[Archived] Enough Is Enough

[Tom]

I think its time for him to go, especially if we fail to win at least one of the two games left this week.

Who to bring in?

Souness/Tugay, Sven, Waggy, Bilic (no chance I know), Laudrup, me, Grooby, Shearer and Newell, Papa Bouba Diop, Niki Papivasilou.

Any of those will do.

[Hi Mack]

SOOOOUUUUUNNNNNEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Today was embarassing....Our style of play is diabolical, Its amateur.

Sam will NOT get sacked, we dont have the funds to get rid!

If a manager cannot see the glaringly obviuos should he be getting paid?

Andrews? Hoofball? How long can people take it? I still go to most matches

and could have gone tonight but werent desperate due to the fact Footballs suppose to

be enjoyable.....I certainly dont want to be paying £35 to watch an inept team surrender

and get beat 4-1, Its all to predictable. Did anyone seriously think we'd get anything

tonight its the standard -3 goal loss!

SORT IT!

[Mr Maureen]

People have lost the plot here, but I dont blame them.

The only person who has lost the plot is he who said he would take Megson over Allardyce.

[MarkBRFC71]

What about these:

Michael Laudrup - available, was courted by Atletico Madrid

Martin Jol - at Ajax, but might fancy another crack at the Premiership

Alan Curbishley - available but better than BFS?

Simon Grayson - Up and coming, ex-Rover but would need to compensate Leeds

Mike Newell - available but good enough?

Mark Hughes - obvious connections, short-term contract?

Anyone else?

[hollowsr]

I think its time for him to go, especially if we fail to win at least one of the two games left this week.

Who to bring in?

Souness/Tugay, Sven, Waggy, Bilic (no chance I know), Laudrup, me, Grooby, Shearer and Newell, Papa Bouba Diop, Niki Papivasilou.

Any of those will do.

I like the Grooby idea! Is always honest and doesn't cover the rubbish football and calls it what it is.

Seriously though I would try with Hughes till the end of the season and then maybe see if Bowen is up for the job after that!

[Bobby G]

I can name a few other suggestions towards the same. Reid, Curbishley, Colin Hendry, Shearer, etc...

[Tris]

We are paying the price for massive under-investment by the owners. We have never recovered from losing Bentley. If we can hang on this season we will be facing the same situation next. We are a Premier League side with a Championship budget.

Absolute rubbish. Why should they pump money into your hobby / my hobby? It's not their bloody hobby.

We're paying the price for a sh1t manager who doesn't know how to use the talent on the books. Stop defending the indefensible.

[MarkBRFC71]

It won't, we can't afford to sack him.

And if we are looking like we are going down, then we can't afford to NOT sack him.

[MeanGreenMachine]

What about these:

Michael Laudrup - available, was courted by Atletico Madrid

Martin Jol - at Ajax, but might fancy another crack at the Premiership

Alan Curbishley - available but better than BFS?

Simon Grayson - Up and coming, ex-Rover but would need to compensate Leeds

Mike Newell - available but good enough?

Mark Hughes - obvious connections, short-term contract?

Anyone else?

McClaren - Did a average to good job at Boro, brought through a fantastic bunch of youngsters. Failed with England but gone to Holland and is a sucess

Sven - Was a sucess at City, things look to be going tits up at county, maybe a deal till the end of the season would tempt him.

[beerwins]

The only person who has lost the plot is he who said he would take Megson over Allardyce.

That would have been Zulu a Bolton fan as I recall.

[Zulu]

That would have been Zulu a Bolton fan as I recall.

I think you'll find it's a member who rejoices in the name Inta Beaver actually.

[RovertheHill]

Posted this on the Sam thread but Setanta can't get an interview with Sam as weve boarded ourselves in the dressing room..not even JW can get in according to them.

Sounds like fireworks.

Be interesting to know what's been said - wonder if any of Nicko's contacts will know tomorrow?

