[Archived] Enough Is Enough

[Gav]

Eh Gav, who would you prefer, Parkesy or Sam?? Go on, let's 'av it??!

I'd much rather have Allardyce than Parks.

[dulwich]

Yet another example of you missing the point, and not actually answering what was put to you...

[thenodrog]

Tell you what... Why do you not give us your "list of at least 3 suitably better replacements" eh?

3? Why should I do that? I'm not the one flapping about in a panic like a load of fish in a net.

But I've just offered one possible manager that I'd phone first should the need arise. Try to keep up sysagent.

Yet another example of you missing the point, and not actually answering what was put to you...

Don't get cocky. I've just politely addressed every numpty point you made here.

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/22566-enough-is-enough/page__view__findpost__p__864330

You last one is just too stupid to bother with and too tenuous..... btw shouldn't there be 2 'L's in your name?

[dulwich]

Shouldn't there be a "k" and a "b" in the middle of yours?

[thenodrog]

Shouldn't there be a "k" and a "b" in the middle of yours?

Very spirited but it's usually best to lick your wounds in private I suggest dullwich.

[Sysagent]

3? Why should I do that? I'm not the one flapping about in a panic like a load of fish in a net.

But I've just offered one possible manager that I'd phone first should the need arise. Try to keep up sysagent.

Who's flapping, certainly not this fish...

You have addressed partially one point I raised, I take it then you have no constructive suggestions or answers to the other points then?

It seems to me that you are the one struggling to "keep up" Gordon.

[dulwich]

Yet still no answer...

Your response was to previous points, not my latest "numpty point".

Do keep up Gordon.

[tcj_jones]

As in all walks of life, it's easy for detractors to call for somebody's head without actually better credible alternatives. I'm yet to hear one tbh.

Until circumstances become desperate and any alternative would be preferrable over Allardyce, then we should stick with him.

[thenodrog]

Who's flapping, certainly not this fish...

You have addressed partially one point I raised, I take it then you have no constructive suggestions or answers to the other points then?

It seems to me that you are the one struggling to "keep up" Gordon.

Not struggling at all. why should I debate points that I agree with broadly speaking? Be a bit pointless wouldn't it?

Quote syasagent

1. The Manager - I say keep him for the immediate future, he is working under extremely difficult circumstances, he needs more time, let's see what happens at the end of the Season. Fair enough he has made a couple mistakes, being inflexible with his tactics (but we all knew this would be the case) and the signing of players that he never seems to play, Salgado case in point

2. 3 suitably better replacements - Hughes (dreamland,never going to happen), Bilic would be a reasonable shout yet again highly unlikely but I am sure he would like to have a PL team on his CV, Michael Laudrup

3. The current state of the team and it's players - The team is good enough imo at both ends of the pitch, defense and attack wise, it's just that big void in the middle that needs filling this transfer season, once that happens I can see results coming our way

4. The Walker Trust - Yet again people working under difficult circumstances, the supporters here have to remember that these guys have just had to endure the most difficult two years that the World economy has had to endure, so you can hardly blame them for not throwing the millions around the past season or so... Yet again let's be patient and see what happens in the next year or so...

I agree with just about all those points.

There's nobody that stands out as a better man than SA.

Bilic especially would have been my 1st choice when Hughes left.

I've bemoaned our lack of quality in the midfield since before Hughes left.

I've defended the WT to the hilt in the face of so many knee jerk and ill begotten reactions.

We are so much in agreement that if you 'trawl' back long enough sysagent you'll no doubt find that my posts put em in your head in the first place.

[my_name_is_Earl]

As in all walks of life, it's easy for detractors to call for somebody's head without actually better credible alternatives. I'm yet to hear one tbh.

Until circumstances become desperate and any alternative would be preferrable over Allardyce, then we should stick with him.

Steve McClaren - restored his reputation after the England calamity, a real man manager, somebody who looks to play the game the right way and someone who isn't afraid to develop the younger players. I will admit, after the England sacking, his reputation was awful and he wasn't the right man but at Twente, he's restored his club reputation and would be ideal with limited resources. I've seen Twente five or six times this season and they are a great team to watch, play with wingers and look reasonably solid at the back.

[thenodrog]

Yet still no answer...

Your response was to previous points, not my latest "numpty point".

Do keep up Gordon.

Pipe down dullwich. You've nothing to bring to the party and are getting wearisome. In fact I'll not respond to your goading again until you manage to make an intelligent post that is worth a response.

Sysagent's far more accurate and informed. Read his opinions please.

[BuckyRover]

I would also like Steve McClaren.

I hated him after the England debacle, but I respect how he got on with things after this. He has now got a good team at Twente and I think he is a very good alternative.

[Amo]

Slaven Bilic would have been the ideal candidate when JW was trying to repeat the Hughes formula. Young manager who went straight into International level and excelled. Instead, we got lumbered with the Guv'nor. I couldn't see us having much chance with Bilic now, and there must be some reason he's been overlooked for several PL posts now.

