[Archived] Megson Sacked, Coyle Takes Over

[JC4LAB]

My first car had a dodgy coil that suddenly packed in

[FourLaneBlue]

didn't he decline a move to Bolton and Celtic previously?

Only Celtic.

The Bolton job is a far bigger job than Celtic these days. Such are the relative strengths of the English and Scottish Premier Leagues.

[unluckymorton]

My first car had a dodgy coil that suddenly packed in

Is that post related to Ince? It could easily be... Other than that I think I'm with you but on the wrong thread...

[Blue blood]

That's all well and good for now as it is them, but I'll say on here what I have been irritated into saying on there. I don't agree with nicko's role in all this because in the future it might be our manager he is pally with and trying to help spirit away.

Agree this is a worry, and not just with nicko but with every journalist. It's hard enough keeping managers as it is, let alone with the media helping to oil the wheels of their exit.

As it is I really appreciate Nicko's contributions on here, but the articles are heavily pro-Coyle and perhaps not the most objective piece of reporting ever. Mind you, even taking this into account Burnley do seem determined to muck this up good and proper.

What makes this all the more astounding is that they seemed to be in the stronger position of the two clubs. Arguably they could have said Coyle was tapped up, they have him on a lengthy and substantial contract which must help the compensation claim, regardless of wording, and as relegation isn't as bad for the dingles - they expect and will have planned for this - time i/was also on their side.

[Moorey]

A strange article.

Anyone who knows of Nicko's relationship with OC and isn't a Rovers fan, would see it for what it is. There is no way the situation is as straightforward as OC sat there waiting for the two clubs to sort compo out of the goodness of his heart. Not only would the compo presumably detract from his future budget, but he'd risk alienating Bolton and ending up in neither job. If he really was so sure he could just walk, he would have done so by now.

I would love to know exactly what has happened between the Flood-Nixon-Coyle-Gartside quartet these last few weeks. I suspect we'll never get the true tale from any source.

[Stuart]

Nice twist

Coyle can quit Burnley for nothing

Very clever. Condition the dingles to thinking that they should be grateful to get £1m.

Bit late for Coyle to try to save face with the Burnley fans though. Public enemy number 2.

What does he expect posting on the "Coyle can walk out thread" as getiton98 pretending to be a Bolton fan?

And I need to get out more.

Really, I thought Nicko was "IAmNeutral":

"in fairness i've never seen nixon get it wrong when he has come out with something so forward. i mean he's come right out and said that. didn't speculate or anything. usually when he's not totally sure he covers his back a little and writes tentatively.

if you ask me there's probably something in it. those burnley fans who read his articles regularly and know the way he works will know what i mean. oh well, £1mil is better than nothing i guess."

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[Gav]

I think Kilby and Flood are clearly out of there depth when it comes to doing business in the premier league. Like the ground and training facilities, not up to the job.

[Sysagent]

I think Kilby and Flood are clearly out of there depth when it comes to doing business in the premier league. Like the ground and training facilities, not up to the job.

Just summarise that as the entire club!

;-)

[Gav]

Just summarise that as the entire club!

;-)

This Flood character seems as dodgy as they come, you only had to listen to him after they got promoted to hear he didn’t have the first idea about dealing with the media. Kilby must have been cringing listening to him talk up burnleys transfer kitty before the season started. Now he’s texting Coyle and blowing the budget once again

Keep up the good work Brendon

[owenrilla]

My first car had a dodgy coil that suddenly packed in

Criminally overlooked

[LDRover]

My first car had a dodgy coil that suddenly packed in

Had a girlfriend like that...CSA have got me by the balls now.

[Stuart]

Had a girlfriend like that...CSA have got me by the balls now.

There it is!

[philipl]

If the Burnley Directors have any pride, they will detest being reduced to negotiating via the press. If they had any savvy, they would never have allowed the situation detereorate to such a point that the press had any role to play whatsoever.

