[Archived] Racist Chanting By "Rovers Supporters"

[RovertheHill]

It's 1 word in 1 song and if people have nothing better to do than complain about it then its a sad state of affairs

It's 1 word in 1 song and if people have nothing better to do than sing about it then its a sad state of affairs. Works both ways but like yours is a totally fatuous argument.

People seem to forget the Dwight Yorke/Birmingham City fuss in the papers and that was only one or two d*ckheads

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Most pointless thread i've ever read. We sing about Burnley/Manchester/The South in a deragatory way, this is no different, yet you dont get people going wild about that claiming Rovers fans are a bunch of idiots etc, the people who are singing it mean it in the exact same way when they sing about Burnley, they probably have friends from there etc, like they probabaly also have asian friends, get over it, the only way it will be made a big deal by the media and the club is if we keep going on about it over the top like we are doing now. It's 1 word in 1 song and if people have nothing better to do than complain about it then its a sad state of affairs

Your ignorance is a sad state of affairs. You clearly do not understand just how offensive and insulting racism is, not just to ethnic minorities but to people from any racial background. Its not just a different form of friendly insult. Im not going to lecture you about the origins of racist behaviour because I doubt it'll have any effect. Read a few books, watch a few documentaries and perhaps you'll understand.

'Just 1 word in 1 song'. Frightening. God I hope that people who come out with this crap dont bother voting.

[bubblerrovers]

I'm stunned some people don't realise that racist chanting is unacceptable at football matches. Comparing them to singing songs about the mancs or southerners is very naive, Where do you draw the line?

The press dislike Rovers already and they don't need more mud too throw at us. If you’re really a rovers fan surely you have to be able to see the bigger picture, the amount of times I’ve read on here that more Asians should be coming to Ewood and then you get people defending racist chanting.

[Ricky]

It's worrying that the main person promoting the singing section in the darwen end has that view. Not a great start abbzy.

[rigger]

Your ignorance is a sad state of affairs. You clearly do not understand just how offensive and insulting racism is, not just to ethnic minorities but to people from any racial background. Its not just a different form of friendly insult. Im not going to lecture you about the origins of racist behaviour because I doubt it'll have any effect. Read a few books, watch a few documentaries and perhaps you'll understand.

'Just 1 word in 1 song'. Frightening. God I hope that people who come out with this crap dont bother voting.

[rigger]

I spent most of my youth in the british forces with people from not very far away trying to kill me, never mind the cr4p I used to get spat at me every day. So do not patronise me about what you think, everybody is allowed to go to football matches. if you don't agree with everyones thought's fine, but do not always presume your thoughts are everyones.

[colin]

What Roverthehill; Magicalmortensleftpeg; Bubblerovers & Ricky said

Stop being delibetely ignorant Abbzy. It does you no credit.

[Ewood Spark]

total nonsense, this messageboard has become a talking shop for liberal oneupmanship. I havent heard such utopian, everything in the garden is rosy claptrap since I was at university surrounded by middle class twits from the Home Counties who has no idea of how immigration affects society.

AESF and drog put together well thought out posts not just reactionary replies like 'stop stop your a bigot' I'm sorry you may not like to hear this but those from the naughty, nasty right wing of the political spectrum are not all racist homophobes.

Get away from your keyboard and if you are in Blackburn take a look around the town, it has completely transformed in 40 years, this change had occured with no public mandate. Yet, if anyone remotely deviates from the accepted consensus that a 'multicultural society is a great benefit to Britain' line than the overused and lazy 'racist' tag is used.

A 30 second Potted History of Blackburn

1) A Small settlement grows on the Manchester to Ribchester Roman Road at the point it crosses the River Blakewater. (NB No public mandate for this recorded)

2) Persecuted Huguenots and Flemish weavers settle in the town from European mainland and utilize damp climate (threads don't snap as easily) to begin hand production of textiles. (NB No public mandate for this recorded)

3) Decision taken to route Leeds-Liverpool canal via Blackburn rather than Ribble Valley/Clitheroe. One remains market town, the other becomes a world center for textile production. Population booms and mills proliferate. (NB No public mandate for this recorded)

4) Cheaper foreign imports require mill owners to slash production costs. Locals are not prepared to work for the wages on offer ... mill owners turn to the former British colonies for cheap labour. Only postpones the inevitable. (NB No public mandate for this recorded)

5) Town has to try and reinvent itself ... unfortunately concentrates on manufacturing. (NB No public mandate for this recorded)

So at what point do you think the city fathers could/should have sought a public mandate?

[thenodrog]

What Roverthehill; Magicalmortensleftpeg; Bubblerovers & Ricky said

Stop being delibetely ignorant Abbzy. It does you no credit.

Surely you must realise that he's only playing Devils advocate Colin?

Rem what goes around comes around..

[thenodrog]

nm

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

I spent most of my youth in the british forces with people from not very far away trying to kill me, never mind the cr4p I used to get spat at me every day. So do not patronise me about what you think, everybody is allowed to go to football matches. if you don't agree with everyones thought's fine, but do not always presume your thoughts are everyones.

