[Archived] Villa Semi Final Match Preview

[Brfcrule1]

hi all,

just thought I would mention I heard somewhere after their carling cup semi final was postponed for tonight that our game with City on Monday night was also postponed I am sorry I have no link I heard it somewhere think it was either sky news or SSN could someone please clarify

thanks.

[cn174]

Lighten up a bit! I know they get paid outraeously for a hobby, but being a pro footballer (going on the experiences of a few mates who are at SEMI-pro level) must be bloody exhausting! My mates (and they are well suited to the game in terms of fitness, strength etc) come home from games exhausted.

Lol, must be different from the semi-pro footballer I know then

Exhausted, seriously!!

btw about Christmas, we had one game less than normal anyway.

[ABBEY]

If turnstyles are still shagged it could well be i would of thought? not been on here so if its been said oops .

[cn174]

hi all,

just thought I would mention I heard somewhere after their carling cup semi final was postponed for tonight that our game with City on Monday night was also postponed I am sorry I have no link I heard it somewhere think it was either sky news or SSN could someone please clarify

thanks.

No, the City game remains on Monday. We play Villa next Thursday the 14th, and we now play Fulham on Sunday the 17th.

[martonrover]

hi all,

just thought I would mention I heard somewhere after their carling cup semi final was postponed for tonight that our game with City on Monday night was also postponed I am sorry I have no link I heard it somewhere think it was either sky news or SSN could someone please clarify

thanks.

The game is on Monday night as scheduled at present,(and is the reason for the Carling semi being re-arranged for a Thursday).

Who knows what will happen with regards to the weather nearer the time.

[broadsword]

Lol, must be different from the semi-pro footballer I know then

Exhausted, seriously!!

It's all in the head.

With the involvement of sports scientists, recovery and restoration is taken seriously after a game.

If they were really that shattered after a game they'd be carted off on stretchers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nonsense.

[mellison24]

So every time someone comes in from work mentally or physically knackered, do people on this board tell them to 'give over' etc? They do just as much work as we do. The difference being that they are fully provided for after a week or 2's work, where the normal person must do a full year. I think people slag off footballers FAR too readily.

[ABBEY]

So every time someone comes in from work mentally or physically knackered, do people on this board tell them to 'give over' etc? They do just as much work as we do. The difference being that they are fully provided for after a week or 2's work, where the normal person must do a full year. I think people slag off footballers FAR too readily.

when i come home from work tired ,i go to the gym and goto work again the day after sometimes 7 days a week ffs!

tell you what get any footballer and in the world (pro) and i bet they dont do half the the work joe bloggs does...in for 10 home for 1.30 yes its a hard life training and keeping fit.

[mellison24]

when i come home from work tired ,i go to the gym and goto work again the day after sometimes 7 days a week ffs!

tell you what get any footballer and in the world (pro) and i bet they dont do half the the work joe bloggs does...in for 10 home for 1.30 yes its a hard life training and keeping fit.

I think it is evened out somewhat by doing much more intyense physical workouts? And is it not mentally tougher having you every move scrutinised by many people? Is it not harder to work n our weaknesses all the time? Rather than sticking to your strengths like in the average job? I'm not aiming to change your opinion cos it wont happen. I just think footballers do have a legitimate case when they get physically and mentally drained very quickly. Especially in the fastest, strongest, hardest league in the world. And even more so when we have a small squad, so tend to rely on the same players to play more often than others.

[ABBEY]

have you been on frozon shroooms or what?

[mellison24]

have you been on frozon shroooms or what?

No need for childish insults Abigail. Judging by your spelling, I think YOU are on them, though Me and thee merely have a difference of opinion, do we not? So why the insult?

[ABBEY]

not an insult just a bit of crack ....whooosh.

[mellison24]

;P Over your own head?

[broadsword]

So every time someone comes in from work mentally or physically knackered, do people on this board tell them to 'give over' etc? They do just as much work as we do. The difference being that they are fully provided for after a week or 2's work, where the normal person must do a full year. I think people slag off footballers FAR too readily.

Bit of a blase remark, "do just as much work as we do". How many hours a week does the average prem footballer do? it always used to be that footballers only had morning training then had the rest of the day off.

