[Archived] Enough Is Enough

[ABBEY]

I'm as frustrated as anyone but the anti-Allardyce brigade need to consider that we have been in decline for some time. This isn't anyone's fault, not the board's nor the manager's. It's very depressing but unfortunately we don't have the cash to compete at the top end.

it is the fault of whoever tells them to lump it !!!!

when they play footy we look good.

[BPF]

If Sam was sacked tomorrow we would go down - absolutely guaranteed.

If that is true, then we are going down regardless of whether he goes or stays.

[rebelmswar]

There is always rafa benitez. Liverpool would probably let us take him off their hands for a fiver! Haha.

He would be perfect, we all know how good he is with money.

I don’t think Patton could inspire this bunch.

I am so scared for our club at the moment, it seemed that we had a star player in other seasons.

This season it is Dunn (all credit to him, he is doing well) but, Jesus! Our hopes rest on his fitness and ability to remain uninjured?

I love the unlucky Croatian lad, and he will be great but, I fear where the quality is going to come from. I cant see it.

Sacking Sam seems right but it would only answer one problem, the tactics would change but our players would remain the same.

We need some signings as well. The players look and act like they know they are in no danger of loosing their place. There is no competition for places, Andrews only fear of being dropped is if we rearange the whole midfield. He is out for a game and then in again.

What to do?

[S15]

it is the fault of whoever tells them to lump it !!!!

when they play footy we look good.

I must say this is what staggers me the most. I totally agree that when we start knocking it around we look twice the team, and why on earth we don't start games with this mentality is beyond me, and I think football is the only way Allardyce can save his job now.

[modes98]

Not a single name that inspires from the unattached list to be honest.

In which case you are looking at already employed lower league managers or sticking with Sam.

[John]

Think some are being a little casual in saying he must go asap. There is a cost involved in sacking somebody, plus if we want a manager already in a job, that would cost too - money which we don't have. Some will argue that the cost of relegation would be higher, but looking at our fixtures, there is (just) enough games left where we can salvage enough points to be safe. I don't feel that comfortable about our situation, but think we will be OK.

The main problem for me is replacing Sam there are some really guff managers out there, plus going back to when Hughes/Ince left, the managers interested in the job made you cringe. The only way you could be suitably satisfied (if Sam was to go) is Hughes on a short term deal (which is unlikely), to get us out of the mire even then, he would never want a long stay at the club, he is too big for that now.

Whilst the manager can/should be blamed, there is no hiding the fact that the lack of investment over the years is beginning to tell. There is genuine lack of quality in our squad currently and whoever the manager is, that wont change.

For all those advocating more free flowing, attacking football. The reason why it appears we can pass the ball at times, is because we revert to that style of play, especially at home, usually when we have gone a goal down. Usually the opposition are sitting off us and are happy for us to pass it around, therefore there is more space and less opportunity to make mistakes. We simply dont have the quality/personnel to play too much stuff on the deck IMO. However, I do agree there is too much long ball played.

[Dan]

I must say this is what staggers me the most. I totally agree that when we start knocking it around we look twice the team, and why on earth we don't start games with this mentality is beyond me, and I think football is the only way Allardyce can save his job now.

This is why we need to get rid. He WON'T change. He had a cup tie yesterday, no pressure of the league, we needed to take at least a goal lead to villa. After Mondays appauling display, he had a chance to redeem himself. We were underdogs, so a little less pressure. If we'd played 90 minutes of the 2nd half standard and lost, then I personally would not have been anywhere near as angry as I was/am. Villa are a hard team to beat, all I wanted us to do is give it everything and make Villa have to fight for a victory. Not stand off tuck for 45 minutes! He didn't learn from Monday and started the sane way, even though it has been proved 100% it doesn't work here. It'll be the same on Sunday, he'll probably throw Andrews in too, just to annoy us some more. Sam must know the fans are unhappy and want us to play the game properly and attack, but chooses not to care. He won't change.

Answer me this, as bad as his possible replacements are, how the hell can they do worse than he is doing? He is playing a system that doesn't work and picking the wrong players. We are regularly getting embarrassed. Results have flattered us, we are much worse than our league position.

[Dan]

Think some are being a little casual in saying he must go asap. There is a cost involved in sacking somebody, plus if we want a manager already in a job, that would cost too - money which we don't have. Some will argue that the cost of relegation would be higher, but looking at our fixtures, there is (just) enough games left where we can salvage enough points to be safe. I don't feel that comfortable about our situation, but think we will be OK.

The main problem for me is replacing Sam – there are some really guff managers out there, plus going back to when Hughes/Ince left, the managers interested in the job made you cringe. The only way you could be suitably satisfied (if Sam was to go) is Hughes on a short term deal (which is unlikely), to get us out of the mire – even then, he would never want a long stay at the club, he is too big for that now.

Whilst the manager can/should be blamed, there is no hiding the fact that the lack of investment over the year’s is beginning to tell. There is genuine lack of quality in our squad currently and whoever the manager is, that won’t change.