[my_name_is_Earl]

I would also like Steve McClaren.

I hated him after the England debacle, but I respect how he got on with things after this. He has now got a good team at Twente and I think he is a very good alternative.

I'm glad somebody else sees that he would be a good manager for us. With all due respect to the Dutch league, it is nowhere near how it was in the mid 90's, the Premiership is the place to be and I think McClaren would be a good choice amongst the players and eventually the fans. I think he'd join us, worth 'tapping up' surely just in case BS doesn't work out.

[T4E]

There's nothing to suggest Bilic is a PL manager, so to call him the "ideal candidate" at any point seems strange.

However, are we hitting on something with the international manager route? We all know it worked with Sparky. Management at that level is tactics and motivation at its purest. A young manager who only has experience (and success) in this field would likely want to step up to the day to day contact that club management would bring. They wouldn't feel immediately stifled by our financial constraints the way Sam has.

Bilic is a good example of this - are there any more?

[dulwich]

Pipe down dullwich. You've nothing to bring to the party and are getting wearisome. In fact I'll not respond to your goading again until you manage to make an intelligent post that is worth a response.

Sysagent's far more accurate and informed. Read his opinions please.

As opposed to your witty and well-thought responses?

As in all walks of life, you can't disagree with someone who is convinced they're right, so I'll ignore you're snide, bitter responses, and carry on posting on the topic at hand.

[Gav]

I think we should all have a day off hammering the manager and talking about his possible successor, with it being cup semi final day and all that.

Lets think positive thoughts, difficult I know but give it a go

[philipl]

It is not a big field but there are decent options out there. Scarcity of alternative managers is not a factor that would stay the hand of the board in parting with Sam if that is what it comes down to in my opinion.

A factor to be considered in all this is whether Sam still wants the hassle of managing the Rovers. The sort of health scare Sam has had is often a life-changing event.

[Amo]

There's nothing to suggest Bilic is a PL manager, so to call him the "ideal candidate" at any point seems strange.

There was nothing to suggest that about Hughes, either. In terms of following that formula, Bilic fitted the bill over the likes of Ince and Shearer.

[Kelbo]

Now, I rather feel we are getting into little spats on here, to hell with it, we have to be together as a team, us the players and management, I am happy to discuss matters with everyone in football, but like Clough always said, 'if players arent happy with things, they come and speak to me, we have a discussion and decide I was right'

Good philosophy and good man management, that was Clough!!

But he is not available, so we cant have him but we have Sam for the time being and whilst he is here lets try and give him a hand, Ewood is like a bloody morgue!!

Come on you Blues!!

[Bazrakats]

The main problem it seems with this whole thing is money. If we get rid of Sam then whoever we do get to come in (has to be unemployed as its very likely we will have no money to comepensate another side for their manager) they may want to bring in their own staff which means more compo for the backroom staff. Anyone know how long Sams contract is for?

[Jackson]

I'm glad somebody else sees that he would be a good manager for us. With all due respect to the Dutch league, it is nowhere near how it was in the mid 90's, the Premiership is the place to be and I think McClaren would be a good choice amongst the players and eventually the fans. I think he'd join us, worth 'tapping up' surely just in case BS doesn't work out.

Who cares what he did when having to work with those useless, overpaid, idiots who seem incpable of working together anyway.

I'd have him here tomorrow.

[T4E]

There was nothing to suggest that about Hughes, either. In terms of following that formula, Bilic fitted the bill over the likes of Ince and Shearer.

Did you read the rest of my post?

What an odd response.

[my_name_is_Earl]

I think Sam has one more year left after this one so it shouldn't cost to much. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

[47er]

I'm glad somebody else sees that he would be a good manager for us. With all due respect to the Dutch league, it is nowhere near how it was in the mid 90's, the Premiership is the place to be and I think McClaren would be a good choice amongst the players and eventually the fans. I think he'd join us, worth 'tapping up' surely just in case BS doesn't work out.

But Boro fans couldn't stand him and he had far more support from his Board in the transfer market than is available to a Rovers manager now. Personally I thought he was a twit.

It was more of an exercise on what type of progress Sam would have to make to keep me in his corner. I went through and did the math based on how we should be reasonably expected to do each game. It is now perfectly likely that we'll end the season under 40 points, which I would not have believed 5 months ago. Even though we might stay up with a 36-39 point total, I'll have lost faith with Sam, anyway if that is how the season ends. I also think John Williams giving Sam 2 games to re-assure the board is perfectly reasonable, though it should have been kept quiet.

If I had been asked at the beginning of the season how I thought we'd do, I would have said 52-54 points, so our current range is a bit of a let down. Now I think/hope we will end between 42-44 points.

I said at the start of the season I'd be disappointed if we didn't finish 12th. We are currently 13th! However nos14 downwards are much too close for comfort. A revival could see us finish around there though but fans would still be dissatisfied about how we'd got there.