[Archived] Sam's January Targets

[den]

Anyway, time to move on. As someone else said earlier, come summer we will have only two strikers at the club. It appears from the latest statement from JW on the accounts document, that we should be back to a trading club by then. So where do we find the cash for two strikers, maybe a left winger and/or midfielder or two?

Worrying.

[den]

We are taking the sensible approach, other clubs are getting themselves in huge debt hoping things will come good. I'd rather we were in control of our own destiny rather than banks and administrators stepping in.

Who is suggesting that we pay a fortune for a player unluckymorten? You're on the wrong track there.

[unluckymorton]

Who is suggesting that we pay a fortune for a player unluckymorten? You're on the wrong track there.

Who do we tempt away from their club then? What club is going to allow a competent striker to leave for the £2m mark? Big mac left for that money but that's not the sort of player we want to attract is it? If we want somebody to go out there and sulk for 90mins every week I'm sure you could do a good job of that for us!

[den]

Who do we tempt away from their club then? What club is going to allow a competent striker to leave for the £2m mark? Big mac left for that money but that's not the sort of player we want to attract is it? If we want somebody to go out there and sulk for 90mins every week I'm sure you could do a good job of that for us!

Ah, now the insults?

We were looking primarily for a striker from another club, on loan. You say there were none available, yet you don't know that.

I agree that the players we were looking to bring in didn't look too clever to me, or anyone else, so why were they on our list in the first place? Go look elsewhere. As Mandrake has just said "I mean..the world has like a BILLION football players...ffs,,look around more".

[trueblue]

Hopefully the interest in the likes of Treacy will grow over the remainder of the season and a couple of deals can be done in the closed season period to lighten our wage bill so we can plan for the future.

apparently he's signed for Preston for an undisclosed fee

[Mandrake]

The answer for Rovers would be low key markets..like one Mr Hughes was a master of... I mean..If Rovers have a low budget, fine, there are plenty of up and coming CHEAP players from Norway, Sweden, Denmark, France etc,,,low key leagues..whom the clubs rarely has the power to command more than appromximately 1 million pounds in transfer fee. THIS would be one solution..I mean..the world has like a BILLION football players...ffs,,look around more..what are the scouting network for ? To find James Beattie down the hill ?

[Gav]

Ok but your preferred option is...?

Save the 2.5 million and spend 6 on a striker in the summer.

[bluebruce]

apparently he's signed for Preston for an undisclosed fee

I think by the likes of Treacy, he didn't mean Treacy, but his ilk. Ie, youth fringe players who are never going to make it and could net us some minimal fees.

[unluckymorton]

Ah, now the insults?

We were looking primarily for a striker from another club, on loan. You say there were none available, yet you don't know that.

No offence intended den, I just can't get my head round the doom and gloom brigade. Please don't take to heart mate.

You're right. I'm not aware of who was available at what cost on loan, but also we are not aware of how hard the club worked to make it happen. If a decent striker was available on loan then I'm sure Sam and the Board would have made it happen. If you look at Robbie Keane going to Celtic (another club he has supported all his life) for in excess of £100k per week a decent proven striker could well have been out of our league.

The media and agents don't help in the transfer window, the rumour created by the press to sell papers cause a lot of damage to the players and clubs by dreaming up moves to here there and everywhere. Most of us take it as gospel when an agent is quoted saying such a club is interested in such a player then we think 'why isn't our club going for him?'.

I can understand that you are frustrated but you've got to look on the bright side that we are currently doing well and Kalinic is coming on leaps and bounds.

Save the 2.5 million and spend 6 on a striker in the summer.

Good speech GAV, don't panic buy now and sign somebody decent in the summer.

[bluebruce]

Save the 2.5 million and spend 6 on a striker in the summer.

Ok, next question- how is it we are going to have 6 million to spend in the summer? Let alone on one player?

[den]

No offence intended den, I just can't get my head round the doom and gloom brigade. Please don't take to heart mate.

Ah, no probs.

It is a subject that goes beyond this messageboard. It's not just a few miserable gits on here that are annoyed.

The LT has had over 160 posts on yesterdays transfer dealings.

LT comments.

[Gav]

Ok, next question- how is it we are going to have 6 million to spend in the summer? Let alone on one player?

Sky money.

Rovers budget from summer to summer, the club will make more funds available from the sky TV deal.

The manager is given x amount and told he'll get no more, so spend it wisely.

Already 2.5 million for starters and 30-40k a week off the wage bill.

Sky money.

Rovers budget from summer to summer, the club will make more funds available from the sky TV deal.

The manager is given x amount and told he'll get no more, so spend it wisely.

Already 2.5 million for starters and 30-40k a week off the wage bill.

Can I also add here that buying Rooney at this stage of the season wouldn't make that much difference in terms of what can achieve.

[LeChuck]

Ok, next question- how is it we are going to have 6 million to spend in the summer? Let alone on one player?

Well...apparently the Warnock/Roque money plugged holes in the wage budget, and I think we budget for 13th place.

If we manage to finish 10th that's £2.25m (ish) extra...plus Benni's transfer fee, plus saved wages on Benni, Treacy and Van Heerden.

£6 million is probably a bit much, but there should be money to spend without selling.

[joey_big_nose]

Well, we did have 2.5m to spend. I'd argue we didn't have it to spend on somebody who MIGHT give us a solid but not exceptional season, two at the absolute most, before being worth sweet F.A. and still draining heavy wages. I'd have much sooner spent that on potential, when we are neither going to go down nor challenge for Europe. Look long-term. The club either does that or it sinks, because we can't buy a horde of has-beens every friggin year.

