[Archived] Time Up Pompey?

[thenodrog]

I think at this stage of the season the FA would step in and keep the club running until the end of the season. The only other option would be to void all Pompey games.

I really hope they don't go out of business, I've no feeling for Pompey but imagine if it was our club? Imagine life without football! If it was the Rovers going out of business I wouldn't be able to support another team.

Be tough but in the greater scheme of things it wouldn't matter. I've often said that there are far too many professional clubs in this country. I'd wager Hampshire United would succeed where Pompey and Soton have failed?

[unluckymorton]

Be tough but in the greater scheme of things it wouldn't matter. I've often said that there are far too many professional clubs in this country. I'd wager Hampshire United would succeed where Pompey and Soton have failed?

That's like Rovers and dingles joining forces! Hampshire Divided more like!

[Amo]

Surely the FA should take some responsibility for Pompey's situation, as well?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Surely the FA should take some responsibility for Pompey's situation, as well?

You would think so, how the hell did their current owner and previous owner manage to pass this "Fit and Proper" test?

[Kai]

something is bugging me greatly if Pompey are wound up by HMRC and they go bust why would everyone else be docked points. That bit is a bit confusing as we have already played that game and now it's gone and if that is the case it seems as though are faint chances of getting in Europe will be seriously harmed. Seems a bit odd to me can someone please explain how it all works and why everyone will be docked points? thanks.

I guess everyone will be docked points because some teams haven't had the chance to play them (Portsmouth) yet and so it's a bit unfair on those terms. For example, we've played Pompey and won but say if (I'know they haven't) Hull have played them already twice and beaten them twice... how is it fair on us if we don't get the 2nd chance to play Pompey for our other 3 points? This case will only happen should Portsmouth disappear completely - if they just go into adminstration and keep going, then it all carries on as normal I think.

[CaliRoverNYC]

Is there any way the EPL could take control of the team just to finish out the season and then disband them... It seems the TV monies and subsequent Parachute payments that Pompey would otherwise be given would be enough to pay there players and manager and staff until the end of the season.

[CaliRoverNYC]

I looked but couldn't find any comments on the subject.

What would happen to the players if Pompey collapsed? a few are playing for World Cup spots at the moment... 2 or 3 africans and David James... Could be the death of James as far as being England's number one in SA.

[Brfcrule1]

I looked but couldn't find any comments on the subject.

What would happen to the players if Pompey collapsed? a few are playing for World Cup spots at the moment... 2 or 3 africans and David James... Could be the death of James as far as being England's number one in SA.

good question Cali just what I was thinking also maybe Nicko can give us some insight if they go into administration then go bust (are wound up) like the Halifax town case a few years back would all their players become free transfers for whoever wants them & would that mean would could maybe get KP Boateng,Belhadj for free?

thanks nicko for all the info

[super_arran]

http://www.pfcfinancialservices.co.uk/home/

oh the irony

[Kelbo]

I looked but couldn't find any comments on the subject.

What would happen to the players if Pompey collapsed? a few are playing for World Cup spots at the moment... 2 or 3 africans and David James... Could be the death of James as far as being England's number one in SA.

good question Cali just what I was thinking also maybe Nicko can give us some insight if they go into administration then go bust (are wound up) like the Halifax town case a few years back would all their players become free transfers for whoever wants them & would that mean would could maybe get KP Boateng,Belhadj for free?

thanks nicko for all the info

Simple, the players would become free agents and could sign for any club they wanted, they would not be contracted to a particular club, the transfer window is not applicable in those cases!

Another pproblem arises here, normally, season tickets are printed and ready by the end of the current season, discounts for early purchases etc are given to help a clubs cashflow through the summer, when clubs have no turnover of income!!

Would you buy one if your club was in such a state with the opportunity of the administrators taking your cash and running!!

[thenodrog]

You would think so, how the hell did their current owner and previous owner manage to pass this "Fit and Proper" test?

Prob because no one else wanted anything to do with the club.

Rum do for Pompey this. I don't think anyone will argue that Portsmouth have had a poor firesale. No doubt players and agents would be milking the desperate situation and wanting backhanders out of any transfer fee to leave. So where do they go now?

[LeChuck]

Simple, the players would become free agents and could sign for any club they wanted, they would not be contracted to a particular club, the transfer window is not applicable in those cases!

Not true. Players have to be without a club when the window shuts to move outside the transfer window. If they leave their club outside of the window then they have to wait until the next window to sign for a new club.

I have to say that at least once every transfer window!

[longsiders1882]

Surely on that table both Hull and Burnley should move up?

In terms of the EPL - they did pass some powers that would enable them to effectively run a club I believe. That said, how practical that is I'm not sure. Would hardly seem fair to other clubs that, what is in effect, their income is being used to prop up another club.

