[Archived] Megson Sacked, Coyle Takes Over

[RevidgeBlue]

Surprised you expect Flood to have any influence after this debacle. I would have thought this will be a Kilby appointment all the way.

longsider, looking at nicko's timeline of events in the Daily Mirror you might be forgiven for concluding Flood allowed Gartside to chat to Coyle without getting Kilby's approval.

Is this a widely held perception in your neck of the woods?

[philipl]

Nothing of what you mention is particularly relevant to the compensation claim is it?

It all boils down to the perceived value of the remainder of Coyle's contract. Perhaps there is provision for bonuses in there in the event of Coyle hitting certain targets, which the Dingles think they should be compensated for and Bolton don't.

But that is cash the dingles would have had to have paid OC, not compensation for the damage resulting from Bolton recruiting him mid-contract which is what the scrap is about.

However, the bigger impact could be that by putting OC on gardening leave, Burnley have had to maintain a pretence of realistically believing there could be a reconciliation bringing Coyle back or else they could have problems of restraint of trade which in employment law is a total no-no unless the employee freely agreed to a gardening leave clause in the event of joining a competitor. I think we can reasonably assume no sane football Manager would ever sign such a clause. Burnley meeting other managers' agents makes that pretence of gardening leave much harder to maintain and puts OC in a stronger position to press for release from his contract. If Burnley release him from his contract, what leverage have they got left over Bolton on compensation?

[longsiders1882]

longsider, looking at nicko's timeline of events in the Daily Mirror you might be forgiven for concluding Flood allowed Gartside to chat to Coyle without getting Kilby's approval.

Is this a widely held perception in your neck of the woods?

I don't think you would be far wrong with that - some might even question whether the timeline starts a day or 2 late.

What I heard today would suggest that BK is more than a little annoyed about things.

[Iceman]

longsider, looking at nicko's timeline of events in the Daily Mirror you might be forgiven for concluding Flood allowed Gartside to chat to Coyle without getting Kilby's approval.

Is this a widely held perception in your neck of the woods?

I cant believe that is the case Rev, that Flood allowed Gartside to chat to Coyle without Kilby's approval. However, if it is the case then i wonder if Flood has had some sort of argument or disagreement with Kilby either on finances/transfers, leading up to the Coyle to Bolton story. It will be interesting to know, the real reason behind the happenings at Dingle Dome

[RevidgeBlue]

But that is cash the dingles would have had to have paid OC, not compensation for the damage resulting from Bolton recruiting him mid-contract which is what the scrap is about.

The Dingles can't PROVE any loss flowing from Coyle's departure can they?. It's all hypothetical. They might argue they'd do better with him in charge than with someone else but it's all pie in the sky.

In the absence of any specific clause, the starting point for compensation is Coyle's salary multiplied by the time left on his contract isn't it?.

[longsiders1882]

Believe it or not Iceman that is the strong rumour this end - very very strong.

[RevidgeBlue]

I cant believe that is the case Rev, that Flood allowed Gartside to chat to Coyle without Kilby's approval.

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I only raised it as a possibility because nicko made no reference whatsoever to Kilby being consulted at the early stages in his timeline.

[RevidgeBlue]

- some might even question whether the timeline starts a day or 2 late.

It is indeed hard to imagine how that story could have appeared online in the Mirror at 10.30p.m. Friday night if Gartside only made his initial request to Burnley for permission to talk to Coyle to Burnley at some point on Friday evening.

Unless Bolton deliberately leaked the story to the Press to get Coyle's juices flowing prior to speaking to him.

[nicko]

one last Guess, Shearer?? what does your computer say?

Computer says no, nay never.

[92er]

Surprised you expect Flood to have any influence after this debacle. I would have thought this will be a Kilby appointment all the way. If you want an outside bet - Ian Holloway who apparently has been offered the job previously - though I am hearing the number one choice is somebody very very close to the club at the moment (no, not Coyle hehe) but we shall see.

Latest twist on the compo, as I hear it. The figure is circa 3 million - and here's the rub, that is to a top 6 club. I'm guessing that is where the argument starts.

On Radio Lancs tonight Holloway denied any interest in the job as he's currently enjoying his job at Blackpool more than he's enjoyed any other job in football.

Someone sent in a comment about the top 6 club, so we'll have to wait and see if it's true.

[nicko]

It is indeed hard to imagine how that story could have appeared online in the Mirror at 10.30p.m. Friday night if Gartside only made his initial request to Burnley for permission to talk to Coyle to Burnley at some point on Friday evening.

Unless Bolton deliberately leaked the story to the Press to get Coyle's juices flowing prior to speaking to him.

I realise this is a conspircay theorist's wet dream, but you should recall one pretty key fact.

Sky Sports News broke the 'Bolton want Coyle' story on the Friday morning.

Would love to claim that as one of my own, but sadly not.

It's usually better to check the facts before you put any daft theories together.

But, then again, why spoil your fun.

[London_Rover]

Reports are that it may be Paul Lambert.

http://www.colchester.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=183787

[RevidgeBlue]

I realise this is a conspircay theorist's wet dream, but you should recall one pretty key fact.

Sky Sports News broke the 'Bolton want Coyle' story on the Friday morning.

