[Archived] Sam's January Targets

[Tom]

I'm with the rest of the old bitter ones who doesn't want him here unless it's in place of Roberts.

I think the lad can score goals but a Benni replacement he is not, Benni for all his flaws can excite a crowd without him we have few of those types.

[mellison24]

Why though? Would you not want to be the best player possible? Would you not want to achieve the most in your career, and by not working as hard for your new club, you are damaging your own record and the potential to be the best player you can be.

In theory, yes. But I play like Berbatov or McCarthy.

[Blue n White Rover]

In theory, yes. But I play like Berbatov or McCarthy.

The WTF are you doing on a messageboard telling us your life story?

[T4E]

In theory, yes. But I play like Berbatov or McCarthy.

Oh (Please don't use that word again) off.

[XLM]

Why though? Would you not want to be the best player possible? Would you not want to achieve the most in your career, and by not working as hard for your new club, you are damaging your own record and the potential to be the best player you can be.

I don't know about the other fella but I was meaning that surely playing and being successful for the team you support is the dream. I would want to play for Blackburn Rovers, not play for a bit of extra cash somewhere else. It's hardly like you'd be on the breadline applying your trade at Ewood anyway.

[Blue n White Rover]

I don't know about the other fella but I was meaning that surely playing and being successful for the team you support is the dream. I would want to play for Blackburn Rovers, not play for a bit of extra cash somewhere else. It's hardly like you'd be on the breadline applying your trade at Ewood anyway.

Take Derbyshire for example. Beattie had his chance and he was deemed not good enough. He has improved vastly since then, but the fact of the matter is you don't have to support the club you play for to give 110%. Take Dirk Kuyt for example, that lad runs his socks off for Liverpool, I'm pretty sure he isn't a Liverpool fan, it all depends on how determined the player is to succeed. What team you support doesn't really make a difference!

[donis1410]

just managed to catch up on all the gossip surrounding our club. So what are we going to do, the issue is that we need goalscorers and they are not cheap and we do not have money, but there are teams worse off than us

[Steve Moss]

Flash Dunny £50-60k a week and he'll be gone in a flash. If Beattie had the option of Rovers and say Sunderland for arguments sake, and Sunderland were offering him £10k more in salary. He'd be off to the North East in a flash!

Money talks, there is no loyalty left in football!

I think there is loyalty. But loyalty cuts both ways. If a 50k player is being asked to take a 10k cut in salary when he could earn 50k elsewhere, we have to be honest and admit that its not the player's fault for going elsewhere, its the club's. In that scenario it is the club's decision to use that 'loyalty' to take financial advantage of the player rather than paying the player what he is worth.

I like Dunny a lot. But if he can earn more elsewhere, he should be off. And while I like him, I am not in favor of paying him more that he currently makes. If that is his demand, each side should show each other some loyalty and some good faith. Dunny should be sold, to the financial advangtage of the club, and Dunny should make more money elsewhere, to his financial advantage.

[unluckymorton]

He won't try any harder because after 5 games in 2 weeks he'll be so mentally drained he won't have a clue who he's playing for.

So if that's the case he can replace MGP rather that Roberts.

[mellison24]

The WTF are you doing on a messageboard telling us your life story?

Oh (Please don't use that word again) off.

My god, lighten up!! I was just saying I'm a lazy bugger and wouldn't try! It's called a joke.

[unluckymorton]

No, I have nothing personal against Beattie, non whatsoever, except for him playing for the Rovers at this LATE stage in his career. The team is so weak we cant afford to weaken it further.

Beattie a premier league striker, at this stage of his career is highly debatable and one that I would strongly disagree with.

Jason Roberts OFFERS as much as James Beattie does at this point in their respective careers. So there you are, EQUAL, but what do Rovers get if this was a swap = nothing different at all except a missed opportunity to improve the future.

Thats what I see in Rovers signing James Beattie, nothing different at all, except A MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE FUTURE OF BLACKBURN ROVERS FOOTBALL CLUB.

Well agree to dissagree on that one JAL. I just hope if we do sign him you will give him half a chance and support him along with the rest of the lads.

[Waggy76]

Thanks for that 92er, not sure if I've heard that before.

Personally, going from my hazy recollection at the time, I'd have put our woes more down to making a poor appointment as caretaker in Norman Bodell when Jim Smith left, then an even worse permanent appointment in Jim Iley. Crucially as well the Board/Iley failed to secure the services of Dave Gregory who'd come in on loan and performed like a house on fire. That was a massive blow to morale.

Not just at Radford's feet. But then I wasn't privy to what was happening in the dressing room.

David Wagstaffe's sale to Blackpool , got Iley off on the wrong foot ....Compounded by David Gregory !