So far as nicko is concerned, what he is doing will hardly be cost free. I would imagine the local clubs' directors will be even more wary of him.

[RevidgeBlue]

Nicko's piece in the Mirror underlined the point I was making that Burnley had again undermined their position viz a viz compensation by publicly letting it be known they were actively seeking a successor whilst OC was on gardening leave.

Burnley's last throw of a dice on this one is threat of High Court action- potentially delaying Coyle's move to Notlob. However, their ability to screw money out of the Trotters is going down and not up and even going to the High Court is going to cost the dingles because to maintain their actual loss position, they cannot go out and hire a new manager they could present to the fans as being the best thing since sliced bread.

Nicko's mention of the £1m is clearly the level at which the compo deal will be settled at when the lawyers get round the table and thrash this out. But it has to be said the dingles have made so many false steps, even that amount must be at risk now.

I will repeat, the difference between the dingles' handling of this and John Williams' handling of the Mark Hughes departure is massive and only further underlines how fortunate Rovers are to have JW (even if he got the successor selection all wrong).

Disagree entirely.

My sympathies were firmly with Coyle when the story first broke but that has changed completely as time has gone on.

The latest piece from nicko smacks of a bit of desperation and a hamfisted attempt to try and scare Burnley into accepting the lower amount.

I can't for one minute imagine the LMA appreciate the contents of their privileged legal advice being plastered all over the papers, nor would a Tribunal appreciate this sort of press coverage pre-empting the result of the case if it ever got that far - which it probably still won't.

The case is nowhere as clear cut as nicko is pretending. Burnley let Coyle speak to Bolton, He decided he wanted to go, the following day they tried to persuade him to change his mind, however he still wants to go and is therefore put on gardening leave. They surely can't be expected to allow him access to their players in the meantime. I can't see the problem as long as they are paying him as per his contract pending the finalisation of compensation negotiations and if Bolton/ OC were that certain he could just walk out he would do.

It will be quite interesting to see how the other newspapers who are not so close to Coyle treat the story once they catch up.

Both teams now have a bit of breathing space as their respective games tomorrow are off.

[philipl]

There is nothing privileged about Nicko's little splash. Any employer with basic knowledge is aware that the law is massively weighted in favour of the employee in matters like this.

That is why the moment Flood allowed Coyle to talk to Bolton he totally screwed himself as the matter largely passed out of football contract territory into common employment law territory. Agreeing to let Coyle and Bolton talk screwed Burnley for howling tap-up which is something that genuinely scares the tapping-up club because of the range of sanctions the FA and PL can potentially apply.

Now it just comes down either to a reasonable compensation package for provable loss from agreeing to release Coyle from his contract or Coyle walking out and he and Bolton taking the risk of a High Court injunction with employee's restraint of trade rules heavily weighted in their favour given Flood's mistakes.

[T4E]

It would appear that in a nutshell Burnley have been ridiculously naive. Letting your manager talk to another club before you've agreed a compensation fee is beyond stupid. You wouldnt make that mistake with a player transfer. Bolton appear (atleast publicly) to have gone down the correct avenues on this one, so the only conlusion you can draw is that Burnley have done this to themselves.

Bolton may have supplied the rope, but the Dingles tied the noose, stuck their head through, tightened it up and kicked the chair away.

Idiots

[Hughesy]

Philip is right, under employment law they have screwed themselves.

To allow a 'chat' and then suspend him for it - is pathetic & clearly against his rights....

They obviously felt he would turn Bolton down and its back-fired - Shame!!

[RevidgeBlue]

Philip is right, under employment law they have screwed themselves.

To allow a 'chat' and then suspend him for it - is pathetic & clearly against his rights....

They obviously felt he would turn Bolton down and its back-fired - Shame!!

They haven't "suspended" him, that's nicko's phrase.

