[Archived] Blackburn Families Tax Credits 2007

[JAL]

Blackburn has topped the North West regional tax credit league with 14,800 (25.5%) families receiving tax credits.

There are in total 4,713,400 families nationwide claiming tax credit which averages out at £3,201 per year.Blackburn s average per family is slightly higher at £4,431 per in work families claiming.

GMB regional secretary Paul MaCarthy says ''In an ideal world these benefits would not be needed'' he goes on to say ''but one in five families need over £3000 to top up their meagre pay packets to properly support their children'' maybe this is were Philipl gets his, quality of life has never been so good from.

Kate Green, chief executive of the Child Poverty Action Group also defends tax credits she says,

''Tax credits are ESSENTIAL to family security. We should be taking families away from tax credits by making sure employers pay fair wages, not taking tax credits away from families when they are essential''.

Hope your reading this AL.

Bolton suprisingly for me has a 21.7% of the population claiming tax credits, which totals 24,900 families, a staggering amount, no wonder Bolton and Rovers have got together to reduce ticket prices for the forth coming premiership game.

It just goes to show the widening gap in this country between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.

[thenodrog]

It just goes to show the widening gap in this country between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.

Indeed. The have nots breed most of the time whilst the have's can't afford to.

[JAL]

Indeed. The have nots breed most of the time whilst the have's can't afford to.

That show selfishness in its entirity Theno, does it not, the root of the problem.

[Stuart]

Indeed. The have nots breed most of the time whilst the have's can't afford to.

The have nots are encouraged, no, paid to breed.

The haves are compelled not to by having to go to work rather than stay at home and raise families.

[JAL]

Guys, guys, guys, fully appreciate your comments but we are moving away from the fact that these people are poorly paid.

[stuwilky]

The have nots are encouraged, no, paid to breed.

Having received tax credits, and having had children, I can assure that the children were not worth it on a financial footing.

But hey, I was paid to breed.......

[thenodrog]

That show selfishness in its entirity Theno, does it not, the root of the problem.

Selfishness? No. Why?

The root of the problem that we are piling up for the future good of the country is in rewarding less 'capable' citizens to breed earlier and in greater numbers than those who bring rather more to the party.

Sure it's awful for couples with children to fall on hard times through no fault of their own e.g. redundancy, illness etc and I'm sure no one begrudges them financial support but as a young man if I had been out of work and living off state hand outs I would never have contemplated irresponsibly starting a family for somebody else to fund. I prefer to think that I have too much pride.

[JAL]

Selfishness? No. Why?

The root of the problem that we are piling up for the future good of the country is in rewarding less 'capable' citizens to breed earlier and in greater numbers than those who bring rather more to the party.

Sure it's awful for couples with children to fall on hard times through no fault of their own e.g. redundancy, illness etc and I'm sure no one begrudges them financial support but as a young man if I had been out of work and living off state hand outs I would never have contemplated irresponsibly starting a family for somebody else to fund. I prefer to think that I have too much pride.

Come on theno, have a rethink !

Selfishness thats what its about think about it !

I give thee less, so that I may have more to spend on myself.

[stuwilky]

Sure it's awful for couples with children to fall on hard times through no fault of their own e.g. redundancy, illness etc and I'm sure no one begrudges them financial support but as a young man if I had been out of work and living off state hand outs I would never have contemplated irresponsibly starting a family for somebody else to fund. I prefer to think that I have too much pride.

Would a young man out of work receive tax credits drog?

[JAL]

Just to add another statistic for Blackburn, the number of pupils taking free school meals in primary and nursery schools only, was - 2,709 which equates to 21.1% known to be eligible for free school meals.

In the north west Blackburn was in 9th position percentage wise in order

1.Manchester

2.Salford,

3.Liverpool,

4.Halton,

5.Knowsley,

6.Blackpool,

7.Wirral,

8.Rochdale.

[wilyrover]

If 14,800 families is around a quarter of Blackburn's population, then how big is the population? And how big is the average family? No doubt there are thousands of single people living in the borough too - some claiming tax credits too. I always shudder when I see statistics. As the saying goes: Lies, damned lies and statistics.

[Stuart]

Having received tax credits, and having had children, I can assure that the children were not worth it on a financial footing.

But hey, I was paid to breed.......

You know very well what Theno and I were referring to.

[JAL]

If 14,800 families is around a quarter of Blackburn's population, then how big is the population? And how big is the average family? No doubt there are thousands of single people living in the borough too - some claiming tax credits too. I always shudder when I see statistics. As the saying goes: Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Thats families with children on low pay, not families on or above the recognised national income level or couples with no children or gay couples, old couples etc.etc.etc.,

Population of Blackburn was around 106,000 inhabitants, dont know if that has changed much recently.

[stuwilky]

You know very well what Theno and I were referring to.

Something unrelated to tax credits?

[Stuart]

Something unrelated to tax credits?

Not unrelated. But in hindsight probably tenuously!

I'll keep an eye out for you going off topic in future Stu, so I can pounce.

[stuwilky]

Not unrelated. But in hindsight probably tenuously!

I'll keep an eye out for you going off topic in future Stu, so I can pounce.

You wont have long to wait Im sure

[ABBEY]

AND AS FOR THE C S what does that mean? A!!!

[Al]

JAL never stops talking through his arse and my tax bill increases every time these people have another child to increase their beer money.

[Paul]

Blackburn has topped the North West regional tax credit league with 14,800 (25.5%) families receiving tax credits.

