[Archived] Megson Sacked, Coyle Takes Over

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Latest rumour on the Burnley site is that the two clubs are miles apart on the subject of compensation. Burnley want all the dosh plus some Bolton players ( one 's a goalkeeper ). Bolton want to pay two bottle tops and an half eaten pork pie. They're so far apart that Bolton may be reconsidering their options. That'd be the best result ever for us , Bolton appoint A.N. Other and Burnley are left with a pariah on permanent gardening leave. Sounds like a bit of brinkmanship to me but in that case am I the only one that thinks Bolton are holding most of the aces ?

[Shabani]

Can Owen Coyle buy out of his contract or anything similar?

[Kelbo]

Latest rumour on the Burnley site is that the two clubs are miles apart on the subject of compensation. Burnley want all the dosh plus some Bolton players ( one 's a goalkeeper ). Bolton want to pay two bottle tops and an half eaten pork pie. They're so far apart that Bolton may be reconsidering their options. That'd be the best result ever for us , Bolton appoint A.N. Other and Burnley are left with a pariah on permanent gardening leave. Sounds like a bit of brinkmanship to me but in that case am I the only one that thinks Bolton are holding most of the aces ?

If Nicko is correct, and with his contact and friend I assume he is, if the contract states £1,000,000 compensation, then thats what it is, the other element here is this,

it appears to have been handled very badly by Burnley and as stated earlier, this figure should have been agreed beforehand.

Secondly, Burnley have to be very careful here, for if £1,000,000 is the figure stated in Coyles contract and they try to hold out for more, if Coyle suffers in any way, compensation will be payable for breech of contract, maybe Bolton would have a case too!!

Oh, and which Bolton players are earning £14k per week

[bobsterbrfc]

Surely the contract does not SPECIFICALLY state £1 million, otherwise BFC have no case. It is surely a bit more ambiguous, hence the differing valuations.

[Kelbo]

Surely the contract does not SPECIFICALLY state £1 million, otherwise BFC have no case. It is surely a bit more ambiguous, hence the differing valuations.

Heresay is difficult, but Nicko has been spot on with all about this so far and his closeness to Coyle suggests he has got it right, maybe there is something there, but, as in all contracts, they are only valid if what is written in them are permissable in English law!!

Hughes contract had a specific figure included in it!!

[RovertheHill]

Hilarious!

Apparently OC is, amongst other things, a "lier" and a "deserterer". Irony or just pig-thick? You decide

[RevidgeBlue]

Surely the contract does not SPECIFICALLY state £1 million, otherwise BFC have no case. It is surely a bit more ambiguous, hence the differing valuations.

If Coyle's contract does indeed have a specific release clause in it, it is difficult to see what any area of dispute could be about.

The only thing I can think of, if there was a clause, is that it didn't provide for Coyle to leave mid season therefore Burnley are now after extra money to compensate.

But in that case you wouldn't have thought they would have granted permission to speak to him in the first place.

[Hughesy]

Burnley have really screwed themselves on this. If they had demanded that Bolton agree compensation first, like we did with Hughes, they wouldn't be like this. They now have an untenable manager and Bolton can play with them knowing full well they will have to let Coyle go in one way or another.

Thank God we have John Williams!

Spot on

If I was Coyle I would quit my job.....then simply take the job at Bolton 'when' offered

[eddiecolne]

Sorry if it's been mentioned before, but the the Radio lancs sports programme at 6pm began: "We have been to Preston, where it's all smiles as new manager D Fergie'son has been unvieled. And we have been to Turf Moor, where Mssrs Kilby & Flood look like someone who has lent their Ferrrari to a 19 year old, and found he has driven it into the canal." Why do Burnley disasters get linked with Ferrari's?

[Hughesy]

Seriously who gives a fook about Burnley??!?!?!?

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I have to admit to "Giving a fook" as do quite a few on here judging by the number of threads and posts. I'm a Rover from Accy of 30 odd years standing so I despise Burnley. Their ascent into The Premier League has been pretty much unbearable and so I'm really enjoying recent events at t'Turd.

[Mattyblue]

Just having a late trawl on Clarrrrots Mad, always good to finish the day with a chuckle.

The King is dead, long live the King!

Dingle poster:

'Sing your hearts out for Mr Kilby on Sat... ...

... He is our TRUE god and deserves a standing ovation on Saturday after dealing with that clown.

A true true BORN claret our fantastic leader and we are lucky to have such a dedicated man as our Chairman

Sing yer hearts out for him on Saturday !!'

Oh dear, the fact he's been led a merry dance by Messers Coyle, Nixon and Gartside obviously does'nt register with our dim witted neighbours!