They have state of the art sports science behind them. Everything they could possibly need is provided for them. All they have to do is train and play.

If they feel too tired, I can only say that this is purely in the head.

Without coming over all "6 Yorkshiremen", how would they have coped 50 years ago with working down a coal mine? If they didn't get the job done properly would they have complained of tiredness. "Sorry boss, don't really feel up to it today".

They have very cushty lives, everything is sorted out for them, not that much is asked in return for their grotesque salaries and pampered existences. I don't want to hear any more of this tiredness nonsense. you'd have to be a total pussy to complain of that.

[mellison24]

Bit of a blase remark, "do just as much work as we do". How many hours a week does the average prem footballer do? it always used to be that footballers only had morning training then had the rest of the day off.

They have state of the art sports science behind them. Everything they could possibly need is provided for them. All they have to do is train and play.

If they feel too tired, I can only say that this is purely in the head.

Without coming over all "6 Yorkshiremen", how would they have coped 50 years ago with working down a coal mine? If they didn't get the job done properly would they have complained of tiredness. "Sorry boss, don't really feel up to it today".

They have very cushty lives, everything is sorted out for them, not that much is asked in return for their grotesque salaries and pampered existences. I don't want to hear any more of this tiredness nonsense. you'd have to be a total pussy to complain of that.

I did mean more mental exhaustion originally (must learn to be more clear). But does it not even out, when they do about half the work we do, but it's more physically intense? yes they do have all the coaches and whatnot, but that doesn;t mean it isn't hard work.

[den]

Can't imagine why Ferguson, Capello, Wenger, Benitez, Rednapp, Hughes and now Allardyce use a rotation system then.

Maybe they know nothing about footballers and fitness.

[mellison24]

While I agree with you on this one Den, DOES Capello use rotation? I thought he picked his fittest 11 every game? Not having a dig, just enquiring.

[den]

While I agree with you on this one Den, DOES Capello use rotation? I thought he picked his fittest 11 every game? Not having a dig, just enquiring.

TBH, I don't know

Bet he does though.

[broadsword]

Rotates his choice of tie?

Squad rotation in an en vogue thing. You can bet that Ferguson et al want their best players out for the important games. Maybe it is a mental thing. But as far as I can see there's no justification for saying they're physically exhausted.

[S15]

I think it is evened out somewhat by doing much more intyense physical workouts? And is it not mentally tougher having you every move scrutinised by many people? Is it not harder to work n our weaknesses all the time? Rather than sticking to your strengths like in the average job? I'm not aiming to change your opinion cos it wont happen. I just think footballers do have a legitimate case when they get physically and mentally drained very quickly. Especially in the fastest, strongest, hardest league in the world. And even more so when we have a small squad, so tend to rely on the same players to play more often than others.

That's up there in your all time most ridiculous posts. You never cease to amaze me. Have you ever studied/worked on something for 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week? Your argument is as pathetic as the players involved, no mental desire to overcome the first signs of tiredness.

And it's not often I'd say this, but that is a FACT.

[mellison24]

That's up there in your all time most ridiculous posts. You never cease to amaze me. Have you ever studied/worked on something for 8-10 hours a day, 7 days a week? Your argument is as pathetic as the players involved, no mental desire to overcome the first signs of tiredness.

And it's not often I'd say this, but that is a FACT.

I have been studying my subject at Uni 8 hours every day (taking only Sundays, Xmas Day and New Years' Day off for a real rest) and it is exhausting. My argument is not pathetic, it is rather more 'a viewpoint with which you (and others) disagree'.

While I can see WHY you disagree, I wouldn't call it a ridiculous argument. It's just a counter-argument. If there was NO media pressure on the players, I would be 100% on your side of the table in terms of effort and workrate, as I was a few weeks ago. But when you factor in the mental side of the game that most jobs outside of sport do NOT have, my argument (while not being watertight, i'll admit) gains a little ground. Mental exhaustion is MUCH worse than physical exhaustion from experience.

You have every right to disagree, obviously. But I don't think it is a 'ridiculous' point to make. Your view is understandable, and indeed, I GENERALLY kind of agreed with it. But a few weeks ago, I started thinking whether it was a viewpoint of the public based on the resentment of footballers' ridiculous wages.

