accepted. And that would still allow for about 30k/week wages.

I'm not saying go for Ledley. He's just an example. But MGP's cost to us is over 8 million over 4 years (assuming 40/k a week). That gives the club a lot of flexibility in finding a talented, young replacement on a 4 year contract. And the club's flexibility would only be increased if we were to get any amount for selling MGP in January.

[mellison24]

If MGP is on 40k/week (hypothetically), that equates to 2.08 million/year. What does a young, talented midfielder go for? Could we pay a million on a transfer fee, with a 20k/week salary? If so, that means the first year we would pay an MGP salary (with fee), but actually have a million/year additional for each year following that, or 3 million over 4 years.

I suspect the above is too easy. But we could actually extrapolate MGP's cost over 4 years to 8.32 million. What is a reasonable transfer fee for someone on the last year of their contract, such as Cardiff City's Joe Ledley (a good midfielder, age 22)? Last year Cardiff rejected a 5 million offer, but that was when he had 2 years on his contract. He's down to less than a year, so maybe a 2 million offer might be accepted. And that would still allow for about 30k/week wages.

I'm not saying go for Ledley. He's just an example. But MGP's cost to us is over 8 million over 4 years (assuming 40/k a week). That gives the club a lot of flexibility in finding a talented, young replacement on a 4 year contract. And the club's flexibility would only be increased if we were to get any amount for selling MGP in January.

Or better yet, stick Olsson at Left midfield and get in Gojko Kacar as the 'young LB'. Sorted!

[Steve Moss]

. . .stick Olsson at Left midfield and get in Gojko Kacar as the 'young LB'.

According to wikipedia, his current club paid 3 million for him last year. Would they take 4 million now? And would he take 20k/week? If the answer is yes, then Gojko Kacar is an MGP money equivalent. Which would Sam prefer to have on the pitch?

On that note, do Croats and Serbs get along? I don't think we'd wanted a conflicted dressing room.

[mellison24]

According to wikipedia, his current club paid 3 million for him last year. Would they take 4 million now? And would he take 20k/week? If the answer is yes, then Gojko Kacar is an MGP money equivalent. Which would Sam prefer to have on the pitch?

On that note, do Croats and Serbs get along? I don't think we'd wanted a conflicted dressing room.

Ah maybe not then. In terms of conflict, its reached the same stage as having a german and english player in the same squad hasnt it? Friendly banter, mostly forgotten?

[Steve Moss]

When Di Santo returns to Chelsea, is Sam going to attempt to find another loanee from an EPL team? If so, sell MGP, bank the proceeds for the summer, and find a permenant replacement then, when prices are a bit lower.

And I'd like to get Aaron Ramsey from Arsenal on loan. He looks like the goods and is only 18.

[CrazyIvan]

Ah maybe not then. In terms of conflict, its reached the same stage as having a german and english player in the same squad hasnt it? Friendly banter, mostly forgotten?

Nope, not forgotten and not quite friendly but better than it was. I was in Croatia a couple of years ago and the scars are still there. In the dressing room, I actually don't think it would matter as they are far from home and from the same region. That, in itself, breaks down a lot of barriers.

[The Prof.]

Mort is nothing like £40k a week - 20ish. why get rid of the best left back at the club? Anyway count the times he hits the 1st man and puts over rubbish against the number he puts in - it's a high % but he does hit a lot more in than most left sided midfielders in the prem.

[M2XLY]

how can people say to get rid of MGP?

His work rate is better than alot of players in the prem, never mind just at rovers.

just because he has stopped scoring those fantastic goals that he used to get years ago it doesnt mean we should get rid. We would really struggle to replace him. I think that in the last few games he is building a really good understanding with the Chimbonda!

All those saying get rid need a reality check and notice that we need grafters who work back in our club.

[roversmum]

It doesn't help the player when you get silly headlines like the one for this thread. Or a favourite word - cr*p which is so eagerly sprouted about certain players and repeated ad infinitum.

I suppose most of you guys are invincible and have never been told that your work isn't up to scratch and had your confidence affected

Get behind the lads, all of them, they are wearing blue and white, they are Rovers.

[Hughesy]

Sign him up for 3 years and if at the end of the season he's not playing then review his role then, but we need him in a position that should the decision be to move him on we Rovers benefit and that means a fee and a good one.

Did he sign his current contract back during his golden period?

I'd be hopeful it wasn't too much more than 30K but if he's on 40K maybe more, well that does change it slightly.

MGP is not the priority, its the gaping hole we've all been on about for ages central midfield. So thats the area we muct deal with, then next its up front and Sam must make some decisions on players, Roberts and Benni.

