[Archived] Megson Sacked, Coyle Takes Over

[Majiball]

So why bother putting him on it? Just let him spend a few days with the family whilst they sort out the compo.

[den]

So why bother putting him on it? Just let him spend a few days with the family whilst they sort out the compo.

That's what gardening leave is Maj. Simply staying away from his current employment.

[RevidgeBlue]

Having been so adamant about his desire to leave, they don't want him around the Place.

Otherwise they can't stop him coming in.

[PAFELL]

I think the "hatred" is purely and simply a misomer that has somehow arisen in fairly recent years; most certainly within the last 30 years or so. IMO it has more to do with people's inability to truly understand the meaning of certain words in their own language due to innapropriate usage, or lazy manner of speaking. Hatred is actually a very strong and very serious emotion, and I would not expect ANY normal sane individual to experience this emotion over anything as relatively trivial as a football match. Intense rivalry certainly and there is nothing either wrong or unusual in that; but to confuse this kind of rivalry with hatred is both ridiculous and farcical.

I can honestly say that in my time as a supporter of Football in general and Rovers in particular (now just over 64 years) I cannot remember any reference to "hatred" being used either between Rovers and Burnley fans or between supporters of any of the many other clubs that I have been associated with over these years.

I can't pin-point the exact time when it may have crept in to popular usage, but I guess it may have been in the '70s when all the football violence first erupted, but have no evidence for that; just a feeling.

It may have started in the 70's, but when you consider some of the things that are said even on this message board with regards to Burnley supporters, often by those who were not even born in the 70's, it really comes over as hatred. Even the anti - burnley songs sung by supporters when Rovers are playing other teams and burnley do the same with regards to rovers. How singing these songs helps in the getting behind the team when playing other teams, is beyond me.

They've put him on Gardening leave, seriously? So now he sits at home waiting for his contract to expire?

ROFLMAO, what a farce.

They should change that 'gardenning leave' term to snow clearing at times like this. I take it he has been appointed Boltons manager.

[Fife Rover]

The Guardian are speculating about John Hughes from Hibs and Paolo Sousa from Swansea as Coyle's successor. Whether a new bright eyed Scot would be welcomed by the revolting denizens of t'Turf is a moot point.

Hmmmmmm! John Hughes (usually known as "Yogi" in Scotland) could be a reasonable replacement for Coyle. He has done well in his management of first Falkirk then Hibs. Falkirk's decline is directly traceable to Yogi's departure to Hibs and similarly Hib's recent upturn in fortunes can be traced to his arrival as their manager. Not a bad shout at all!

[RevidgeBlue]

I take it he has been appointed Boltons manager.

Not yet been formally announced but I've seen the Kilby Press conference again and they're talking about Coyle in the past tense. There seems to be no expectation at all it won't happen.

Burnley have also already appointed Steve Davis as caretaker.

[Majiball]

That's what gardening leave is Maj. Simply staying away from his current employment.

I get it, but why make it formal.

[unluckymorton]

Having been so adamant about his desire to leave, they don't want him around the Place.

Otherwise they can't stop him coming in.

Gardening leave consists of being escorted off the premises and not being able to return to the workplace or contact any employees. it will have been written into his contract of employment as it is in mine and many of my colleagues.

Basically the board do not want Coyle involved in the running of the club between now and the time that a decision between the clubs is agreed. it's normal procedure in a majority of management posts.

[T4E]

Burnley have also already appointed Steve Davis as caretaker.

That's interesting.

[CrazyIvan]

That's interesting.

Very funny...

[PAFELL]

Gardening leave consists of being escorted off the premises and not being able to return to the workplace or contact any employees. it will have been written into his contract of employment as it is in mine and many of my colleagues.

Basically the board do not want Coyle involved in the running of the club between now and the time that a decision between the clubs is agreed. it's normal procedure in a majority of management posts.

So if Bolton never agree to Burnley compensation demands - is Coyle is out of a job? Or would he still be paid by Burnley for being on gardenning leave - even though he has asked to go to Bolton. Strange situation if Bolton pulld the plug - Burnley would have to sack a manager, who wants to leave anyway and compensate Coyle. Coyle wins no matter what, either a new job or remain on gardenning leave or sacked and compensated.

[RevidgeBlue]

Hypothetically Burnley would have to pay him as per his contract either until his contract expires or until such time as he finds another job.

Never going to happen in practice - they simply can't afford to do that.

They obviously don't want him creating the wrong atmosphere around the place until his departure to Bolton is formally confirmed.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I assume Bolton are taking advantage of this and offering 1-2 million to be cheeky?