Im assuming that is directed at me. Again you have missed the point somewhat.

You are allowed to go to a football match. I am allowed to go to a football match. And even a racist is allowed to go to a football match. BUT NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO SING RACIST CHANTS.

Iam in no way trying to patronise you by telling you that my opinions are somehow more legitimate than yours but at the same time i feel that its wrong not to feel shocked and disgusted at how so many people have stuck up for such vile behaviour, and i also feel that i should articulate those feelings. I cant believe that people can view those opinions as being particularly controversial.

If you disagree and feel that those who sing these racist chants should be forgiven or ignored or encouraged or whatever, then fine, i quite frankly cannot be bothered to argue any more. But if you're so insulted by my opinions on the matter then just spare a thought to the next asian family at the next Rovers game who has to sit whilst that chant is sung.

[FourLaneBlue]

I'm not condoning anything. One can never defend the indefensible but I'm merely pointing out that the white trash on the BBurn end who sing these songs are having resentment handed to em on a plate. A £5 taxi ride rising to £10 cos it's Christmas is a big issue for many people. Point being that Christmas is just another day and another dollar for muslims. They should really be happy with the increased business without taking the mickey.

To be fair...Christmas means as much to most Muslims as it does to most indigenous British folk these days. If you are not a praticing Christian (and ignoring the fact that it was originally a Pagan festival) then it is just an excuse for stuffing yourself silly and going on the Revidge Run*. It is no longer a religious festival for the vast majority. They celebrate it in places like China. Japan and India these days.

*If there are enough pubs to do the Revidge Run these days that is...

[Nafe_rovers]

To be fair...Christmas means as much to most Muslims as it does to most indigenous British folk these days. If you are not a praticing Christian (and ignoring the fact that it was originally a Pagan festival) then it is just an excuse for stuffing yourself silly and going on the Revidge Run*. It is no longer a religious festival for the vast majority. They celebrate it in places like China. Japan and India these days.

*If there are enough pubs to do the Revidge Run these days that is...

what a load of rubbish, we understand what Christmas is about and what it celebrates and most westerners partake in christmas. I'll assume that you do not go to church and somewhat ignorant to the fact that alot of people do go to church during Xmas.

I do however agree with you that people use it for presents, but i also believe that Christmas has become a time for family, however i think you are over exagerating your point!

[OhmiBRFC]

actually anyone suspected of singing the song was arrested. a friend of mine was arrested for it mid way through the first half (though i will say he sang the song minus the last line as he is completely anti racist) and said people are facing a lifetime ban from ewood.

Wrong Darren, I sang none of the song as I hate the song and racism.

If that really is the case, that is harsh, very harsh.

Yes it is not something that should be heard at a football match, but life bans? a lot of these lads are in their teens/early 20s, they just need a fright and they will soon knock the stupidity on the head, 6 month/12 month bans and a severe dressing down I would certainly agree with but life???

Think some persepctive is needed.

I'm in court on the 14th, hopefully I have a strong case. There's no evidence, just some over zealous steward. I've complained about racist chanting on this forum before - so I'm clearly not a racist. I'll get a 3 year ban, lifetime at Ewood and a 'Racist and Indecent Chanting' chart on my CRB (which would prevent me from going into Social Work or teaching, I wouldn't be so stupid to sing that song). If I fail at Magistrates, I'll appeal and take my case to Crown. If anybody was sat on Row R in block one, or there abouts - I'd be grateful if you could PM for a chat.

As I stated earlier in this thread at least 2 people complained to the club about the chant at Hull (I was one of them) and I was promised by Tom Finn that the club would take it very seriously. Clearly they have been true to their word. Given that it's illegal it's difficult to see that they would do any different. I'm delighted that the club sent their won stewards to Wigan to identify and take action against fans.

It would take a lot to stop me supporting Rovers and I'm certainly nowhere near stopping on the grounds of a few poor performances like some on here. But if that chant was allowed to continue for any length of time I would be walking away.

Why? They were useless - if they did their job properly it would have been good.

[waggy]

does the song go

OWEN COYLE IS A GOD,IS A GOD,IS A GOD.

HE SHAFTS BURNLEY

[Ricky]

Ohmi, so even your mate is on here saying you were singing it minus the last line, yet you claim to have not sang that sone at all...

[LeChuck]

A £5 taxi ride rising to £10 cos it's Christmas is a big issue for many people.

Maybe it is...BUT IT'S NOT JUST ASIAN TAXI DRIVERS WHO DO THAT.

I told you this already, for some reason you chose to ignore it.

[braddock]

I spent most of my youth in the british forces with people from not very far away trying to kill me, never mind the cr4p I used to get spat at me every day. So do not patronise me about what you think, everybody is allowed to go to football matches. if you don't agree with everyones thought's fine, but do not always presume your thoughts are everyones.

what on earth are you talking about? of course anybody is allowed to go. it's just you aren't allowed to sing racist songs. is that so hard to understand? i couldn't care less if you got spat at, you chose the job.

[OhmiBRFC]

Ohmi, so even your mate is on here saying you were singing it minus the last line, yet you claim to have not sang that sone at all...