Yeah back in 2006 he signed a 4 year deal, on the back of the season where he bagged 10 in 42 games and we finished 6th! It was reported at the time that we doubled his wages to fend off interest in him.

I agree Centre mid & getting rid of Roberts is a more pressing priority though...

So we sign him on a new 3 year contract, 40k + per week deal and then if he plays rubbish for most of the season (like he has done for the past few seasons) look to offload him? What happens if we can't offload him? stuck with him and his poor performances for another 3 seasons? Clubs aren't exactly rushing to try and secure his signature.

Makes some very good points. IF MGP is crap, who would want to sign him and for what Money? Not Chelsea, City, Villa, United, Tottenham....who does that leave?

Mort is nothing like £40k a week - 20ish.

£20k? Gallagher was on at least £16k a week mate, so somehow I dont see our winger, one of the main assets when he signed a new contract (after 10 goals in 42 games) and with the interest of Arsenal, Spurs & United being reported that he only signed up for £20k for the next 4 years do you?

Iv heard figures of more than double the 20k you think... In 2006 they DOUBLED his wages to stay, which then no doubt had yearly increases built in, aswell as performance related bonuses etc being added. No way is he only on 20k....

[CrazyIvan]

It makes me laugh at the blindness and naivity of fans on here. Pedersen is one of our most productive players. He's not the best winger in the world but he's worth far more to us than the cost of any replacement. How could we afford to replace him and with whom anyway? He might have had a poor couple of seasons comparatively but compared to what? His first when he was sensational? He's getting back to that form again and I would suggest he'll score a few goals this season. He isn't 'crap'. He's crap like an Audi R8 compared to the Ferrari that is Ronaldo but he's much better than say compared to the Mondeo that is Andrews. Don't get me wrong, a Mondeo is a decent vehicle and does the job which is what you might say about Andrews but Pedersen has those added skills that mean free-kicks from him are a danger, and his crosses are often very dangerous and he gets into the right positions more often than not.

[Hughesy]

I think the talk about Pedersen are born from frustrations with the following:

- Poor Corner kicks

- Pussying out of 50/50 tackles

- Losing possesion of the ball and sometimes it seems like he needs a wake-up call

- Not scoring the same wonder goals as before

[LeftWinger]

..compared to the Mondeo that is Andrews.

[roversmum]

But the players are chosen by the management to play, it isn't their fault. What do folks expect them to do, say "No, I'm not playing, I'm not good enough, please sell me to another club." No, they go out there and do their best for Blackburn Rovers, which is what they are paid to do.

Notwithstanding further argument, it is the FANS who then let themselves down by then not encouraging and supporting the players who are on the field wearing the shirts.

[T4E]

Brilliant

[joey_big_nose]

I think the talk about Pedersen are born from frustrations with the following:

- Poor Corner kicks

- Pussying out of 50/50 tackles

- Losing possesion of the ball and sometimes it seems like he needs a wake-up call

- Not scoring the same wonder goals as before

My main issue with his is that he does not realy hurt the opposition. A decent full back can deal with him relatively easily - he just doesn't create that many chances. However any decision has to be comparative - so the question is realistically can we find someone to do a better job than him?

Tough one. It would probably depend on the market and our scouting. If we can rustle up a Bentley/NZonzi/Samba type of massive bargain clearly it's doable. But we don't know who those guys are, so we just have to wait and see. Also, interestingly, Sam has had a look at loads of wide left players over the summer (Rothen being one, the Egyptian fellow another) so he is obviously considering at least injecting some competition. Camel could be earmarked for the left too....

Anywhich way this is the last season MGP will have at the club. He isn't going to sign a new contract as we aren't going to offer terms that he finds acceptable. Expect to see him at Portsmouth/West Ham/Hull this time next year

ps. Obviously there are a number of existing options too. Olsson can play LW as he does for Sweden U21, Van Heerden is coming back and Hoiett is around. All rather square pegs for left wing. I would like to see Olsson given a go, mainly becuase he has pace to burn, decent delivery and a pleasing desire to get into the box. Deserves 30 mins out there sometime or another.

pps. Actually Diouf is clearly the person to play left instead of Pedersen. Despite being right footed he looks much more comfortable on the left that the right.

[Hughesy]

Anywhich way this is the last season MGP will have at the club. He isn't going to sign a new contract as we aren't going to offer terms that he finds acceptable.

Really?! Where have you heard this?