HMRC have been after a big scalp to force the football creditors rule to be reviewed for a few years. They almost got Leeds, now they have Pompey in their sights.

[modes98]

Surely the FA should take some responsibility for Pompey's situation, as well?

I don't see why to be honest. Pompey got themselves into the mess by paying high transfer fees and high wages. If they want to have short term success then they will pay the price in the longer term.

The PL and FA can't look after everyone's finances.

Peter Storrie is the one who has vetted and decided these "money men" and decided they are the right ones for the club. He is to blame.

[T4E]

Not true. Players have to be without a club when the window shuts to move outside the transfer window. If they leave their club outside of the window then they have to wait until the next window to sign for a new club.

I have to say that at least once every transfer window!

Whilst I sympathise (I think I say the same with the sam frequency), I don't think that rule would apply in this situation. Pompey being void from all records would mean that they effectively never existed, therefore the players didnt have a club at the end of the window, and would be considered free agents that could sign for anyone they wanted.

I think.

[Radagast]

I seem to remember the SPL paying to keep Gretna afloat for the rest of the 2007-2008 season when it became clear they had no chance of staying in business on their own in order to keep the integrity of the league intact. After that they were left to fend for themselves and of course went bust.

I'd assume if it came to it the Premier League would do the same for Portsmouth.

[philipl]

Doubt it Radagast- the numbers are too big. Pompey are going under for about 50 Gretnas.

Pompey will call in the Administrators which gives them creditor protection and the Administrators will see them through the remainder of the season.

[Seggie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiorentina

Now I know the source isn't the best but if you read from the Cecchi Gori era you basicly get a story of a football club that lived beyond its means and subsequently returned to the top(Albeit in a corrupt system) Now Im not suggesting if Pompey were wound up they would return quite as quickly as they would probably have to start again in the Southern equivelent of the North West Counties league but the Fiorentina case proves that big clubs can go bust.

On another note I can't see them going completly going to the wall, however if they do go into Administration and take the points penalty this penalty will only come into effect this season if it has an effect on them staying up otherwise it would be carried over to next season. This was the case with their good friends at Southampton last season who started the league 1 season with a 10pt penalty.

[longsiders1882]

I'm not sure on the points thing.

It was introduced only by the football league so not even sure if the Prem ever adopted it. Under football league rules timing on admin was everything. I think if you go into admin now in the league the penalty applies this season but yes there is a cut off date for this when the penalty is carried over if it has no material effect on the current season.

Just on the Prem taking over, this article suggests they can:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-ready-to-take-control-as-penniless-pompey-crash-1796230.html

Now, under rules introduced this month which allow the league to seize control of a club's finances, the Premier League is ready to take over at Portsmouth to stop them slipping into administration.

[stuwilky]

Last time I checked the points deduction in the Premier League for administration was, bizarrely, a 9 point deduction. I havn't checked recently though.

The matter of being dissolved and their playing record is a controversial one, as I have said before, whilst the rules state that the record is simply expunged, there have been a number of cases where this has been over ruled by the FA - Spennymoor United being the prime example.

[longsiders1882]

It seems there is no official Prem penalty for going into admin

http://soccerlens.com/surely-its-a-wind-up/39950/

Not sure if that article is correct but it does confirm that in league terms there is cut off the penalty application of 6 weeks before the end of the season.

[LeChuck]

Last time I checked the points deduction in the Premier League for administration was, bizarrely, a 9 point deduction. I havn't checked recently though.

It's less than the football league because they play 46 games compared to our 38...so a 10 point deduction in the Premier League would effectively be a harsher punishment.

[Stuart]

Any particular reason why you have not moved Burnley up 2 places, so that the league would look correct?

I like to say I was being mischievous but sadly it's just an oversight. That was the third attempt too!

[Seggie]

It seems there is no official Prem penalty for going into admin

http://soccerlens.com/surely-its-a-wind-up/39950/

Not sure if that article is correct but it does confirm that in league terms there is cut off the penalty application of 6 weeks before the end of the season.

I would hope that the league terms are implemented in the Premier league therefore any potential points deduction would carry over into the Championship so there is no incentive for Portsmouth to file for Administration after they are relegated thus avoiding any real sanction that will effect their future.

Reading the blog article Longsider put up I think there should be a uniform method for dealing with clubs from Premier League down to National Non League level(Conf) therefore everything is fair and the sanction should be handed down by the FA rather than the appropiate league.

[rovgers]

I noticed on SSN that the premier league are to hold back 2million pound from portsmouth's transfer money. I think that the league is really worried about Pompey going to the wall and this money could be used to pay the bills at pompey till the end of the season.