[Archived] Nicko

[S15]

If Benni McCarthy is one of the best players Blackburn Rovers have 'EVER' had I think I'll be comparing Beattie to Van Bastern thanks.

[Silencio]

If Benni McCarthy is one of the best players Blackburn Rovers have 'EVER' had I think I'll be comparing Beattie to Van Bastern thanks.

Benni ain't one of the best players we've ever had and big fat Beattie is more like Mickey Quinn than Sheringham...

[deryck guyler's spoon]

How far can I go back ? Start with McKenzie and forward ? Or can I go back to Douglas Can I include all psitions - as this wasn't clear - top 50 forwards or 50 players ? I was refering to 50 players - which I could pick out 50 just in the Jack Walker era (which would incl Garner - just ).

I honestly think that Benni is another example of an over-paid player, with probably above average skill - but below average contribution to games.

Just a few JW onwards era :- Flowers, Given, Friedel, Berg, Hendry, Short, LeSaux, Wright, Batty, Sherwood, Ripley, Wilcox, Duff, Shearer, Newell, Garner, Gallagher, Sutton, Tugay, Bohinen (must admit a personal favourite), Samba, Nelsen, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Speedie, Jansen, Dunn, Flitcroft, Warhurst, Henchoz, Berkovic, Hughes, Cowans, Sellars, Atkins, Moran, Kenna

Have (IMO) all contributed more or as much as Benni to Rovers cause. Go further back - well, I can even pick out players from the Kendall era that I would put ahead of Benni - McKennzi, Faz, Keeley - even probably Brotherston.

What do you mean "probably even"? Absolutely no doubt about it.

[S15]

I was comparing Beattie to Sherringham now. Who would you rather have eh?

Eh?

[sparkspakespoke]

How far can I go back ? Start with McKenzie and forward ? Or can I go back to Douglas Can I include all psitions - as this wasn't clear - top 50 forwards or 50 players ? I was refering to 50 players - which I could pick out 50 just in the Jack Walker era (which would incl Garner - just ).

I honestly think that Benni is another example of an over-paid player, with probably above average skill - but below average contribution to games.

Just a few JW onwards era :- Flowers, Given, Friedel, Berg, Hendry, Short, LeSaux, Wright, Batty, Sherwood, Ripley, Wilcox, Duff, Shearer, Newell, Garner, Gallagher, Sutton, Tugay, Bohinen (must admit a personal favourite), Samba, Nelsen, Bellamy, Santa Cruz, Speedie, Jansen, Dunn, Flitcroft, Warhurst, Henchoz, Berkovic, Hughes, Cowans, Sellars, Atkins, Moran, Kenna

Have (IMO) all contributed more or as much as Benni to Rovers cause. Go further back - well, I can even pick out players from the Kendall era that I would put ahead of Benni - McKennzi, Faz, Keeley - even probably Brotherston.

Would agree with all of this except Given. Whilst for sure a butter player than Benni Mac i dont think he contributed more to Roverscause in his time here.

[Silencio]

I was comparing Beattie to Sherringham now. Who would you rather have eh?

Eh?

Really? Why would you do that?!

Out of Benni and Beattie I would take Benni every time.

Out of Beattie and Sheringham in his pomp I would take Sheringham.

Out of Beattie and Sheringham (now) I would take Beattie. Bit of a daft question though isn't it though?

[saxo1man30]

i can`t under stand the fans who blasted dwight yorke`s efforts at rovers, yet rave about mccarthy`s! both are exactly the same to me!

yorke signed and in his first season hit double figures to help us into europe, so did benni. yorke after his first season scored goals but the effort was noticably lacking and he clearly wasn`t as bothered about making an impact, same with benni. yorke in his last season netted the odd goal but he took the ###### in most displays showing little or no effort and was clearly out of shape and moaned about the manager, same as benni is now.

dwight yorke - blackburn rovers flop in most fans eyes and subject of hate jibes.

benni mccarthy - rovers legend in most of our fans eyes because he does the occasional backheel that comes off which for some reason blinds our support to his total lack of effort. well he`s no legend on my eyes, in fact he`s no better than dwight yorke was.

[S15]

Really? Why would you do that?!

Out of Benni and Beattie I would take Benni every time.

Out of Beattie and Sheringham in his pomp I would take Sheringham.

Out of Beattie and Sheringham (now) I would take Beattie. Bit of a daft question though isn't it though?

Christ almighty.

[LeftWinger]

i can`t under stand the fans who blasted dwight yorke`s efforts at rovers, yet rave about mccarthy`s! both are exactly the same to me!

.. in fact he`s no better than dwight yorke was.

A quick look at Soccerbase:

Yorke 54 starts, 19 goals (A goal every 2.84 starts).

McCarthy 103 starts, 52 goals (A goal every 1.98 starts).