He was sat at one end of us, I was at the far end - out of seven people. He couldn't possibly know. Although, I wasn't singing it, and I wouldn't. Irrespective though - my charge is for allegedly saying the word 'Paki' twice. Which is a load of crap. The steward who accused me of it needs sacking for being inept and not doing his job properly. When the Police rang my dad to tell him I was in the station; he thought it was a wind up from my mates. That's how far it is from the truth.

[AggyBlue]

it's just you aren't allowed to sing racist songs. is that so hard to understand?

It's a very grey area. Not everyones interpretation of racism and being a racist are the same.

[FourLaneBlue]

what a load of rubbish, we understand what Christmas is about and what it celebrates and most westerners partake in christmas. I'll assume that you do not go to church and somewhat ignorant to the fact that alot of people do go to church during Xmas.

To assume is to make an ASS of U and ME.

Furthermore, what in my post is related to myself or my beliefs? You should really keep your unwanted and not particularly well thought-out assumptions about me or my beliefs to yourself. It was merely an observation of societal habits these days. I don't go around judging other people from a couple of sentences on a messageboard that says nothing about them. It's not very Christian-like behaviour...

Anyway...my point was that for many Brits Christmas is now at heart a family holiday rather than an especially Spiritual one. Nowhere near the numbers go to Church that did even back when I was growing up in the 80s. I have also lived and now live in countries that have a far higher percentage of people that go to church than the UK does. British muslims who were born in the UK or brought up in Britain celebrate it as a family holiday as well. Much the same way Brits do who never go to Church or believe in religion.

Should a non-reigious white Brit who would do nothing otherwise but visit friends or relax at home expect to be paid time and a half over Christmas but a Brit of Asian descent who would do the same not expect that time and a half?

If we accept that it has been turned into a family holiday for many (and it obviously for very many people now) rather than a Christian holiday then surely everyone should expect time and a half?

By the way...just to let you know...yes, I went to Church this Christmas.

[braddock]

It's a very grey area. Not everyones interpretation of racism and being a racist are the same.

but the club believes that this behaviour is unacceptable and people have been warned. even if you disagree, this is just the way it goes. there are plenty of things i don't agree should be censored, but they are and i respect those rules, simply because some people are offended by them. general swearing for example (not related to racism). it is only language and it baffles me that people can really be that offended by it (i'm talking the 'f' word used out of context of its original meaning, or the 's' word as an adjective, or calling someone a w&nker. i'm not talking about descriptive words for genitals or anything, as i can see why people wouldn't want to hear those words whilst traveling on the bus with their children). people are offended by it though, and that is the reason i don't walk around swearing all the time in front of people who may not like that. it's a tiny compromise but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. people don't have to sing the songs that are being sung. it is hardly a massive infringement on them.

[Nafe_rovers]

To assume is to make an ASS of U and ME.

Furthermore, what in my post is related to myself or my beliefs? You should really keep your unwanted and not particularly well thought-out assumptions about me or my beliefs to yourself. It was merely an observation of societal habits these days. I don't go around judging other people from a couple of sentences on a messageboard that says nothing about them. It's not very Christian-like behaviour...

Anyway...my point was that for many Brits Christmas is now at heart a family holiday rather than an especially Spiritual one. Nowhere near the numbers go to Church that did even back when I was growing up in the 80s. I have also lived and now live in countries that have a far higher percentage of people that go to church than the UK does. British muslims who were born in the UK or brought up in Britain celebrate it as a family holiday as well. Much the same way Brits do who never go to Church or believe in religion.

Should a non-reigious white Brit who would do nothing otherwise but visit friends or relax at home expect to be paid time and a half over Christmas but a Brit of Asian descent who would do the same not expect that time and a half?

If we accept that it has been turned into a family holiday for many (and it obviously for very many people now) rather than a Christian holiday then surely everyone should expect time and a half?

By the way...just to let you know...yes, I went to Church this Christmas.

Muslims do not celebrate xmas, so of course they are going to use it as family time. It is forbidden that they celebrate anything outside of Muslim tradition.

I personally think you under estimate the amount of people that go to church during Xmas, i know that this year individuals attending was up 9% on last year, so i think that your opinion is slighty-wrong. There is however no doubting that less people do attend but you must understand that our country has changed dramatically over he last 20 years or so, and i'm almost certain muslim countries or Islamic countries will follow suit once Western influence or Asain influence is allowed.

[PAFELL]

what a load of rubbish, we understand what Christmas is about and what it celebrates and most westerners partake in christmas. I'll assume that you do not go to church and somewhat ignorant to the fact that alot of people do go to church during Xmas.

I do however agree with you that people use it for presents, but i also believe that Christmas has become a time for family, however i think you are over exagerating your point!

You are correct about people attending Church during christmas - though to be honest these days some of those people ONLY attend church during christmas. I am a member of a church, and have often had conversations with people who say it is the only time that they come.

[stuwilky]

i know that this year individuals attending was up 9% on last year,

So makes up for most of the 11% drop last Christmas then.