That implies he wants to stay at Burnley but Burnley are keeping him away from work against his will. He has indicated to them on more than one occasion that despite their desire to keep him he wants to leave, and that remains the case, therefore as long as they continue paying him under the terms of his contract, Coyle has no room for complaint.

On the face of it Flood screwed up badly in allowing Coyle "a chat" without agreeing a compensation figure, but who knows, perhaps they thought the compensation situation was already adequately covered in Coyle's contract and weren't expecting there to be any major dispute about the figure.

[EwoodGlory]

Gary Neville backed down to 8/1 from 20/1 for Bunrley job

William Hill odds

[unluckymorton]

They haven't "suspended" him, that's nicko's phrase.

That implies he wants to stay at Burnley but Burnley are keeping him away from work against his will. He has indicated to them on more than one occasion that despite their desire to keep him he wants to leave, and that remains the case, therefore as long as they continue paying him under the terms of his contract, Coyle has no room for complaint.

On the face of it Flood screwed up badly in allowing Coyle "a chat" without agreeing a compensation figure, but who knows, perhaps they thought the compensation situation was already adequately covered in Coyle's contract and weren't expecting there to be any major dispute about the figure.

It can imply anything you want it to imply to be fair. Everybody has their own take on it. I myself have been placed on gardening leave once before after handing in my notice and colleagues of mine have been placed on gardening leave. To suspend an employee you must have a case of serious misconduct or a history of events that have been recorded and dealt with in the correct manor.

Gardening leave is similar in a lot of ways to suspension. You are banned from your place of work, be it mutually or not, pending further enquiry.

You are not able to fill the positions of somebody on gardening leave until they have severed all ties with the company. Filling the position whilst on gardening leave would prove that he is surplace to requirements and therefore is free to do as he wishes. In fact, filling his position whilst on gardening leave can result in him suing the dingles.

[Steve Moss]

On the face of it Flood screwed up badly in allowing Coyle "a chat" without agreeing a compensation figure . . .

Perhaps Flood is an evil genius? Perhaps once he knew that Bolton had succesfully 'tapped up' Coyle, he decided to confuse the issue by not allowing Coyle to leave but not immediately appointing a replacement, thereby delaying Bolton's appointment of a manager to replace Megson. Burnley is prepared for relegation, Bolton is not. The longer the delay, the more likely Bolton will be adversely impacted by its lack of manager. Ergo, Flood has his revenge.

If you haven't guessed, I read far too many Sherlock Holmes mysteries as a child.

[FourLaneBlue]

Brendan Flood...the Napoleon of football.

[RevidgeBlue]

You are not able to fill the positions of somebody on gardening leave until they have severed all ties with the company.

Coyle has arguably done that himself by indicating he wants to leave then reaffirming that desire the following day. I would imagine that's what Burnley's legal team have advised them.

I very much doubt Burnley failed to take legal advice before they sat down for that Press conference. The comment from Flood about Coyle moving sideways no doubt riled Coyle prompting him to get his retaliation into the Press via nicko. Very thin ice bearing in mind he's supposed to be subject to a gagging order.

[Kelbo]

It can imply anything you want it to imply to be fair. Everybody has their own take on it. I myself have been placed on gardening leave once before after handing in my notice and colleagues of mine have been placed on gardening leave. To suspend an employee you must have a case of serious misconduct or a history of events that have been recorded and dealt with in the correct manor.

Gardening leave is similar in a lot of ways to suspension. You are banned from your place of work, be it mutually or not, pending further enquiry.

You are not able to fill the positions of somebody on gardening leave until they have severed all ties with the company. Filling the position whilst on gardening leave would prove that he is surplace to requirements and therefore is free to do as he wishes. In fact, filling his position whilst on gardening leave can result in him suing the dingles.

Yes, that is correct, not only that, if gardening leave is not in a specified clause in his contract (and thats quite unusual in football contracts) again he can claim wrongful dismissal and restraining him from practising his trade!

[hollowsr]

And now it has gone through, will be interesting to see who Burnley turn too now!