For all those advocating more free flowing, attacking football. The reason why it appears we can pass the ball at times, is because we revert to that style of play, especially at home, usually when we have gone a goal down. Usually the opposition are sitting off us and are happy for us to pass it around, therefore there is more space and less opportunity to make mistakes. We simply don’t have the quality/personnel to play too much stuff on the deck IMO. However, I do agree there is too much long ball played.

Do you think we can definitely win enough points by only playing 45 minutes a match? I'm not sure we can. We like passing football, but if Sam's tactics were resulting in lots of chances to score and goals then everyone would be a lot happier. I'd take any style of football if it got us 40 points. The football we are playing is a far cry from that at Bolton. We don't play long passes like they did, the players that hoof it may as well close their eyes when they are kicking. If a ball falls to a forward it is down to luck rather than an accurate long ball. We are playing roulette football! We make the old Wimbledon look like Brazil.

If Sam started playing a more attacking game and playedca style which involved more tjan 1 attacker at once I'm sure we'd get the results. I'd be happy with that. I'm not asking for sexy football, just successful football. We could have played for 24 hours with the tactics of the Citeh game and the first half of the Villa game and wouldn't score! Even Torres and Shearer in his prime would have struggled to beat an entire defence on their own with no support or service.

[John]

Do you think we can definitely win enough points by only playing 45 minutes a match?

I think if we can keep our key players fit, we should be fine (in terms of staying up). Our player of the season, Dunny, has been missing over the past 2 months. Risky I know to rely on Dunn (and Grella) to stay fit.

If we could wheel and deal in the window, by selling someone, then could bring in a central midfielder, then even better.

The only way I would advocate sacking Sam is if he has completely lost the dressing room (which may or may not be the case).

May I add, I am not 100% happy with this management, however I think its best overall that he stays on. I just don't see any viable alternative.

[RevidgeBlue]

however I think its best overall that he stays on. I just don't see any viable alternative.

Whilst the top and bottom of this is that we probably can't afford to sack him, I think that's just as blase an argument as "Sack Sam asap"

No-one could do any worse tbh. Are we REALLY saying there's no-one out there that could equal or better a run of five points from forty eight away from home? And if you're being harsh, the one win we got in all that time was when he wasn't in charge.

Another factor that I don't think anyone has mentioned is that when things aren't working out for a manager, he seems to get all sorts of bad luck and can't buy a result or a break for love nor money. A new man comes in and inexplicably without the team playing any better and for no real reason he can do no wrong for a short period getting all sorts of lucky breaks his predecesor would have died for.

We saw that when Ince was sacked and Sam came in. Inside a few minutes Stoke conceded a needless penalty getting us on our way. Sometimes a change of manager brings a change in luck as well as everything else involved.

The bottom line though is probably as Kamy says, all this is just conjecture and we're stuck with Sam for the time being at least for better or worse.

[Lytham]

I'm not impressed by the lynch mob mentality which is building up steam on here. In fact I've given up reading the messageboard very often, so hideously negative is some of the nonsense on here. I object to some of the more shrill voices of protest insisting that " everyone " wants Sam Allardyce out. I don't.

We're 13th, not cut adrift at the bottom. He did a great job from a very difficult starting position last year. We were building nicely this year until Dunn got injured. We've reached the semifinal of the Carling Cup. We've beaten Aston Villa and a strong Chelsea side. We spend very little in comparison to virtually every other Premiership club. What do people realistically expect ?

Sam is too cautious. He is too fond of the 451 formation. He is not perfect. No manager is. But the weight of evidence in my view is that we would be more likely to get a manager in his place that is less well equipped to keep us in the Premiership than Sam Allardyce , rather than one who is better. The grass is always greener for some fans . If fans campaign to get Sam Allardyce sacked and his replacement takes us down, they will be partly responsible. Be careful what you wish for.

I'm glad that none of the members of the suicide squad on here will ever get anywhere near managing a football club, especially this one. With their level of emotional fortitude we'd have been relegated by the end of November.

Fans are entitled to complain, of course they are, but for goodness sake try and do what supporters are supposed to do, and support the team and the manager. Starting on Sunday.

[John]

Whilst the top and bottom of this is that we probably can't afford to sack him, I think that's just as blase an argument as "Sack Sam asap"

It is not an argument, stating we cannot afford to sack Sam, it is very likely to be a deterrent to it actually happening.

So your view is sack him and bring anyone else in? You are automatically presuming, that a Peter Reid or Paul Jewell, would definitely have a honeymoon period, with guaranteed luck, what if they didn't?

[RevidgeBlue]

Fair comment Lytham.

Two points I would make though: the "we're in 13th" point is extremely tenuous given there are so many teams within three points of each other and we have played one, or even two more games than the rest. The situation would probably look quite different once everyone's caught up.

