[Archived] Deadwood That Needs Moving On......

[Hughesy]

So we should give up on Kalinic? A 21 year old we signed for big money and probably wouldn't recoup half of it.

Odd logic.

Graham doesnt do logic!

I mean Kalinic has played LOADS of games....and missed LOADS of chances unlike Roberts!

[AggyBlue]

Graham doesnt do logic!

I mean Kalinic has played LOADS of games....and missed LOADS of chances unlike Roberts!

I'd swap Kalinic for Zurab in that list.

[Miker]

We don't need to offload anyone. McCarthy is the only player we could get rid of if Sam plans on playing a 4-2-3-1 because it will be pointless keeping him here given he in no way fits the formation.

Sam should monitor the situation at Hertha BSC very closely. Next season if wages/transfer budget becomes available for a sufficient amount of money he should be looking at Gojko Kacar, who is young and absolutely brilliant and would turn our side into a real force in the league. Just that one player is all we need. Free up wages from Salgado and McCarthy and get him.

[Hughesy]

We don't need to offload anyone. McCarthy is the only player we could get rid of if Sam plans on playing a 4-2-3-1 because it will be pointless keeping him here given he in no way fits the formation.

So you are happy with the quality of Roberts, Andrews, MGP & Nelsen?

[G Somerset Rover]

5)Adam Johnson-Boro's young and exciting winger, can use both his left and right foot, skillful and got a bit of pace and most importantly he can play left wing. Prem clubs will come calling for him in January and I would really hope we would be involved in the bidding for him. He would be the first player I would bid for this Jan and the reason why I saved him until last on here. He really could be something special and showed potential even when they went down last season. He's had to wait his turn behind Downing and wait for him to leave, but IMO he is an even better player.

I mentioned Johnson on the Gamst thread and couldn't agree more.

I'm also pretty sure that his contract is up in the summer (just like Gamst) so we could either get him on the cheap in January, or more likely, agree a deal for the summer with the player. It'd be a one in, one out scenario and I'm sure that MGP's wages would cover Johnson's seeing as he's had about three new contracts since joining us.

Of course there will be other clubs competing, but this is a great chance to replace one of our poorest players with someone who will only get better by age and will no doubt go on to be an England international.

[thenodrog]

Out the door January if poss,

Selgado

Diouf

Andrews

Roberts

McCarthy

Grella

Out the door in the summer ie last chance saloon

Reid

Nelsen

Pederson

Kalinic

If poss?

Graham have you checked the contractual situation of those players?

I repeat... with footballers contracts the way they are it just doesn't work like that. The whole system is a bollax whereby the average footballers contract is prob 3/4 years yet the average managerial tenure is approx 2 - 2.5 years (even less in the lower leagues). Finances aside how tf can any new manager get his own players in to play his own system when stats dictate that he prob won't be around long enough to get his own players in? Hughes just about achieved it here before he was tempted away by Cooke.

Can people please consider this before spouting shyte about 'getting rid' of whoever?

[Sparky Marky]

I mentioned Johnson on the Gamst thread and couldn't agree more.

I'm also pretty sure that his contract is up in the summer (just like Gamst) so we could either get him on the cheap in January, or more likely, agree a deal for the summer with the player. It'd be a one in, one out scenario and I'm sure that MGP's wages would cover Johnson's seeing as he's had about three new contracts since joining us.

Of course there will be other clubs competing, but this is a great chance to replace one of our poorest players with someone who will only get better by age and will no doubt go on to be an England international.

This guy's going to a big club when he does move....can't see us being in the runnin.

[gumboots]

This guy's going to a big club when he does move....can't see us being in the runnin.

I don't know how much we actually have and unlike some others on here I don't pretend to know but since it seems fairly obvious that we have little to no money at all, I can't see how getting rid of most of the players mentioned who are in several cases close to the end of contracts would help, other than to cut the wage bill. We need players and would have to spend cash we don't have to replace them. Just getting rid is not the answer. Somehow the manager has to get more out of most of what he's got, or at least get a better set up that enables the players we do have to play to their strengths and doesn't rely on defending narrow leads for almost a whole game or trying damage limitation. Pundits said "This did not look like an allardyce team" We don't have the kind of players that an Allardyce team used to have and until we do, if we keep our manager, then he has to find a system that works. We keep seeing glimpses of that, but not consistently in team selectiona and set up.

[Hughesy]

MGP - Out of contract in 8 months

Brown - Out of Contract in 8 months

Reid - Out of Contract in 8 months

Andrews - Fulham interested.

Thats 4 big decisions to make + hopefully find a buyer for Roberts & Nelsen.

