[Archived] This Is Bad News

[philipl]

Telelgraph report.

I had noticed the number of beatings and murders and defused devices seemed to be increasing last year without hitting any headlines. It seems there is a continuing level of thuggery (self-appointed vigilante groups ostensibly sorting out drug dealers ie anyone they don't like) and now it is taking on a political dimension again.

They are all supposed to be Christians (they have already persecuted any visible minorities).

[Rovermatt]

Yes we are indeed saturated with scum, from the loyalist pond-life to the dissident 'republicans' in the west of the country. Fortunately neither side is yet recruiting the intellectual cream of their respective crops.

[adopted scouser]

You think this is bad news. Am I hearing straight or some idiots planning a pro islamic march through Wootton Bassett ?

[Guest Kamy100]

Sadly so:

March at Wotton Bassett

Not heard of this group before, either way they are extremists and want to cause trouble, hopefully the police can ban this march as these "muslims" want to divide and cause problems.

[adopted scouser]

Taken from the Islamic awakening forum, representatives of Islam 4 UK

Islam4UK, a platform for the global front Al-Muhajiroun, would like to announce the launch of a momentous march that is scheduled to take place in the following weeks, details of which will be released shortly inshaa'allah (God willing).

The destination of this very special event is the small market town of Wootton Bassett, located 6 miles Southwest of Swindon, in northern Wiltshire; Wootton Bassett, is currently famous for its public mourning processions held in memory of British soldiers killed whilst on military service in Afghanistan; coffins containing the dismembered bodies of these soldiers are usually draped in union jack flags and driven through the town centre from RAF Lyneham, as a tribute to their ‘sacrifice'.

The proposed march by members of Islam4UK is however of a very different venture, held not in memory of the occupying and merciless British military, but rather the real war dead who have been shunned by the Western media and general public as they were and continue to be horrifically murdered in the name of Democracy and Freedom - the innocent Muslim men, women and children.

It is quite extraordinary, that with well over 100,000 Muslims killed in Afghanistan in the last 8 years that those military serviceman who have directly or indirectly contributed to their death are paraded as war heroes and moreover honoured for what is ultimately genocide.

We at Islam4UK find this totally unacceptable and as a result have decided to launch the ‘Wootton Bassett March' to highlight the real casualties of this brutal Crusade.

If you would like more information about the ‘Wootton Bassett March' or are Muslim and would like to take part in it please contact the following numbers:

General Enquiries: 07961 577 221

Media Enquiries: 07956 600 569

Wootton Bassett has become representative of quiet, dignified, restrained respect for our fallen boys and girls. Even in a land where the right to protest/free speech is traditional this cannot, and must not be allowed.

[Guest Kamy100]

Totally agree AS. I have never heard of this group before so they are probably very small, but nonetheless any kind of march/demo at Wotton Bassett would be totally and utterly wrong, it will cause an immense amount of pain to the families of the troops who have died. This is not about whether you agree with the war or not, it is about showing respect to troops who have died.

It is clear to me that this Islam For UK group want to cause trouble and gain headlines.

[broadsword]

If they go ahead with that they'll cause trouble alright, guaranteed.

[RovertheHill]

I find the thought of that march absolutely abhorrent and it will do massive damage to the muslim community in this country. Moderate muslims must realise this. The trouble is that as much as the bigots from the EDL and BNP do not represent me, there are many who will instantly assume these Islam4UK morons represent the rest of the muslim community.

Interestingly, did ANY muslims march for the hundreds of thousands of muslims who were killed by the regimes of the Taliban, Saddam, Iran/Iraq war etc. Seems to me that often paradoxically the safest place to be muslim is in a country like ours?

It's a difficult balancing act for a democracy but this must be banned because it will end up as a riot in a dignified town who are doing nothing political but paying respect for the fallen

[philipl]

The 100,000+ dead in Iraq are being dishonoured by that group of morons.

[thenodrog]

Our soldiers are brought back to Wootton Bassett so that they can be honoured in their homeland. If any protests want to be made about dead Afghani's then do it in Afghanistan. This is nothing but troublemaking carried out supposedly in the name of Allah. Can we stop things like this happening as long as they are held within the law of the land? I doubt it somehow. I suppose 'Likely to cause a Breach of the peace' might be the most effective.

Speaking of dead prophets, how about this from 42 years ago for fitting this current situation .....

"The other dangerous delusion from which those who are wilfully or otherwise blind to realities suffer, is summed up in the word "integration". To be integrated into a population means to become for all practical purposes indistinguishable from its other members. Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth immigrants who have come to live here in the last fifteen years or so, many thousands whose wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that direction. But to imagine that such a thing enters the heads of a great and growing majority of immigrants and their descendants is a ludicrous misconception, and a dangerous one."

Powell 1968

There should be more than a few shifting uncomfortably in their seats at this point.

[philipl]

Far from it' drog. Powell was wrong then and is wrong now.

This brilliant Robert Fisk article vividly illuminates the issues facing Ireland and the Middle East and draws strong parallels.

[thenodrog]

Far from it' drog. Powell was wrong then and is wrong now.

A very convincing and thorough reposte Philip.

Anyway he was was he? Well this thread would not be here would it? You should perhaps try telling that to the bereaved of 7/7.

There is no problem with immigration so long as numbers are controlled and restricted to immigrants who individually possess special employable skills and talents that are required in this country and with the intention of integrating and dovetailing with the exisiting population. With millions of our own permanently unemployed and less and less work available what other reasons can there be for anybody wanting to come here anyway?

Anyway it's pointless cos we've spewed it and burdened the nation with huge and probably irreversible problems which can only ever escalate to a messy conclusion. I guess the best option is to do as you have done, emigrate and by definition become somebody else's immigrant and someone else's problem.