Would love to claim that as one of my own, but sadly not.

It's usually better to check the facts before you put any daft theories together.

But, then again, why spoil your fun.

If the story was already running on Sky on the Friday morning that would merely tend to confirm longsider's suspicion about the timeline starting earlier.

[longsiders1882]

Call it a conspiracy if you wish - for me we all know how these things go - via one channel or another a club sounds out the manager in question (not wishing to end up with egg on their faces if he is not interested), if they get encouragement then they ensure that somebody in the media knows about it and so we go from there. In the main I would guess that is how many of these appointments are done.

As for whatever Holloway has said - see what Owen Coyle was saying just a week ago about Bolton - or countless other managers have said about countless jobs, hell see what Sousa has said about the Burnley job.

Yeah, the compo thing is interesting, will be fun to see how that one unravels over the coming days - maybe we will end up in the high court, it's happened before and if nothing else ballses things up for everybody - which could be a modicum of revenge

[philipl]

Not a surprise, Bolton fans have been on his back all season.

As posted in another thread, I think that they will go for Coyle.

Kamy scooped everybody by two days.

Anyone believing that Sky getting the story on Friday morning were in right at the beginning of the Coyle to Bolton saga is probably wide of the mark.

[RevidgeBlue]

Call it a conspiracy if you wish - for me we all know how these things go - via one channel or another a club sounds out the manager in question (not wishing to end up with egg on their faces if he is not interested), if they get encouragement then they ensure that somebody in the media knows about it and so we go from there. In the main I would guess that is how many of these appointments are done.

Agreed given the breakneck speed at which events moved up to the point where compensation became an issue, it seems very unlikely to me that Bolton would not have had a "nudge and a wink" from Coyle before potting Megson.

I know there's a hold up of a day or two now regarding compensation but had Coyle not been interested Bolton could have been looking at a fairly lengthy spell without a manager.

If I recall correctly we did much the same thing, nicko reported that we approached Allardyce well before Ince's services were formally dispensed with.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I'd have to cordially disagree with your dad on Faz!

Emerton is an extremely good athlete, but whilst he measures up well next to Andrews or a permanently injured Reid I can't say I'd lose any sleep if someone came in for him for the right money.

i wouldn't, very modest player who had a lot to be modest about. Even worse as a coach.

[nicko]

Gary Megson would still be manager of Bolton if they had beaten Hull and not drawn with them.

He was set a points target of 20 which he would have reached with a win - he only got a draw.

He was sacked on the Wednesday morning.

So how could anyone have been set up on a 'nudge and a wink' before that.

Some poeple really have to get out more.

[RevidgeBlue]

Gary Megson would still be manager of Bolton if they had beaten Hull and not drawn with them.

He was set a points target of 20 which he would have reached with a win - he only got a draw.

He was sacked on the Wednesday morning.

So how could anyone have been set up on a 'nudge and a wink' before that.

Some poeple really have to get out more.

So, Bolton were perfectly happy with Megson at 2-0 up v Hull and had never even entertained the idea of sacking him?.

But a few minutes later at 2-2 he has missed his points total and therefore gets the chop?

OK.

[T4E]

Brendan Flood wants a young and up-and-coming manager - for several reasons.

Picking one and finding one who wants to come may not be straightforward.

Read his book...they made a right pig's ear of it last time until someone dug them out of a hole.

I wouldn't touch Curbishley or Dowie.

I can think of one guy who would be an ideal 'new Coyle' in every way but that will have to stay with me for the moment.

John Hughes?

[thenodrog]

Yeah, the compo thing is interesting, will be fun to see how that one unravels over the coming days - maybe we will end up in the high court, it's happened before and if nothing else ballses things up for everybody - which could be a modicum of revenge

Not a chance. You need a new manager pdq and once that has happened any reference to the previous regime becomes a monkey on the new managers shoulder.

[EwoodGlory]

Nice twist

Coyle can quit Burnley for nothing

[thenodrog]

Gary Megson would still be manager of Bolton if they had beaten Hull and not drawn with them.

He was set a points target of 20 which he would have reached with a win - he only got a draw.

He was sacked on the Wednesday morning.

So how could anyone have been set up on a 'nudge and a wink' before that.

Some poeple really have to get out more.

Megson's leaving was inevitable. If not this target then then next one that he failed would have seen him off. I think only Gartside liked him in the entire town and when results go wrong even the chairman has to give way to the masses. I'm sure Coyle would have been quietly sounded out weeks if not months ago.

We had a similar experience last season with Williams reported to be willing to stick with Ince until the level of supporter anger after the Wigan debacle forced his hand.

[RevidgeBlue]

Nice twist

Coyle can quit Burnley for nothing

Good Grief.

There's a surprise.

Squeaky clean Owen, nasty horrible Burnley etc etc etc.

If the masses aren't revolting in Burnley already they will be after reading that pile of cack.

[thenodrog]

Nice twist

Coyle can quit Burnley for nothing

Burnley done up like a kipper!

Tell you what if that the case then Coyle should consider keeping his gob shut and stop throwing his future employers money about. Chucking a million of someone elses money is not a good move at all. Better still rather than get Bolton to fund his guilt trip why not work for nothing for 12 months and donate his own money to Burnley. He can well afford it now.