[Drunx2002]

Seeing as the transfer window isn't open for another 9 weeks isn't this debate just a little pointless? We can't sell this lot even if we wanted to and that would also involve other clubs wanting to spend money on them!

[Miker]

So you are happy with the quality of Roberts, Andrews, MGP & Nelsen?

Let me say this: majority of the people on here absolutely slate players if they perform poorly for one game.

Roberts despite his lack of quality in the finishing department offers us very good options in attack and reminds me of Heskey. He won't score many, but he brings other players into the game. I'm not convinced of Roberts as a lone striker though in the current formation, but fact is he does cause problems to the opposition defence and he's shown that on a number of occasions. I would rather keep him than sell him for what... under a million?

I've already stated my view of Andrews on here numerous time, he gets unfairly criticised every time the team plays poorly. It's not like Andrews is the lynchpin of the team and if people believe that then there's something seriously wrong with them and I can understand why they are depressed about the current state of the team. Personally I have not seen anything of Andrews to suggest we must get rid of him immediately because he is somehow consistently awful like Mokoena was. Plus we just offered him a new contract... we're not getting rid, just get over it.

My opinion of Gamst is a bit 50/50, sometimes he frustrates me, sometimes I think he's superb. Fact is, getting rid of him would be an awful decision... he's our primary set piece taker and when he's in form he is excellent. The funny thing is that you guys want to get rid of our player with the most assists last season (Gamst) and then you want to get rid of our top-scoring midfielder last season (Andrews) as well, which is just bizarre. Clearly both are doing something right and to say we need to get rid of them is, to me, pretty absurd.

Nelsen... our captain and most consistent and reliable defender last season? Ok, sure. I've been critical of Nelsen in the past, but to get rid of him at this point in time would be an even more awful decision than selling Gamst.

I completely agree we need another central midfielder because Andrews and N'zonzi are not good enough as starters, but I would be interested to see how Grella and Reid do if and when they come back. I think with our current team, if we could bring a quality central midfielder in then it would solve a lot of our problems. So better start that fundraiser to get 8mil for Kacar

[Hughesy]

Let me say this: majority of the people on here absolutely slate players if they perform poorly for one game.

Roberts despite his lack of quality in the finishing department offers us very good options in attack

I've already stated my view of Andrews on here numerous time, he gets unfairly criticised every time the team plays poorly.

My opinion of Gamst is a bit 50/50, sometimes he frustrates me, sometimes I think he's superb.

Nelsen... our captain and most consistent and reliable defender last season?

Roberts offers us a good attacking option?

Pedersen is 50/50 between frustrating & superb?

Nelsen - most consistent & reliable defender?

Andrews - unfairly criticised??

Seriously you cant of watched us live much in the last season or so...I agree with more or less none of what you have said...

[Miker]

Roberts offers us a good attacking option?

Pedersen is 50/50 between frustrating & superb?

Nelsen - most consistent & reliable defender?

Andrews - unfairly criticised??

Seriously you cant of watched us live much in the last season or so...I agree with more or less none of what you have said...

Then watch again. I didn't say Pedersen was 50/50... I said my opinion of him is. He's frustrated me at times, but at other times he has been superb, like against Burnley for instance.

You've been watching Blackburn games for the last 2 seasons and you don't actually think Nelsen is our most consistent & reliable defender? Samba is my favourite player on the team, but he's had some absolute shockers in the past, and not any less than Nelsen. Givet was brilliant at the start of the season, but he's been at fault a few times now as well (poor marking against Burnley for the second goal after he came on and an own goal against Chelsea).

Yes, Andrews is unfairly criticised... I'm not even going to start, just go on his thread to see some overzealous opinions about him.

Play Roberts alone against the best defense in the league (possibly in Europe) and play Diouf out of position behind him and of course he's going to do poorly Fact is, in the last 2 games that he's played that I can remember, he did well against Wolves and did well when he came on as a sub against Burnley. So is he really useless to us? I'll brace myself for some reply about his Championship standard...

[CrazyIvan]

Then watch again. I didn't say Pedersen was 50/50... I said my opinion of him is. He's frustrated me at times, but at other times he has been superb, like against Burnley for instance.

You've been watching Blackburn games for the last 2 seasons and you don't actually think Nelsen is our most consistent & reliable defender? Samba is my favourite player on the team, but he's had some absolute shockers in the past, and not any less than Nelsen. Givet was brilliant at the start of the season, but he's been at fault a few times now as well (poor marking against Burnley for the second goal after he came on and an own goal against Chelsea).

Yes, Andrews is unfairly criticised... I'm not even going to start, just go on his thread to see some overzealous opinions about him.