[philipl]

And that unlike the Walker Trust, the Burnley directors exited their limited but generously supplied cash from BFC as soon as they got the chance- £12m of it by the look of things. In short they never planned to stay in the PL this time. However, with a good manager, BFC will be an excellent bet for bouncing straight back next season and quite possibly staying up next time. Their financial strategy is totally geared towards doing exactly that which is why the toys out of the pram reaction to Coyle moving on is so utterly cynical.

[Hughesy]

When are they going to buy back their own ground back?!

[PAFELL]

And that unlike the Walker Trust, the Burnley directors exited their limited but generously supplied cash from BFC as soon as they got the chance- £12m of it by the look of things. In short they never planned to stay in the PL this time. However, with a good manager, BFC will be an excellent bet for bouncing straight back next season and quite possibly staying up next time. Their financial strategy is totally geared towards doing exactly that which is why the toys out of the pram reaction to Coyle moving on is so utterly cynical.

Could be interesting if Bolton and Burnley never come to an agreement with regards to Coyle. Could be funny if Bolton then came in for Sam, Rovers go for Coyle and Burnley get, Ince + Andrews.

[longsiders1882]

If Nicko is correct, and with his contact and friend I assume he is, if the contract states £1,000,000 compensation, then thats what it is, the other element here is this,

it appears to have been handled very badly by Burnley and as stated earlier, this figure should have been agreed beforehand.

Secondly, Burnley have to be very careful here, for if £1,000,000 is the figure stated in Coyles contract and they try to hold out for more, if Coyle suffers in any way, compensation will be payable for breech of contract, maybe Bolton would have a case too!!

Oh, and which Bolton players are earning £14k per week

Amazing, seems Nicko is now also a legal expert. Based on the current round of rumours (some I dare not put on here for legal reasons) it seems the 'compensation clause' is linked to Salary and duration, or at least Burnley believe it is. In simple terms the suggestion seems to be it is his Salary x Time left on contract. Of course this maybe wrong. My gut tells me that Bolton have more information than they should about our finances (and one rumour if true would certainly give some credence to this) and perhaps felt they could bully us into accepting a lower amount. If that is the case they didn't allow for 'agent kilby' as you call him who will not be bullied. Otherwise it maybe that each club has had different legal opinion on the clause.

In terms of breach of contract I think currently Burnley are more likely to have a case for that than anybody and furthermore it is still unclear that Bolton had permission to approach him at all, other rumours aside of course.

One thing for sure, Kilby will not be bullied and furthermore I get the feeling one or two things about this episode have particularly upset him and I suspect that IF the legal stuff is in his favour Bolton will need to pay exactly what the contract says they have to.

[thenodrog]

Amazing, seems Nicko is now also a legal expert. Based on the current round of rumours (some I dare not put on here for legal reasons) it seems the 'compensation clause' is linked to Salary and duration, or at least Burnley believe it is. In simple terms the suggestion seems to be it is his Salary x Time left on contract. Of course this maybe wrong. My gut tells me that Bolton have more information than they should about our finances (and one rumour if true would certainly give some credence to this) and perhaps felt they could bully us into accepting a lower amount. If that is the case they didn't allow for 'agent kilby' as you call him who will not be bullied. Otherwise it maybe that each club has had different legal opinion on the clause.

In terms of breach of contract I think currently Burnley are more likely to have a case for that than anybody and furthermore it is still unclear that Bolton had permission to approach him at all, other rumours aside of course.

One thing for sure, Kilby will not be bullied and furthermore I get the feeling one or two things about this episode have particularly upset him and I suspect that IF the legal stuff is in his favour Bolton will need to pay exactly what the contract says they have to.

Time will tell Longsider but experience tells me that you should not build your hopes up too much .... and neither should Agent Kilby.

Bolton will doubtless have had their legal eagles sat down with Coyle's agent going through his contract weeks before they potted the Ginger Mourhino. They will have known the cost implications yonks ago and would NOT have left the small matter of 2m quid compo to simple chance.

Anyway who knows... have you considered that Bolton might even have been part of the reason for Coyle's seemingly unfathomable decision to reject Celtic in the summer!

[longsiders1882]

Theno - I'd take the million now to be honest, just to move on.

Lest we forget, Burnley had lawyers drawing up the contract as well, it could easily become a legal battle - it really just depends upon what the contract actually says followed by who blinks first.

One thing in our favour is we always accepted relegation was a strong possibility for us and we have planned accordingly, Bolton haven't and at this point I'm guessing they are more desperate to get their manager in than we are.

[philipl]

Burnley diddled themselves when they gave Coyle permission to talk wityhout a prior agreement on compo. They even had the example of how Rovers handled the Hughes departure and chose to ignore it.

If you don't give permission to talk, ANY information which is contractually privileged must have been gathered through a tap-up and the club losing the manager has a complaint to the PL open and shut case in its hands.