I'm not after the provcative argument which you seek; more a debate.

[Mike Graham]

Can't do the new Villa date, and due to moving Fulham to a Sunday cannot make that also.

I am missing at least 3 Prem League games this season due to date changes.

Waste of time having a season ticket, will buy on a match-by-match basis next season. With the crap being played under Sam I will pick and choose.

[S15]

No, like every damn point you make nowadays to try and relate it to some overly thought deep philosophical/physiological debate to try and satisfy some sort of superiority complex you're storing. Which is, as another member has pointed out, led to you coming across as a 'condescending prick.'

'The media attention on players leads to mental exhaustion?' There's another for the scrapbook. There is only a handful of players who the media care about enough to report on, everyone else is limited to the possibility of creeping up in a match report every Saturday. And those who the media do care about (Terry, Lampard, Beckham etc) only go through a two/three day period of criticism after a poor game for their country.

And your argument gains absolutely NO ground from the fact you say 'mental pressure that jobs outside sport don't have.' Garbage, absolute garbage, and shows how out of touch with the real world you are. A teacher is put under FAR more daily stress than a sportsman. Same with every self employed person in this country, wondering where the next dollar is coming from. Same with Police, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors. All mental and physical stress, worrying/thinking about and dealing with REAL problems. Not worried a newspaper might only give them 6/10 on Saturday if they don't perform. And those with real problems don't have the obscene wages to ensure they can go home and not even have to worry about bills/feeding kids etc etc. So it turns to 24 hour stress in some cases.

The list is endless, the examples are endless, but for you to sit there and suggest that a footballer who trains a couple of hours a day and plays once or twice a week are under more pressure is not only ridiculous, but pretty insulting too.

[joey_big_nose]

And your argument gains absolutely NO ground from the fact you say 'mental pressure that jobs outside sport don't have.' Garbage, absolute garbage, and shows how out of touch with the real world you are. A teacher is put under FAR more daily stress than a sportsman. Same with every self employed person in this country, wondering where the next dollar is coming from. Same with Police, Nurses, Firemen, Doctors. All mental and physical stress, worrying/thinking about and dealing with REAL problems. Not worried a newspaper might only give them 6/10 on Saturday if they don't perform. And those with real problems don't have the obscene wages to ensure they can go home and not even have to worry about bills/feeding kids etc etc. So it turns to 24 hour stress in some cases.

Not sure I completely agree with this. While Nurses etc do far more worthwhile jobs none of them have 20k+ people calling them a c### every week, people routinely asking for them to be sacked, sold, questioning their worth as human beings, judging their every move, whilst being hounded by the media consistently.

The only job that has as much mental pressure put on it as a sportsman, in my mind, is probably being a politician or a top line executive. The issue is not so much what is at stake (clearly the public servants you mention are all involved in more laudable endeavours) but that you have thousands of people actively hating you on a weekly basis, and you know that your actions are routinely, viciouslyly and instantaneously attacked if you make a mistake.

They are well rewarded and I don't feel sorry for them, but to say the pressure is not vast is daft.

[mellison24]

Not sure I completely agree with this. While Nurses etc do far more worthwhile jobs none of them have 20k+ people calling them a c### every week, people routinely asking for them to be sacked, sold, questioning their worth as human beings, judging their every move, whilst being hounded by the media consistently.

The only job that has as much mental pressure put on it as a sportsman, in my mind, is probably being a politician or a top line executive. The issue is not so much what is at stake (clearly the public servants you mention are all involved in more laudable endeavours) but that you have thousands of people actively hating you on a weekly basis, and you know that your actions are routinely, viciouslyly and instantaneously attacked if you make a mistake.

They are well rewarded and I don't feel sorry for them, but to say the pressure is not vast is daft.

This is a compromise I'd be happy to agree with, as it is how I feel about it. All I was trying to do was see if it was the wage factor that made people have no sympathy for footballers.

Shillito, the member who called me a condescending prick was for when I corrected a spelling with a petulant childish insult. You implied it simply because you disagree with me.

I am not out of touch with the real world. My dad was a cop and my mum a solicitor. I know exactly what the pressures are of high-stress jobs.