I would say that it is pretty harsh to say we have signed has beens. Allardyce, despite the stereotyping, has pulled together one of our youngest squads in recent memory.

I would have liked Moses but to be honest with Olsson, Kalinic, NZonzi, Linganzi, Jones, Di Santo and Hoilett we are much more in the market for experience to compliment that potential. The only 'has-beens' we have signed are Salgado and Basturk. One is an undoubted waste of money, but the latter I will wait to see what happens.

Chimbonda and Diouf have both represented value for money - although Diouf is cutting it fine at the moment!

In the transfr market I will give Sam credit for changing his model of approach.

Well...apparently the Warnock/Roque money plugged holes in the wage budget, and I think we budget for 13th place.

If we manage to finish 10th that's £2.25m (ish) extra...plus Benni's transfer fee, plus saved wages on Benni, Treacy and Van Heerden.

£6 million is probably a bit much, but there should be money to spend without selling.

Bigger TV deal also. And the general wage budget looks like it will be falling with Pedersen, Reid, McCarthy, Roberts all likely to leave. So you could argue a case for a good sum.

However we say every year that we will be getting a decent amount to spend, but it hasn't happend since 2002 (relative to who we have sold).... would be nice this summer though as - if football is in recession - we could actually get decent value for money.

[Iceman]

at the end of the day, the money we got for Benni will disappear like all the other money has. Next season we will hear, we dont have money to spend on new players, and that Sam will have to look in the gutter for freebies.

[trueblue]

I think by the likes of Treacy, he didn't mean Treacy, but his ilk. Ie, youth fringe players who are never going to make it and could net us some minimal fees.

Does it really matter what he meant? he named Treacy and I made an observation

[unluckymorton]

Ah, no probs.

It is a subject that goes beyond this messageboard. It's not just a few miserable gits on here that are annoyed.

The LT has had over 160 posts on yesterdays transfer dealings.

LT comments.

There has always been the doom and gloom brigade ever since my Dad started taking me on the old

Riverside as a kid then over to the Nuttall Street Enclosure. It would be boring if we all had the same opinion.

Does it really matter what he meant? he named Treacy and I made an observation

It may mean more to some than it does to others if at all. However, I was not aware of Treacy going to Preston but all points were valid so that puts that one to bed.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

at the end of the day, the money we got for Benni will disappear like all the other money has. Next season we will hear, we dont have money to spend on new players, and that Sam will have to look in the gutter for freebies.

The money wont disappear, it may not be spent on transfers but it wont vanish. If the club uses the money to pay off debts to creditors then that is good for the club. If we dont see the money in transfers then I have full confidence in the board that it will be spent to solidify the club in other ways which would happen to any money generated by transfers over the summer. Look at the bigger picture before screaming about the lack of funds.

[MarkBRFC71]

Don’t really disagree with the sentiment, but 2.5 million is now major cash for us and spending it on potential isn’t really an option unless you can almost guarantee a return.

Like we were guaranteed that Niko would work out well - for £6m? Moses or Beckford for £2.5m or so would both have been well worth a punt.

[bluebruce]

Sky money.

Rovers budget from summer to summer, the club will make more funds available from the sky TV deal.

The manager is given x amount and told he'll get no more, so spend it wisely.

Already 2.5 million for starters and 30-40k a week off the wage bill.

Can I also add here that buying Rooney at this stage of the season wouldn't make that much difference in terms of what can achieve.

This is what I thought you'd say. But from what I read, the Sky money will be used to plug our £5 million-per-year wage deficit which still remained after our summer trading. With Benni's wages gone, I would assume that is now a £3.5 million-per-year deficit. So I'd have thought that, assuming the money doesn't "vanish" yet again, we might have more like £4 million to spend. To buy/loan two strikers, not one, since Di Santo will be gone. Of course, I'm not saying any of this because I feel we should have panic-bought. Our targets were crap, hopefully we get better ones by the summer. My original point was just that a Moses-esque signing is healthier for the club than a Beattie-esque signing.

On which note, Joey, I wasn't saying that Sam has signed has-beens. I don't think he has, except perhaps the two you mentioned. I was talking about the targets we supposedly had for the striker's spot.

[BPF]

For once, I'm not making a point here. I'm not even being sarcastic in any sense. I just want to know the following:

To the people who are defending the whole "We only need two strikers and we'll get a great player in Summer, good job for not getting who you wanted Sam!" argument...

Why is it that a fantastic, proven striker who is also a great investment for the future, will be available in the Summer?

One point though...

To the guy who said £6,000,000 on a striker in Summer, are you serious?

[bluebruce]

Does it really matter what he meant? he named Treacy and I made an observation

Well yes, I felt it did. Your observation seemed to have misunderstood what he was saying, I think. And we all know Treacy has signed for Preston for an undisclosed fee, so your observation wasn't useful frankly. I wasn't meaning to pick at it though, just you seemed to be on the wrong track is all.

[den]

Anyway, time to move on. As someone else said earlier, come summer we will have only two strikers at the club. It appears from the latest statement from JW on the accounts document, that we should be back to a trading club by then. So where do we find the cash for two strikers, maybe a left winger and/or midfielder or two?

Worrying.

Two strikers and one of them will be JR who nobody wants here anyway.

[alexanders]

Anyone now approx what we got for reacy?

[tcj_jones]

Save the 2.5 million and spend 6 on a striker in the summer.

Exactly. We can go 14 games with three strikers on the books and when we're sitting in mid-table.

Don't pay over the odds when we can use the money more efficiently in the summer.

We should have only been looking to bring in a striker on loan with a view to making the deal permanent.