Mind you, Rovers had that clown Cook at City to deal with whereas Gartside at least knows what he is doing.

[unluckymorton]

Amazing, seems Nicko is now also a legal expert. Based on the current round of rumours (some I dare not put on here for legal reasons) it seems the 'compensation clause' is linked to Salary and duration, or at least Burnley believe it is. In simple terms the suggestion seems to be it is his Salary x Time left on contract. Of course this maybe wrong. My gut tells me that Bolton have more information than they should about our finances (and one rumour if true would certainly give some credence to this) and perhaps felt they could bully us into accepting a lower amount. If that is the case they didn't allow for 'agent kilby' as you call him who will not be bullied. Otherwise it maybe that each club has had different legal opinion on the clause.

In terms of breach of contract I think currently Burnley are more likely to have a case for that than anybody and furthermore it is still unclear that Bolton had permission to approach him at all, other rumours aside of course.

One thing for sure, Kilby will not be bullied and furthermore I get the feeling one or two things about this episode have particularly upset him and I suspect that IF the legal stuff is in his favour Bolton will need to pay exactly what the contract says they have to.

Didn't Kilby quote on Sky Sports News last week that he had given Notlob permission to talk to Coyle?

As for the wording of the contract in relation to compensation, wouldn't it be a good idea to draft in the writer of the contract to explain to all parties what actually does stand in this situation?

To be fair all we can go off is what we hear in the media, TV and newspapers will copy and cut quotes to suite them and to make news. I'm sure all will be settled by next Monday.

I like your attitude Longsiders, take the money and get a new manager appointed. The longer Coyle is on gardening leave the more money they are throwing away. Sometimes it's best to cut your losses.

However from a Rovers fan's point of view we'll be happy for it to be dragged out for weeks yet, therefore Notlob and burnley are frozen out of the transfer market! I don't think Coyle will be going back to the turf to sign any players...

[Kelbo]

Amazing, seems Nicko is now also a legal expert. Based on the current round of rumours (some I dare not put on here for legal reasons) it seems the 'compensation clause' is linked to Salary and duration, or at least Burnley believe it is.

I dont for one moment believe Nicko to be a legal expert, I do believe he has been made aware of the contract details as signed and like all future employers, Bolton will have had a copy of Coyles contract to mull over, so somewhere something isnt right, for if Coyle and Boltons legal people believe the figure to be £1,000,000 - well I cant see what the argument would be, unless of course, under English Law, I have known this to happen, Burnley inserted a clause regarding compensation which may not be permissable in Law!

As Coyle has stated, he hasnt earned £1,000,000 at Burnley during the whole of his tenure, so the £3,600,000 seems quite odd! Now, I can perhaps see one grey area, and this is where there could be misunderstandings, Bonuses!! Bonuses cant be classed as salary based on these calculations.

[unluckymorton]

I dont for one moment believe Nicko to be a legal expert, I do believe he has been made aware of the contract details as signed and like all future employers, Bolton will have had a copy of Coyles contract to mull over, so somewhere something isnt right, for if Coyle and Boltons legal people believe the figure to be £1,000,000 - well I cant see what the argument would be, unless of course, under English Law, I have known this to happen, Burnley inserted a clause regarding compensation which may not be permissable in Law!

As Coyle has stated, he hasnt earned £1,000,000 at Burnley during the whole of his tenure, so the £3,600,000 seems quite odd! Now, I can perhaps see one grey area, and this is where there could be misunderstandings, Bonuses!! Bonuses cant be classed as salary based on these calculations.

If what Longsiders metioned earlier is correct, Salary x time left on contract, is true then £3m could be somewhere close to the compensation sum.

The best thing is that Rovers seem to be run far better than both Notlob & the dingles. Hail John Williams.

[modes98]

Any news on a deal being closer nicko? Tired of all this waiting for bookies to pay up.

[longsiders1882]

We shall see soon enough I guess.

You seem determined to believe Bolton must have done this, Coyle that, Nixon the other - does it occur that Burnley maybe also have taken legal advice - at the time the contract was drawn up and since?

Does it also occur that nobody actually has stated what Burnley are asking nor indeed what Bolton are offering? Of course those reliable souls in the media have printed their ideas on this but nothing official from either club - who's to say we are not simply holding out for our million and Bolton don't even think we are entitled to that?

The permission thing is interesting, the suggestion is that Bolton maybe got initial permission from somebody other than the chairman - I can't say whether this is true or not, but that is the story.

All sorts of intrigue it seems.

[nicko]

Any news on a deal being closer nicko? Tired of all this waiting for bookies to pay up.

I leave that to the experts.

If you want the details and the timings of what has happened so far the Mirror newspaper is only 45p.