[unluckymorton]

My god, lighten up!! I was just saying I'm a lazy bugger and wouldn't try! It's called a joke.

I think I've just worked out your real identity... Are you South African?

[XLM]

Take Derbyshire for example. Beattie had his chance and he was deemed not good enough. He has improved vastly since then, but the fact of the matter is you don't have to support the club you play for to give 110%. Take Dirk Kuyt for example, that lad runs his socks off for Liverpool, I'm pretty sure he isn't a Liverpool fan, it all depends on how determined the player is to succeed. What team you support doesn't really make a difference!

I don't know what you mean by using Derbyshire as an example. The manager didn't think he was good enough. And I'm not a huge fan of Beattie. All I'm saying is it would mean more to play for the club you support. I know it would for me. That isn't to say I wouldn't try my best if I played somewhere else or anything like that.

[mellison24]

I think I've just worked out your real identity... Are you South African?

Nope, sorry. Born in Darwen, live in Darwen.

(Now as much as that is part f my life story, it was a response to unluckymorton's question, okay?)

[Blue n White Rover]

I like Dunny a lot. But if he can earn more elsewhere, he should be off. And while I like him, I am not in favor of paying him more that he currently makes. If that is his demand, each side should show each other some loyalty and some good faith. Dunny should be sold, to the financial advangtage of the club, and Dunny should make more money elsewhere, to his financial advantage.

Where's the loyalty in that then?

End of the day, money talks, right or wrong?

[mellison24]

Where's the loyalty in that then?

End of the day, money talks, right or wrong?

yep. Ironicaqlly, isn't loyalty in football generally rewarded with more dosh?

[Blue n White Rover]

I don't know what you mean by using Derbyshire as an example. The manager didn't think he was good enough. And I'm not a huge fan of Beattie. All I'm saying is it would mean more to play for the club you support. I know it would for me. That isn't to say I wouldn't try my best if I played somewhere else or anything like that.

In the sense Derbyshire seen more cash AND the opportunity to play regular first team football, so he went. He gave 110% for Olympiakos in his loan spell, and loved it there.

[unluckymorton]

yep. Ironicaqlly, isn't loyalty in football generally rewarded with more dosh?

It's a vicious circle. If they are loyal they are rewarded financially, therefore they are not loyal but staying for the money...

Basically money does talk and players will go with the money, just as I would, it's what we all work for.

In the sense Derbyshire seen more cash AND the opportunity to play regular first team football, so he went. He gave 110% for Olympiakos in his loan spell, and loved it there.

With a bit of luck Derb's will become a better stronger player and may become a target of ours in the not too distant future.

[RevidgeBlue]

I can understand this argument.

There are some games where the players look as though they simply can't be bothered. I would respectfully suggest that Dunn has fewer of those sort of days than the majority of our other players. You would hope the same would apply to Beattie.

That said I don't think the pull between Rovers and Beattie is anywhere near as strong as with Dunn and if you're not good enough in the first place it doesn't matter how hard you try.

[RoverRich]

Take Derbyshire for example. Beattie had his chance and he was deemed not good enough. He has improved vastly since then, but the fact of the matter is you don't have to support the club you play for to give 110%. Take Dirk Kuyt for example, that lad runs his socks off for Liverpool, I'm pretty sure he isn't a Liverpool fan, it all depends on how determined the player is to succeed. What team you support doesn't really make a difference!

I fully agree with this post. It completely depends on the player. Take Rooney as another example, supports Everton yet gives everything in every game he plays for Man Utd. It is all about the desire/competitiveness of the player and I am just glad we have someone like Dunn with the desire he has. Whether Beattie would have that same desire when playing for Rovers is unknown and we will find out if he does sign for us. I really hope though that, if he does sign, he does have that desire.

Just for the record, I, like others, would not mind having Beattie here but it would have to be at Roberts' expense as a strong, target man. I believe that Beattie would score more than Roberts if given the opportunities and no one would complain about that.

[Iceman]

nobody is loyal in football these days, not a manager not a player, except for 1. the only people who are loyal, are the fans, Uncle Jack(R.I.P) and Tugay

[mellison24]

nobody is loyal in football these days, not a manager not a player, except for 1. the only people who are loyal, are the fans, Uncle Jack(R.I.P) and Tugay

It's why Matt Le Tissier features in my list of all-time greats. If he'd moved to a bigger club, he'd have been a world-great. Maybe we could bring him in for Pedersen? Slight improvement?

[Iceman]

Nicko has there been a fresh approach fo Ibricic or another enquiry, with the Pedersen rumours now up and running?

[nicko]

Nicko has there been a fresh approach fo Ibricic or another enquiry, with the Pedersen rumours now up and running?

I thought they were off that idea.