[Archived] Sam's January Targets

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I think Sam has a plan here. He clearly sees Kalinic and possibly Di Santo/Hoilett as the future. It makes sense to have back up like McCarthy/Roberts or Beattie/Eidur as they develop as we can't rely on them until we can see how good, or otherwise, they are. A mix of youth and experience, if you like.

[saxo1man30]

I couldn't give a ###### about Ricardo Fuller, I know which one of those two players has been most successful at this level. Pretty sure most players had to do Teddy Sheringham's running.

pretty sure beattie doesn`t have anything like the footballing ability of teddy sheringham to make having one of our players do his running worth it. besides which, we don`t have a forward at the club that can do his running anyway, that`s the whole point of why we need a more mobile striker than him because that`s what we lack.

i`m with bluebruce, i`d rather sign jermaine beckford who does have pace and will be hungry to prove himself in the premier league.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

The Roberts comparisons are a bit turd. Apart from the goal against Arsenal, could Roberts have scored any of these chances? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTf8q-lvn8I

[American]

Our future HAS to lie in players with re-sale value, I'm not sure why some people continually refuse to understand this. If we replace two thirty-somethings with two more thirty-somethings on bigger wages and just a year younger, we are only giving ourselves an identical problem in a year or so. No money, no saleable assets, and a need for replacements.

Nail. Head. On.

[thenodrog]

I couldn't give a ###### about Ricardo Fuller, I know which one of those two players has been most successful at this level. Pretty sure most players had to do Teddy Sheringham's running.

Are you comparing James Beattie with Teddy Sheringham?

[S15]

A poor mans Teddy Sheringham. I think he has a link up aspect to his play, and not just the big barge poll some are painting him as.

[saxo1man30]

Are you comparing James Beattie with Teddy Sheringham?

laughable ain`t it? i don`t recall the great jurgen klinsmann ever requsting james beattie follow him to bayern munich to be his strike partner..

A poor mans Teddy Sheringham. I think he has a link up aspect to his play, and not just the big barge poll some are painting him as.

a poor mans sheringham? your on a wind up here..

[S15]

With all due respect his record at this level is better than our current crop of strikers. He's never moved to a club and not scored goals. Fact.

[saxo1man30]

With all due respect his record at this level is better than our current crop of strikers. He's never moved to a club and not scored goals. Fact.

what horsepoo! so he`s scored more than benni mccarthy has he? has he won the european cup too?

you ARE on the wind up!

[S15]

You obviously didn't read what I wrote.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I've just had a thought. If we did go for EG, we could give him a Tugay role? He did it at Chelsea at one point. The fact he's lost most of his pace but possibly not skill means he doesn't need to 'do a Dickov'.

[Silencio]

A poor mans Teddy Sheringham. I think he has a link up aspect to his play, and not just the big barge poll some are painting him as.

Sorry but he is absolutely nothing like Teddy Sheringham was. Not in any way.

He is a little bit better than Jason Roberts and that is all.

[saxo1man30]

Sorry but he is absolutely nothing like Teddy Sheringham was. Not in any way.

He is a little bit better than Jason Roberts and that is all.

yeah but for the one way in which he may be better, he`s a lot worse in another way i.e. pace, movement, TEAM WORK!

beattie will NEVER do what roberts did against pompey this season and win a game on his own through lung busting effort. he wants everything put on a plate for him and then he`ll turn to the fans and lap up the glory. he just hangs around the area and takes pot shots at goal from other players hard work. that is his whole game. when you consider that is all he does, his scoring record ain`t that good at all.

[bluebruce]

i think samba upfront is better than beattie would be, at least big chris works hard in that posistion. beattie has benni`s attitude to team work but without even a smidgion of the same ability on the ball or goalscoring/creating wise. in fact beattie is pretty much a like for like swap for jason roberts ability wise, but beattie is slower, and once again, doesn`t work anything like as hard for the team. how does that improve us when lack of pace/movement is an issue in our squad?

And how does Samba up front improve us when it means putting our best centre half at the other end of the pitch?

[Silencio]

yeah but for the one way in which he may be better, he`s a lot worse in another way i.e. pace, movement, TEAM WORK!

beattie will NEVER do what roberts did against pompey this season and win a game on his own through lung busting effort. he wants everything put on a plate for him and then he`ll turn to the fans and lap up the glory.

Your probably right which emphasises how sad it is that we sold RSC in the summer and are now trying to replace crap with crap.

I don't rate Beattie and he is nothing like Sheringham in style or class.

[saxo1man30]

And how does Samba up front improve us when it means putting our best centre half at the other end of the pitch?

i don`t mean do it literally bruce, i just mean i think he`d make a better fist if it and that`s saying something considering he`s a centrehalf!

[bluebruce]

when our 30 somethings get too old we simply let their contracts run out and then do what many clubs do now and join the scramble for bosman signings from europe.