[Miker]

(This was meant for Topman's thread, but looks like it's been deleted, so I'll post here)

Stats for some perspective:

Poor runs of form in the past 3 seasons

Under Hughes (Nov3-Dec27)

W1 D3 L5 - 6 points in 9 games

Under Ince (Oct4-Dec13)

W0 D3 L8 - 3 points in 11 games

Under Sam (Nov25-Jan11)

W0 D5 L4 - 5 points in 9 games

Topman highlighted our problems well, but if sacking Sam is the answer then I don't agree. One of these threads or conversations about Sam "having to go NOW" (or something related to that) starts up every time we lose a game by 2 goals or more. So, honestly, we might as well sack Sam because it's just ridiculous. He's had no backing from the fans since day 1. People were on his back from pre-season and don't try to deny it. So just fire him because we can't go on with this. Bring in another manager, who will keep us up and then fans can turn on that guy again next season when he has no money to improve the squad and we're left with the same problems as under Sam.

The solution to all this of course, is to hire a team of hot female porn stars for managers who will offer hot sex to the players if they win games. Hey it's a bit unorthodox, but it's not any more ridiculous than some of the suggestions given here in the past.

[Mattyblue]

Well I've defended him time and again this season, can't do it anymore. I am seeing no improvements over a year into his reign.

No better than Ince, yes we are not blessed with quality but Allardyce is getting NOTHING out of the players at his disposal.

On the Birdy Bus as I write and those around me have well and truely turned against him. A bad start to either of the upcoming home games and I sense out and out revolt.

[PAFELL]

I think Sam letting Tugay go was the first and biggest mistake, Tugay was creative, influential, passionate and most of all he was able to offer a plan b when things werent going our way, now we have no plan b at all.

You cant replace the one player that gave us so much with a young lad who shouldnt even be starting full games at his age.

We have no creativity and now he even wants to get shot of Benni, I could understand this if his military style of football was working but it isnt.

Tugay would have still walked into this team.

Come on Tugay was a master at what he did. Becasue of age, his fitness was going. I would have hated to watch a tugay being torn apart by the young and up coming players of today. Sorry but he was a legend for this club, would you really want to turn aganst him because of age hampering his ability - because that is what you would end up doing. Ok he would still be better than Andrews - but too much of a price to pay - Tugay was a Rovers legend. Keeping Tugay on the coaching staff - that is a different matter. Though I would not call him an example to players - he smoked more that i ever did. Give Tugay a role in the club, but the time to finish, had sadly arrived.

[philipl]

re Miker's analysis:

Hughes was turning the ship around with purpose.

Both Ince and Allardyce had/have lost the confidence of the fans and are sending out utterly clueless teams playing abysmal football. The noises behind the scenes about Allardyce are nothing as bad as the total shambles Ince was presiding over but there are some stories coming out which make me groan at the arrogance and stupidity of Sam.

The Allardce run is especially worrying as none of the Big 4 have been played in this run and the fixtures on paper were the ones which looked like the games we were going to climb the table with plenty of wins.

[Tom]

(This was meant for Topman's thread, but looks like it's been deleted, so I'll post here)

Stats for some perspective:

Poor runs of form in the past 3 seasons

Under Hughes (Nov3-Dec27)

W1 D3 L5 - 6 points in 9 games

Under Ince (Oct4-Dec13)

W0 D3 L8 - 3 points in 11 games

Under Sam (Nov25-Jan11)

W0 D5 L4 - 5 points in 9 games

Topman highlighted our problems well, but if sacking Sam is the answer then I don't agree. One of these threads or conversations about Sam "having to go NOW" (or something related to that) starts up every time we lose a game by 2 goals or more. So, honestly, we might as well sack Sam because it's just ridiculous. He's had no backing from the fans since day 1. People were on his back from pre-season and don't try to deny it. So just fire him because we can't go on with this. Bring in another manager, who will keep us up and then fans can turn on that guy again next season when he has no money to improve the squad and we're left with the same problems as under Sam.

The solution to all this of course, is to hire a team of hot female porn stars for managers who will offer hot sex to the players if they win games. Hey it's a bit unorthodox, but it's not any more ridiculous than some of the suggestions given here in the past.

Please don't take this personally Miker as it isn't a dig, but it's easier to say that sat overseas.

When you have a season tickeet and go every other week to come away feeling violated at times it gets to the stage when enough really is enough

[joey_big_nose]

Grayson has to be a realistic option I would imagine? Ex player, a two division step up and it is pretty much impossible that he would get a bigger job than us at the moment.