McCarthy has done far more for Rovers than Yorke ever did.

[des]

benni is a good player, however does he bring his skills to the games, does he do enough, answer for me sometimes yes but in themain no.

If we had lots of money then yes we could carry some one like benni, but we do not, and every player has to make some majior inpact, also if he does not want to stay will he be prepared to fight for the cause. answer look at his fitness he is over weight ( so am I) but he is a top class player, if he wants to play and stay get fit and stay fit.

any money raised needs to go into midfield

[saxo1man30]

A quick look at Soccerbase:

Yorke 54 starts, 19 goals (A goal every 2.84 starts).

McCarthy 103 starts, 52 goals (A goal every 1.98 starts).

McCarthy has done far more for Rovers than Yorke ever did.

considering mccarthy has been here longer of course he`s scored more goals, but even going off your dubious stat ratio(which is total `dribble`) the differance ain`t that great that mccarthy should be a major hero while yorke is hated!

[mellison24]

Bish - in defence of shillito (did I just say that?) I gathered that his comparison of Beattie to Sheringham was in RELATIVE terms? In the sense of 'Sheringham to Utd is what Beattie could be like to us'? Utd get world-beaters. We get decent enough players who are good, but not fantastic.

[LeftWinger]

Benni may be slow, lazy and past his best - but he's one of the few players we have who can create something. We're slowly removing any creativity from our squad.

What's wrong with my dubious stats?

[G Somerset Rover]

For those people saying Beattie for Benni isn't too bad I hope you do realise that if you thought we play long ball now then wait and see what happens when we have someone who can actually head a ball up there.

We'll be needing reclined seats at Ewood so we can see the ball more clearly.

[S15]

Don't defend me Mellison, I'd rather take the verbal lashing. I wasn't been 'relative,' I think James Beattie is f**king stella.

[saxo1man30]

Benni may be slow, lazy and past his best - but he's one of the few players we have who can create something. We're slowly removing any creativity from our squad.

What's wrong with my dubious stats?

they`re dubious

[mellison24]

Don't defend me Mellison, I'd rather take the verbal lashing. I wasn't been 'relative,' I think James Beattie is f**king stella.

I'm guessing that means mild?

[S15]

Yawn.

[mellison24]

It's a genuine question mate. Only asking.

[47er]

A quick look at Soccerbase:

Yorke 54 starts, 19 goals (A goal every 2.84 starts).

McCarthy 103 starts, 52 goals (A goal every 1.98 starts).

McCarthy has done far more for Rovers than Yorke ever did.

Benni is always and only interested in himself. Wanted away to a big club in his first season, couldn't be arsed when we wouldn't let him go, sulked ever since, came back after the hols as fat as a pig and then bleats that we are robbing him of a World Cup place by not playing him regularly!

The guy is a joke and hope he goes. However I agree with those who say Beattie is a good replacement for Roberts not Mccarthy. Get rid of both and get 2 in.

[mellison24]

Benni is always and only interested in himself. Wanted away to a big club in his first season, couldn't be arsed when we wouldn't let him go, sulked ever since, came back after the hols as fat as a pig and then bleats that we are robbing him of a World Cup place by not playing him regularly!

The guy is a joke and hope he goes. However I agree with those who say Beattie is a good replacement for Roberts not Mccarthy. Get rid of both and get 2 in.

This is where I think a deal involving Roberts (assuming Strachan is still interested) and Gary O'Niell would come in. Beattie and O'Neill for Roberts and McCarthy sounds like a good deal to me. All ifs with many buts, I'm sure.

[Dufflite]

The pubs in Bolton will be out of pocket when Benny goes and Dioufy will be loosing his bezzy mate.

[adopted scouser]

I'd take Beattie, he's one of my customers. Benni's a wantaway who sees his future elsewhere, hardly the dedication and loyalty we're looking for is it ? Beattie would be coming home and eager to impress, just what we need with a few months to go.

[Gamst]

Benni has been a good player for Rovers, especially during his first season where he was excellent. However, regardless of the stats, he is not the player he used to be! He lost any pace he once had, is lazy and has piled on the weight. Most importantly though, he doesnt care about us anymore. At 32, things are only going to go down hill, so it is time to sell him in my view. The comparison with Yorke is interesting. Whilst Benni has been a better player for Rovers, he does remind me of Yorke in his later days at Rovers... a spent force. Beattie, I believe, is no spent force and could act as the perfect foil for Kalinic. A player of his strength and power is likely to have more of an impact for us than a chubby, sedentary Benni. We all know that Beattie is no worldy, but I think he could do a job for us and Sam thinks this too.

[Silencio]

I'd take Beattie, he's one of my customers. Benni's a wantaway who sees his future elsewhere, hardly the dedication and loyalty we're looking for is it ? Beattie would be coming home and eager to impress, just what we need with a few months to go.

Do you own a chippy?