That just isn't a good long-term or probably even medium-term strategy. Any strikers that are any better, or less of a gamble, than the likes of Beckford, and available on frees are likely to be either old also (leaving us with the same dilemma and desperate scramble EVERY year) or too in-demand for us to attract. We have to be signing twenty-somethings, even if they represent an element of risk. They also often take smaller wages than thirty-somethings, who tend to be at their peak and well-used to a very healthy wage. Besides, our financial situation seems to get worse each season, despite repeated big sales, so if our big sales dry up, I can only conclude we will end up going down. Re-sale value all the way.

[bluebruce]

I think Sam has a plan here. He clearly sees Kalinic and possibly Di Santo/Hoilett as the future. It makes sense to have back up like McCarthy/Roberts or Beattie/Eidur as they develop as we can't rely on them until we can see how good, or otherwise, they are. A mix of youth and experience, if you like.

There is some sense in having a bit of older experience in the squad. But ageing players, in just one position- up front? Where we only play two players at a time anyway? And on big wages? So either both play, and the youth never gets a chance, or one wastes away a huge wage on our bench. Personally, if we sold Roberts and McCarthy, I'd probably be looking to pool the money (probably not all of it though, so we can try for another forward in the summer) for both into one forward in his mid or early twenties (and no, I don't know exactly who), and look to loan another more experienced forward from somewhere. Better one long-term striker with potential re-sale value and one six months or so striker than two strikers who eat up much more wages and need replacing again in a year.

[Steve Moss]

Where's the loyalty in that then?

End of the day, money talks, right or wrong?

No, that is incorrect.

The Rovers are privately owned. The Walker Trust makes decisions, I assume, which are in its financial interests. Should the Trust be "loyal" to its players and pay them more than their worth? Should the Trust show loyalty and extend contracts of players who are past their bests and not able to keep the Rovers safe from relegation? Or should the Trust squeeze every penny it can, including from the players' payroll, in an effort to bring more talent into the squad and better ensure EPL survival?

I think the answer is obvious.

If the Trust/Rovers are making decisions which are in their financial best interests, why should we condemn players who make decisions in their financial best interests? If the Rovers/Trust does not pay fair value, they are being disloyal to the player. Why would we expect a player to stay 'loyal' to a club when that club won't pay the going rate?

Loyalty plays a role. It plays a role between player and club, when the player elects to stay because all other things being equal, he prefers to be a Rover. It does not play a role when one side to a transaction is attempting to take financial advantage of the other.

[Steve Moss]

Sam is being blocked from signing Camel Meriem because he's not home grown.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Allardyce-rows-with-Blackburn-over-free-agent-Meriem-article280787.html

[Iceman]

Sam is being blocked from signing Camel Meriem because he's not home grown.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Allardyce-rows-with-Blackburn-over-free-agent-Meriem-article280787.html

If that is the case, then i dont see why Sam has to bother looking to bring in any new players. Imo, Meriem could be brought in until the end of the season, and then the squad could be looked at again. In fact, its stupid because Sam could let Diouf and Pedersen go and bring Meriem in. The home grown rule states, that in a squad of 25, there should be about what 7 players of the age of 21, or have trained with in the UK for 3 years. The rest of the squad could have foreign players in. I think thats how it is, or am i wrong?

[alexanders]

Sam is being blocked from signing Camel Meriem because he's not home grown.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Allardyce-rows-with-Blackburn-over-free-agent-Meriem-article280787.html

means beattie will be on his way.

what would people think if got Beattie on loan?

[Wing Wizard Windy Miller]

Perhaps I'm missing something here. We seem to be wanting a forward that gives 110% week in, week out, with good resale and bang in some goals. Surely Di Santo reamins a far better option than Beattie or Gudjonsen. He certainly meets 2 of the criteria and will only get better. Technically he is as good as Santa Cruz (and remember his goal scoring record in his early twenties). IMO any funds from Roberts/Benni should be used to secure Di Santo permanently.

[Daremz]

Haven't read anything around here about Andwele Slory from Feyenoord Rotterdam....this wednesday, I've read in one of Hollands big magazines that he's on the verge of a move to Rovers... Friend of mine who's a journalist and Feyenoord-watcher, told me he heard the deal was as good as finished.

Would be a good addition, that guy is at least as pacey as Hoilett, but I'm not sure about his physique...

[Hughesy]

Haven't read anything around here about Andwele Slory from Feyenoord Rotterdam....this wednesday, I've read in one of Hollands big magazines that he's on the verge of a move to Rovers... Friend of mine who's a journalist and Feyenoord-watcher, told me he heard the deal was as good as finished.

Would be a good addition, that guy is at least as pacey as Hoilett, but I'm not sure about his physique...

It was discussed on here a couple of days ago now....

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