[unluckymorton]

So if Bolton never agree to Burnley compensation demands - is Coyle is out of a job? Or would he still be paid by Burnley for being on gardenning leave - even though he has asked to go to Bolton. Strange situation if Bolton pulld the plug - Burnley would have to sack a manager, who wants to leave anyway and compensate Coyle. Coyle wins no matter what, either a new job or remain on gardenning leave or sacked and compensated.

Coyle will never manage the dingles again. I've never known a case of gardening leave be reversed. To me it's a sign of mistrust as he is not alloed back in his office or to contact members of staff. You'll probably find that coyle is banned from talking to the press too.

If bolton pulled the plug then it would be down to Kilby & co to come to an arrangement with coyle and whichever solicitors are to be involved. in the mean time, Coyle will be on full pay.

Coyle can take it to a tribunal to force the dingles to accept his resignation. Also, I'm sure they will need him off the wage bill one way or another before they appoint a new manager.

I've never seen anybodies post being replaced while the employee is on gardening leave, that would prove that Coyle was surplace to requirements and the club would not be able to stand in his way.

[RevidgeBlue]

Strange situation if Bolton pulld the plug - Burnley would have to sack a manager, who wants to leave anyway and compensate Coyle. ed.

That won't happen either in practice I wouldn't imagine, but it would be hilarious.

A huge legal battle would then ensue between OC and Burnley over whether he was indeed sacked or left of his own volition.

[braddock]

burnley could have got very lucky with the weather.

takes a little pressure off getting somebody in any quicker if games are postponed. the only thing they need to rush for is the transfer window

[unluckymorton]

I assume Bolton are taking advantage of this and offering 1-2 million to be cheeky?

I think thats what the hold up will be. notlob have got the dingles in a corner.

That's what you get with a club run by neanderthols.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Burnley have really screwed themselves on this. If they had demanded that Bolton agree compensation first, like we did with Hughes, they wouldn't be like this. They now have an untenable manager and Bolton can play with them knowing full well they will have to let Coyle go in one way or another.

Thank God we have John Williams!

[unluckymorton]

Burnley have really screwed themselves on this. If they had demanded that Bolton agree compensation first, like we did with Hughes, they wouldn't be like this. They now have an untenable manager and Bolton can play with them knowing full well they will have to let Coyle go in one way or another.

Thank God we have John Williams!

Thats the way, it's simple. A club comes in to ask permission to speak to your manager, you agree a compensation package prior to giving permission. End of story.

If/when the dingles are relegated they can only blame the board. Oh and us for hammering them at Turd morgue.

[Tom]

Nicko is still quite popular over on carrots mad

[Kelbo]

Coyle will never manage the dingles again. I've never known a case of gardening leave be reversed. To me it's a sign of mistrust as he is not alloed back in his office or to contact members of staff. You'll probably find that coyle is banned from talking to the press too.

Of course it doesnt prevent the press being spoken to through a 'friend of the family'

Seen this happen time and time again!!

And yes, thank god for John Williams, great fella, great Chairman and experienced too, this is where you need the nous, JW has it

[American]

Hmm, Buy back ground and training ground and repay Director loanswas £12m last time I looked and Kilby and Flood were certainly getting their money back from the PL cash. I think you have posted the projected state of Burnley finances at the end of this season.

The good news for you is the parachute payment is now £16m per year for two years post-relegation.

The Guardian are speculating about John Hughes from Hibs and Paolo Sousa from Swansea as Coyle's successor. Whether a new bright eyed Scot would be welcomed by the revolting denizens of t'Turf is a moot point.

Watched Sousa's QPR team a couple of times last season.

Please, Burnley, sign the man (though I'll miss the derby matches)!!

[cletus]

Did anybody see Darren Ferguson`s tv interview on 'Northwest Tonight'??? (BBC1)

Talking about his joining Preston, the interviewer asked if he ever consulted his dad on football matters. He said he was his own man, but admitted he did seek advice from his dad. He went on to say he consulted his father about the current management jobs up for grabs. He then accepted the Preston job.

....kinda says a lot about the situation at Bumley.....opting to go to a championship club, rather than waiting to see what Bumley had to offer.

Fergie Snr must know they`re a sinking ship too!!

[philipl]

Eh? I just caught the end of what appeared to be a Press conference with Kilby and Flood confirming OC's departure.

Kilby said player budgets was the main reason for oc leaving and Flood was bragging the Burnley job was not one they'd need to advertise as as soon as it was known Bolton were in for oc they received at least 12 phone calls from interested candidates for their job.

That boast may come back to bite him on the arse depending on the quality of manager they manage to attract.

That's me, the wife and son. Who are the other nine of you rang up Agent Kilby then?

[RevidgeBlue]

That's me, the wife and son. Who are the other nine of you rang up Agent Kilby then?

Oddly they seem to have cut the Flood bit out of subsequent reruns of the Press conference.