Play Roberts alone against the best defense in the league (possibly in Europe) and play Diouf out of position behind him and of course he's going to do poorly Fact is, in the last 2 games that he's played that I can remember, he did well against Wolves and did well when he came on as a sub against Burnley. So is he really useless to us? I'll brace myself for some reply about his Championship standard...

I agree with you. Some of the comments about player ability on here are pretty shocking. Pedersen was excellent against Burnley and has started to produce. Getting rid now would be utterly counter-productive and suggesting names that are unproven is a step down the Ince path of management.

[Hughesy]

How many chances does Roberts need to score, regardless of the opposition?! He's is a championship level striker at best...sorry but its the truth.

MGP has the odd decent game (i.e. Burnley), but id say 90% of his games are usually average at best.

Nelsen vs Samba..... sorry but Samba makes far less mistakes than Nelsen and he also covers a hell of alot for Nelsens serious lack of pace. Nelsen had a fault in 3 of Chelsea's goals on saturday alone. We conceded 6 at Arse & 5 at Chelsea...does that not tell you how much we miss Samba in the middle? Same at Everton 1-0, we bring Nelsen on and lose 3-0! Nelsen is not even half the player Samba is... I really wish people would realise how important he is to us.

[Billy Castell]

If Roberts is a Premier league standard striker then I'm the answer to England's batting problems, and my hamster is the Pope. He should go on a free if need be, assuming Chelsea get their ban overturned and we can keep Di Santo. As much as I love Nelsen, I think he should at the most be the 3rd choice defender, with a Givet/Samba combination in the middle. I have little idea how Bunn and Treacy are doing at Sheffield Utd. but they do seem to concede a few goals. So here is my list:

Definately Out:

Roberts

Brown

Zurab

Reid

Future uncertain:

MGP

Andrews

Nelsen

Benni

Bunn

Treacy

[Miker]

How many chances does Roberts need to score, regardless of the opposition?! He's is a championship level striker at best...sorry but its the truth.

MGP has the odd decent game (i.e. Burnley), but id say 90% of his games are usually average at best.

Nelsen vs Samba..... sorry but Samba makes far less mistakes than Nelsen and he also covers a hell of alot for Nelsens serious lack of pace. Nelsen had a fault in 3 of Chelsea's goals on saturday alone. We conceded 6 at Arse & 5 at Chelsea...does that not tell you how much we miss Samba in the middle? Same at Everton 1-0, we bring Nelsen on and lose 3-0! Nelsen is not even half the player Samba is... I really wish people would realise how important he is to us.

I agree with you and I think Samba has now become quite solid, but if you look back at the previous 2 season you will see that Nelsen has done better.

When you look at stats of those 4 players on various sites you'll find that either every one of these experts is completely deluded or maybe some people are picking problems where there are none.

Link to the Sky Sports player ratings: http://www.skysports.com/football/user_ratings/0,19768,11065_3149890,00.html

Andrews absolutely dominated the midfield?

[gumboots]

How many chances does Roberts need to score, regardless of the opposition?! He's is a championship level striker at best...sorry but its the truth.

MGP has the odd decent game (i.e. Burnley), but id say 90% of his games are usually average at best.

Nelsen vs Samba..... sorry but Samba makes far less mistakes than Nelsen and he also covers a hell of alot for Nelsens serious lack of pace. Nelsen had a fault in 3 of Chelsea's goals on saturday alone. We conceded 6 at Arse & 5 at Chelsea...does that not tell you how much we miss Samba in the middle? Same at Everton 1-0, we bring Nelsen on and lose 3-0! Nelsen is not even half the player Samba is... I really wish people would realise how important he is to us.

The thing is, we can't get rid of any players at the moment; we can't afford to replace any we do get rid of; time and again we've been told there is no money. Our only option is to put players on the bench. that presupposes that we have players to come in if we do bench certain others. Poor or not, Nelsen and others keep their place because the manager, who sees them not just on matchdays but every day, deems them to be a better option than anyone else he has available. Whether he's right or not may be a matter for debate, but he does think that, faute de mieux, those are the best options he has. Until someone shows him in training on a regular basis that they could just be ready to step up, he'll not make changes.

[CrazyIvan]

Andrews absolutely dominated the midfield?

It actually says 'Absolutely dominated in midfield.' which I think means he was dominated rather he did the dominating.

[Miker]

It actually says 'Absolutely dominated in midfield.' which I think means he was dominated rather he did the dominating.

Why spoil my fun?

[Amo]

I'd more than gladly sell Andrews in January and take whatever money we can for Pedersen.

Can't see Roberts leaving yet, what with Di Santo a shoe-in to return to Chelsea in January.

[CrazyIvan]

Why spoil my fun?

Sorry mate

I think you're right about pretty much everything else you've said though...