Secondly, just because Sam was the man at Bolton years ago, doesn't automatically mean he is still the man now.

[Majiball]

OF COURSE MONEY EFFECTS US ON THE PITCH - FFS!! MONEY EFFECTS A LITTLE CLUB LIKE OURS FROM THE TOP TO BLOODY BOTTOM AND WE...HAVENT...GOT..ANY...CASH!!!!

If Sam was sacked tomorrow we would go down - absolutely guaranteed.

Why cant people understand this. Sam isnt going anywhere, not unless he retires so we will all just have to be grown up, get behind the team and live with it.

Firstly you might want to re-read the post to try and get the point. I'll make it simple, IF the only factor for keeping him is money then he should go.

I do not see why sacking Sam ensures our relegation. I can only assume your related to Marty Mcfly as I struggle for others I can think off with a time machine. I'll guarantee you one thing though, on our current form we will go down, something must change.

Unfortunately whether you like it or not football is now in the entertainment business, you can talk about sticking through things, the good and the bad times but thats just not the way society works. They either just go do something else or go somewhere else, all that good work with the ticket prices and its all in danger of failing.

[Kelbo]

Am I the only one who thought Dunny looked a lot overweight yesterday!

His sharpness had gone!!

[broadsword]

Probably depressed by playing for the Inspector Clouseau of managers.

Been injured and gorged himself on pies.

Understandable.

[Lytham]

Your first point is fair, I nearly included that caveat myself. I would add another. The 3-0 defeats away to Fulham and Everton and the 4, 5 and 6 goal capitulations to the big clubs are not acceptable either.

On your second point, I would say that I'm judging his ability on how he has been since he came to Blackburn. People forget just how dire the situation was when he arrived and how quickly and adeptly he turned it around.

There are no guarantees that Allardyce ( or anyone else ) can keep us up or push us on. But making decisions is all about measuring probabilities.

[rebelmswar]

Probably depressed by playing for the Inspector Clouseau of managers.

Been injured and gorged himself on pies.

Understandable.

Also remember it was the Christmas Xmas Winter holidays Solstice time.

Lots of parties and hearty meals.

[broadsword]

Oooops, I dunn it again baby!

Just one more pie, just a leeetle one!

I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but imagine being a player, believing your manager is not very good at all, and that because of this, you start every game at a disadvantage, and that he asks you to play in a way that means you get no enjoyment whatsoever form what you do. Would that not be the most de-motivating thing ever?

Would you really struggle to care?

would you perhaps end up having a sneaky pie or two, knowing it was verboten, but thinking it's not really gonna make things any worse than they currently are?

[RevidgeBlue]

It is not an argument, stating we cannot afford to sack Sam, it is very likely to be a deterrent to it actually happening.

So your view is sack him and bring anyone else in? You are automatically presuming, that a Peter Reid or Paul Jewell, would definitely have a honeymoon period, with guaranteed luck, what if they didn't?

No, it's the "There's no-one better" argument I find blase.

Somewhere out there there will be.

We wouldn't have to hire Reid/Jewell etc etc.

[broadsword]

No, it's the "There's no-one better" argument I find blase.

Somewhere out there there will be.

We wouldn't have to hire Reid/Jewell etc etc.

Indeed.

There's no reason to persevere with someone just because it seems difficult to get someone better.

Jesus wept, the landlord at the Deal Hoy could do a better job at the minute.

[Lytham]

I think there's every reason to persevere with someone because it would be difficult to find someone better. Sounds logical to me.

[RevidgeBlue]

There are no guarantees that Allardyce ( or anyone else ) can keep us up or push us on. But making decisions is all about measuring probabilities.

Exactly right. That's exactly what the Board have to gauge.

Are we more likely to stay up if we stick with him or get rid?. Is there a significant danger of getting rid, forking out a shedload in compensation and going down anyway?

As regards Sam's performance here, as most people will recall, although we stayed up, I wasn't overly impressed last season either. In fact I've been criticised many a time on here for being negative so I'm probably not viewing current events as being quite such "a blip" as you are.

[broadsword]

I think there's every reason to persevere with someone because it would be difficult to find someone better. Sounds logical to me.

But that's not what I said.

It might SEEM difficult, but you have to try. Especially when there is so much at stake and there is so little to be satisfied about right now.

If this is as good as it gets, then how much longer do we have until relegation?

[ABBEY]

Exactly right. That's exactly what the Board have to gauge.

Are we more likely to stay up if we stick with him or get rid?. Is there a significant danger of getting rid, forking out a shedload in compensation and going down anyway?

As regards Sam's performance here, as most people will recall, although we stayed up, I wasn't overly impressed last season either. In fact I've been criticised many a time on here for being negative so I'm probably not viewing current events as being quite such "a blip" as you are.

i was of the view needs must last year and tbh it was a mixture of hoof and footy,this year its 90% hoof but the 10% looks good....but every hoof you know and the opps know its heading for the pen spot at whatever angle it may be.