[ABBEY]

Our soldiers are brought back to Wootton Bassett so that they can be honoured in their homeland. If any protests want to be made about dead Afghani's then do it in Afghanistan. This is nothing but troublemaking carried out supposedly in the name of Allah. Can we stop things like this happening as long as they are held within the law of the land? I doubt it somehow. I suppose 'Likely to cause a Breach of the peace' might be the most effective.

id march these scum into an airfield put them on a plane drop them off in by chute over pakistan.On the flight id finger print and dna them.If they come back id march them to the tower and hang them for treason.Immediate family members to.SCUM.

[ABBEY]

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[thenodrog]

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Does this mean that our soldiers are going to be fighting on two fronts as a result of decades of misguided and malicious legislation?

Time for more from the guy PM Ted Heath described as 'racialist' 1968. Visionary might have been more accurate given the benefit of hindsight. Personally I was only young at the time but I have yet to see what all the fuss was about with this speech, the more time passes the more accurate and relevent it becomes but I don't expect to hear that from any of our Rt Hon members in Westminster though. 'Tell it honestly and how you see it' should be the minimum requirement for all our elected representatives.

anyway.....

For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood".

Powell 68

[Guest Kamy100]

Outcry Over Proposed March

Lets hope something is done, if not then I and many of my other Muslim friends are prepared to join a peaceful protest to stop these lunatics.

[BuckyRover]

Amen to that Kamy.

The intelligent people in this country know it's a minority spoiling it for the rest. I heard the organiser on the radio this morning, he is an idiot. He compared our soldiers to Nazi's. In doing so he reminded me of Nick Griffin. Both as bad as each other.

[Eddie]

Home Secretary Willing to Block it.

[colin]

Go on then. I'll play Devil's advocate like I usually do. Bear with me.

Wooton Basset is a small town where the dead of the British army from the "wars" in Iraq and Afganistan are paraded through the town.

So far so good. The bodies are landed nearby and then paraded through the town in coffins in rememberance. No problem with that at all.

Them there Muslims want to remember the thousands of "other" people who have did in Iraq & Afganistan who have died in exactly the same war but they are not the perpetrators of the war, nor they are enemy combatants.

Why on earth do you, me, & we have any objection to the people of Wooten Basset, or indeed any of us, spending 5 minutes to bow their heads for the thousands, perhaps milions, of people of Iraqi & Afganistani who have lost their lives in the wars there. It's not a memorial for the combatants on "the other side" which makes it less offensive to my mind.

The fact that they might adhere to some "foreign" religion doesn't really make much difference. Does it?

"F**k 'em they're not British/Christians hardly holds much water. Not really adhering to the "milk of human kindness" is it?

Start the flak

[thenodrog]

Them there Muslims want to remember the thousands of "other" people who have did in Iraq & Afganistan who have died in exactly the same war but they are not the perpetrators of the war, nor they are enemy combatants.

Believe that do you? If you do you are a bigger fool than any of us ever thought.... and that takes some doing! Those bugggers couldn't give two hoots for any dead Afghani's no matter what they add up to, they are dangerous and malicious troublemakers and their mission is to foment trouble and aggression by agitating and uniting impressionable young muslims in order to further the spread of islamic fanatacism and to damage the western world in any way they can. Finding and manipulating Quislings like you to further their cause by means of collaboration is meat and drink to them.

Kamy sort him out ffs.

[Eddie]

He raises a good point.

Why not prevent them from marching (as their intentions are not exactly saintly) and then hold minute silence or some sort of service at some point for the civilians who have died.

[Guest Kamy100]

Them there Muslims want to remember the thousands of "other" people who have did in Iraq & Afganistan who have died in exactly the same war but they are not the perpetrators of the war, nor they are enemy combatants.

Many, many Muslims in this country remember the thousands dying in Iraq and Afganistan on a daily basis during prayers at the Mosque.

HOWEVER, these lunatics from Islam4UK couldn't give 2 hoots about the dead, they are trying to camouflage their actual intent by saying that this is to remember the innocent people who have died in Iraq/Afganistan, they are trouble makers, they want to increase the divide in this country and know that holding this march is guaranteed to do that, there spokesperson/leader Mr Anjem Choudhry is a grade A nutter, he should be locked up for some of the stuff that he has come out with.

The positive thing from this is that many many muslims are angered by this march and are prepared to be involved in counter marches/action to stop this from happening.

[RevidgeBlue]

Just seen Gordon Brown on TV pontificating about how deeply distasteful it was etc etc.

Found myself shouting at the screen like Paxman

"What are you going to do about it?" "What are you going to do about it?" "What are you going to do about it?" "What are you going to do about it?"

[adopted scouser]

Many, many Muslims in this country remember the thousands dying in Iraq and Afganistan on a daily basis during prayers at the Mosque.

HOWEVER, these lunatics from Islam4UK couldn't give 2 hoots about the dead, they are trying to camouflage their actual intent by saying that this is to remember the innocent people who have died in Iraq/Afganistan, they are trouble makers, they want to increase the divide in this country and know that holding this march is guaranteed to do that, there spokesperson/leader Mr Anjem Choudhry is a grade A nutter, he should be locked up for some of the stuff that he has come out with.

The positive thing from this is that many many muslims are angered by this march and are prepared to be involved in counter marches/action to stop this from happening.

Good post pal.

[thenodrog]

The positive thing from this is that many many muslims are angered by this march and are prepared to be involved in counter marches/action to stop this from happening.

Thats well and good Kamy and I applaud them but wouldn't a counter march be more effective if it was open to all comers and not just muslims. Integration is perhaps the crux of the issue.