Has anyone worked out the compensation that Allardyce would be due?

If we do sack Allardyce (at least 4 games away now imo but starting to look plausible) we have to be utterly sure whoever comes in has quality about them. So no Curbs or Megsons etc. Someone with ideas and hunger for the game. One of the main issues with Sam is that he looks seriously jaded.

If we just want to stay up and then make a decision in the summer I would stick with Allardyce as we won't go down under him despite tonights shambolic performance I think. Changing things up for the sake of it is more risky.

No knee jerk appointments.

[DE.]

It's not having a bad run that is frustrating a lot of people, myself included, it is the nature of our performances week-in, week-out. Our players just don't turn up, and our tactics are pessimistic from the get go.

You'd have to be blind to not see there is a problem both on the pitch and off it. The situation is becoming untenable, and if we fail to win one of our next two league games I foresee very dark times for this club

[Amo]

(This was meant for Topman's thread, but looks like it's been deleted, so I'll post here)

It was merged into the first page of this thread by those meddling kids.

[RovertheHill]

but there are some stories coming out which make me groan at the arrogance and stupidity of Sam.

What stories?

[rebelmswar]

If we sack Sam you can kiss goodbye any dream of transfers.

Probably have to sell Samba to fund it.

[Inta Beaver]

I think you'll find it's a member who rejoices in the name Inta Beaver actually.

I've said it with sarcasim! I'd take anyone over Sam at the min! I would love Hughes as a temp with Tugay as his number 2

[doctorryan]

Time for a poll?

How about a coup instead, preferably somewhere in Jersey.

[braddock]

if haven't read any posts in here since i'm too ###### off. i'll just make my point and leave.

I really dislike Allardyce. He did well keeping us up last season, and i believe he was the right man for the job and a good appointment by the board. We had very little option given the circumstances. Now he persists in playing long ball from the start. This is very effective when applied correctly, however this style does not suit our players.

Whilst we have never been the best footballing team in the world in previous years under Hughes we have mixed both strong tackling and a little bit of football here and there when we can.

When Hughes first took over the main emphasis was to stop up (much like it was when Allardyce took charge). Hughes made the team fight and though it wasn't pretty, it was effective enough to keep us up and the team looked hungry. Allardyce did the same last season. Under Hughes, however, things changed once he had stabilised us. We adopted a new style and played to our strengths, which was not the kind of football we had been forced to play with when Hughes first came in charge since he had begun to take us forward.

Allardyce is now playing with a large amount of players from that era, who aren't there simply to boot the ball up. Surely it would be better to play to their strengths. Unfortunately, until we go 3-0 down we stick with the big boot upfield almost every time. We use the long throw (even though we have only scored from one long throw since Allardyce took charge). The way he plays is acceptable, but boring when it pays off, and we wouldn't be able to complain given the amount of funds the club has, but when it doesn't pay off (like it isn't doing for Allardyce at the moment), what is the point with persisting with it?

In the second half we created a few chances and at least looked a little dangerous (although admittedly this was no doubt also due to City taking their foot off the gas), and that is the football they can play given the chance. Likewise we have done well in the League Cup (using a different setup than we do in the league), simply by playing a bit more football and not sticking with the long ball up every time.

Perhaps the most embarrassing part about the whole thing is that we aren't even making it effective. Several times tonight Man City played the long ball, and played it well. Either as a through ball for someone to run on to, or dropped short into Tevez's chest. They did not do as we did and simply hit it as high as possible towards the lone striker, making it almost impossible for him to get any control over the ball at all. And even if he does, he has little support. Blackburn Rovers team at the moment, when playing at their capability are a 10-12th position team. When we have a bad season we would be 13-16th. Anything less is a disaster on the managers part. If we have a great season we have an outside chance of a european push, like we did under Hughes, though this is very unlikely as each season goes by given other clubs improvement.

As long as he keeps us up (and i fully expect him to if it comes down to a relegation fight) he will not be sacked, and in the meantime he will begin to mould the team into players which suit his style. This will undo all the work that has been put into the club since our promotion under Souness. Once he has a heart attack he will leave, and it will be a Megson who'll have to come in and take charge of a team who only know one way of football - Sams style. In the next three years, if we are still in the division, we will have moved backwards ten years in terms of progress.