There are in total 4,713,400 families nationwide claiming tax credit which averages out at £3,201 per year.Blackburn s average per family is slightly higher at £4,431 per in work families claiming.

GMB regional secretary Paul MaCarthy says ''In an ideal world these benefits would not be needed'' he goes on to say ''but one in five families need over £3000 to top up their meagre pay packets to properly support their children'' maybe this is were Philipl gets his, quality of life has never been so good from.

Kate Green, chief executive of the Child Poverty Action Group also defends tax credits she says,

''Tax credits are ESSENTIAL to family security. We should be taking families away from tax credits by making sure employers pay fair wages, not taking tax credits away from families when they are essential''.

Hope your reading this AL.

Bolton suprisingly for me has a 21.7% of the population claiming tax credits, which totals 24,900 families, a staggering amount, no wonder Bolton and Rovers have got together to reduce ticket prices for the forth coming premiership game.

It just goes to show the widening gap in this country between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.

Only just read this thread and I'm wondering if people are getting a little confused. All families with children are entitled to apply for Tax Credits, it's what used to be called Child Benefit and has been around for decades - even thenodrog's Mum will have had one of those little green and white books and gone to the post office every Tuesday My family, and I'd guess every family represented on here, have benefiited from Tax Credits for our children and I wouldn't describe us as poor or needy. The household income point at which one is not entitled to receive these Tax Credits is somewhere around £58-60,000

I think JAL has probably missed the main point and should be discussing Working Tax Credits. I don't fully understand this but do know the intention is to help lower income households above and beyond anything to do with the Tax Credit all families apply for. Two different subjects I think you'll find.

[Rover95]

Only just read this thread and I'm wondering if people are getting a little confused. All families with children are entitled to apply for Tax Credits, it's what used to be called Child Benefit and has been around for decades - even thenodrog's Mum will have had one of those little green and white books and gone to the post office every Tuesday My family, and I'd guess every family represented on here, have benefiited from Tax Credits for our children and I wouldn't describe us as poor or needy. The household income point at which one is not entitled to receive these Tax Credits is somewhere around £58-60,000

I think JAL has probably missed the main point and should be discussing Working Tax Credits. I don't fully understand this but do know the intention is to help lower income households above and beyond anything to do with the Tax Credit all families apply for. Two different subjects I think you'll find.

Child Benefit still exists. Approx £120 every 4 weeks for 2 children. Everyone is entitled to claim for that regardless of income.

Child Tax credit is something seperate and intended to help lower income families/single parents to pay for childcare fees. This is income related and you are right with the figures you quote, I think you get approx £10 per week if you earn the upper amount.

I agree - Working Tax credits should be the subject. They are designed to help low income households regardless of whether they have children. But let's make one thing clear - these people must be employed for more than 16 hours a week in order to claim.

[Paul]

Rover95, yes now you say it I know you're right. We get two different amounts credited to our bacnk account. One is Child Benefit and the other is Tax Credit.

[JAL]

Only just read this thread and I'm wondering if people are getting a little confused. All families with children are entitled to apply for Tax Credits, it's what used to be called Child Benefit and has been around for decades - even thenodrog's Mum will have had one of those little green and white books and gone to the post office every Tuesday My family, and I'd guess every family represented on here, have benefiited from Tax Credits for our children and I wouldn't describe us as poor or needy. The household income point at which one is not entitled to receive these Tax Credits is somewhere around £58-60,000

I think JAL has probably missed the main point and should be discussing Working Tax Credits. I don't fully understand this but do know the intention is to help lower income households above and beyond anything to do with the Tax Credit all families apply for. Two different subjects I think you'll find.

I assumed it was Working tax credits but i've lost the bloody information now so cant deny or confirm which it is. With it averaging 3k per family I'd have thought it would be about income top ups, but then again it did come from a socialist source.

JAL never stops talking through his arse and my tax bill increases every time these people have another child to increase their beer money.

Al, its not just your taxes that keep going up.

[stuwilky]

Only just read this thread and I'm wondering if people are getting a little confused. All families with children are entitled to apply for Tax Credits, it's what used to be called Child Benefit and has been around for decades - even thenodrog's Mum will have had one of those little green and white books and gone to the post office every Tuesday My family, and I'd guess every family represented on here, have benefiited from Tax Credits for our children and I wouldn't describe us as poor or needy. The household income point at which one is not entitled to receive these Tax Credits is somewhere around £58-60,000

I think JAL has probably missed the main point and should be discussing Working Tax Credits. I don't fully understand this but do know the intention is to help lower income households above and beyond anything to do with the Tax Credit all families apply for. Two different subjects I think you'll find.

Tax Credits are paid in addition to Child Benefit, and whilst they are theoretically targetted at lower income families, they are in reality paid until household earnings hit about £60k.....

[JAL]

Tax Credits are paid in addition to Child Benefit, and whilst they are theoretically targetted at lower income families, they are in reality paid until household earnings hit about £60k.....

Is it not the more you earn the less you get.

In Blackburn, families are receiving on average just under £4.5k a year extra.

[thenodrog]

I agree - Working Tax credits should be the subject. They are designed to help low income households regardless of whether they have children. But let's make one thing clear - these people must be employed for more than 16 hours a week in order to claim.

We employed somebody part time who was claiming this and believe me wild horses could not persuade him to work any more hours. That is until his daughter left school and his income dropped, he was horrified when he was denied access to the state nipple and he left us pdq and cleared off to a full time position. Dunno what benefits he got but it was obviously enough to keep him and his wife from working full time.