[MarkBRFC71]

It makes me laugh at the blindness and naivity of fans on here. Pedersen is one of our most productive players. He's not the best winger in the world but he's worth far more to us than the cost of any replacement. How could we afford to replace him and with whom anyway? He might have had a poor couple of seasons comparatively but compared to what? His first when he was sensational? He's getting back to that form again and I would suggest he'll score a few goals this season. He isn't 'crap'. He's crap like an Audi R8 compared to the Ferrari that is Ronaldo but he's much better than say compared to the Mondeo that is Andrews. Don't get me wrong, a Mondeo is a decent vehicle and does the job which is what you might say about Andrews but Pedersen has those added skills that mean free-kicks from him are a danger, and his crosses are often very dangerous and he gets into the right positions more often than not.

I think the one suffering from blindness and naivety is you. Tell me what he's produced over the last three years? About 3 goals and 6 or 7 assists at best? From a left winger thats p*ss poor. His form is not getting any better - if the last two games are anything to go by, it's taking a turn for the worse. The only time he's played to an acceptable level in the last two seasons was against Burnley.

I don't buy the old work-rate chestnut - he's no better than any of the rest of the team, and when you add to that he wimps out of tackles, his corners are abysmal, his crossing nearly always badly timed, overhit or underhit, and his runs badly timed or just not even being made.

We'd be better served playing Diouf, Olsson, Dunny, or Hoilett out there for me.

As for a replacement, there's plenty. Let's start with Posh's George Boyd for a start who was head and shoulders above Pedersen on Tuesday ....

[CrazyIvan]

I think the one suffering from blindness and naivety is you. Tell me what he's produced over the last three years? About 3 goals and 6 or 7 assists at best? From a left winger thats p*ss poor. His form is not getting any better - if the last two games are anything to go by, it's taking a turn for the worse. The only time he's played to an acceptable level in the last two seasons was against Burnley.

I don't buy the old work-rate chestnut - he's no better than any of the rest of the team, and when you add to that he wimps out of tackles, his corners are abysmal, his crossing nearly always badly timed, overhit or underhit, and his runs badly timed or just not even being made.

We'd be better served playing Diouf, Olsson, Dunny, or Hoilett out there for me.

As for a replacement, there's plenty. Let's start with Posh's George Boyd for a start who was head and shoulders above Pedersen on Tuesday ....

You haven't answered my questions though have you?

[Neil Weaver]

I think the one suffering from blindness and naivety is you. Tell me what he's produced over the last three years? About 3 goals and 6 or 7 assists at best? From a left winger thats p*ss poor. His form is not getting any better - if the last two games are anything to go by, it's taking a turn for the worse. The only time he's played to an acceptable level in the last two seasons was against Burnley.

I don't buy the old work-rate chestnut - he's no better than any of the rest of the team, and when you add to that he wimps out of tackles, his corners are abysmal, his crossing nearly always badly timed, overhit or underhit, and his runs badly timed or just not even being made.

We'd be better served playing Diouf, Olsson, Dunny, or Hoilett out there for me.

As for a replacement, there's plenty. Let's start with Posh's George Boyd for a start who was head and shoulders above Pedersen on Tuesday ....

Bleedin ell Mark, you don't half spout some. As well as that, how much is a high profile player like Boyd going to cost? And can't remember him playing wide the other night.

[Ricky]

Get Adam Johnson in, he's in the same situation as gamst. We'd need to get in there early as there will be a lot of competition for him in january.

[Hughesy]

Get Adam Johnson in, he's in the same situation as gamst. We'd need to get in there early as there will be a lot of competition for him in january.

Freebie in the summer so free to negotiate in January with clubs.....Hopefully Sam will have his eye on that one. I think however Everton & Spurs will probably get involved in it aswell!

[Majiball]

Yeah back in 2006 he signed a 4 year deal, on the back of the season where he bagged 10 in 42 games and we finished 6th! It was reported at the time that we doubled his wages to fend off interest in him.

I agree Centre mid & getting rid of Roberts is a more pressing priority though...

Savage, yet another sufferer of I just got "the contract" syndrome then. I wonder what Ped's would do if we offered him a slightly lower normal wage but with serious performance incentives, which make it back up to his current level?

Is Adam Johnson a freebie in the summer or a tribunal jobbie?

[Hughesy]

Entitled to some compo - but that would be no where near what he's worth.

[AggyBlue]

But the players are chosen by the management to play, it isn't their fault. What do folks expect them to do, say "No, I'm not playing, I'm not good enough, please sell me to another club." No, they go out there and do their best for Blackburn Rovers, which is what they are paid to do.

Notwithstanding further argument, it is the FANS who then let themselves down by then not encouraging and supporting the players who are on the field wearing the shirts.

Love the new soapbox Mum

A point I've made a few times too. No point booing the player at all, it must have an adverse effect on the team as a whole.