[Archived] Potential Summer Transfers (2010)

[DeadlyDirk]

Do we just let Portsmouth do our scouting for strikers or something? We hijacked the Kalinic deal and got him a the last minute, our next best targets are Dindane and Piquionne.

You can't ignore the goals that Dindane has come up with and he has certainly got into the right position a few times to take his chances but I still wonder just how much chance he'd have playing a lone striker role to get in those positions. If we are planning on playing 2 up front then that's a different story but in that case I still feel Kalinic could be the answer in that role.

If Roberts and Kalinic had played up front together this year for the majority of the games then I have no doubt one of them would have ended up with ten goals or so, whether or not we would have finished higher in the league is highly debatable though.

[JamieUK]

Dindane is going to the World Cup with the Ivory Coast. He scored ten [?] goals in a poor side this season. Three teams at least have taken an interest in him in recent weeks.

Piquionne played once for France and managed to shoot a poor side into the FA Cup final.

Neither are great players, but both are decent value.

What, exactly, are you expecting?

I think there is disappointment in that it looked like the 'main' striker was going to be a highly rated youngster (Lewandowski) not 2 players from a poor Portsmouth side.

Personally I'd like to see Dindane here but as someone for the right hand side not as a lone striker. I guess we'll see over the next few months...

I'm not one who usually asks for answers but how soon do you expect us to make a move on our targets?

[beerwins]

Do we just let Portsmouth do our scouting for strikers or something? We hijacked the Kalinic deal and got him a the last minute, our next best targets are Dindane and Piquionne.

You can't ignore the goals that Dindane has come up with and he has certainly got into the right position a few times to take his chances but I still wonder just how much chance he'd have playing a lone striker role to get in those positions. If we are planning on playing 2 up front then that's a different story but in that case I still feel Kalinic could be the answer in that role.

If Roberts and Kalinic had played up front together this year for the majority of the games then I have no doubt one of them would have ended up with ten goals or so, whether or not we would have finished higher in the league is highly debatable though.

Dindane wouldnt play for us as a lone striker not a chance, he would play on one of the wings oppostite to his preffered foot cutting inside the full back.

Sam has already tried this swapping wingers to opposite flanks during the game, its very effective when you do it mid game when the full back has been told to push him out wide, only problem is that our wingers just dont have seem to have got the jist of it yet, I believe that he has been priming Hoillet for this role hence the playing him out on the wings, only problem is Hoillet gets stuck tracking back and is not getting forward fast enough.

Lennon is perfect for this role and I would love to see him doing it in an english shirt this summer as he cant cross for toffee.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Get Heskey in

[Veevs]

Dindane is going to the World Cup with the Ivory Coast. He scored ten [?] goals in a poor side this season. Three teams at least have taken an interest in him in recent weeks.

Piquionne played once for France and managed to shoot a poor side into the FA Cup final.

Neither are great players, but both are decent value.

What, exactly, are you expecting?

Typical we really shot ourselves in the foot with the Dindane deal.. was there for the taking when he could not play for Portsmouth.

I suppose it shows Sam does have an eye for a player though and at least we work on haggling player values down.

Sad to hear us not being more ambitious, but hey at least we wont do a Leeds, Portsmouth, West Ham, Southampton, Hull...

[Veevs]

Do we just let Portsmouth do our scouting for strikers or something? We hijacked the Kalinic deal and got him a the last minute, our next best targets are Dindane and Piquionne.

You can't ignore the goals that Dindane has come up with and he has certainly got into the right position a few times to take his chances but I still wonder just how much chance he'd have playing a lone striker role to get in those positions. If we are planning on playing 2 up front then that's a different story but in that case I still feel Kalinic could be the answer in that role.

If Roberts and Kalinic had played up front together this year for the majority of the games then I have no doubt one of them would have ended up with ten goals or so, whether or not we would have finished higher in the league is highly debatable though.

I think its more of a case that the market is extremely narrow atm, there is a big gap between the clubs that have the money and those that don't.

Take the premier league, we simply cant outbid Birmingham, Arsenal, Villa, Everton, Sunderland, Tottenham, Liverpool, Chelsea, ManU... hell even stoke lol.. they are either bankrolled by big boys or have a large support base.

Its thanks to these clubs that mid tier teams without the support and backing tend to be looking at a certain bracket of player, decent players in a decent price brackets don't grow on trees, so the second a player is offered in this bracket the agents come flocking to us lot (Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Portsmouth of old, Wolves etc..)

This is the obvious case with the likes of Kalinic, Dindane, Chamkh, Piquoinne, Boselli, Janko, Lewandowski, Zigic, Davies, Beatie etc etc... all of them linked to the obvious set of teams and a smattering of Euro teams.

Personally would love us to land a Boselli or Lewandowski.. but neither are proven and Sam already has Kalinic for the long term up front.

Still we have to look at the positives, our youth system seems to of turned into a real gem, and the signings of the likes of Hugo (chuffed to see Salgado involved there, shows he is a Rovers man) will just enforce it that little bit more. Seems pretty obvious to me that we are heavily investing here and thats going to be both costly and a real long term benefit to us much more than spending 8m on a shiny.

Personally I would not be surprised to see JW dip into his pocket for a good up and coming player like Canella, we are looking more to the long term than any other club that I can see in the premier league.

However we need that extra striker so we are going to have to deal.. and as Sam put it we do need someone more proven at this level, so thats one hell of a short list and at 5m Sam obviously thinks Lewandowski is too much of a risk.

My last post I said it was sad to see us not being more ambitious but upon reflection.. we are probably just being more patient than anyone else.

Another element to remember is we do need to fill more than one position.. so 5-8m on a single striker is obviously going to effect who we can afford elsewhere.

[Steve Moss]

Hmmm! now I've got it!! Sam was a CB as a player, so now he is planning to turn Rovers into a team with the finest collection of CB's in the world. I can just see it in about another 3 seasons we will field a team with a keeper and 10 CB's in it, and Sam will be saying to the rest of the PL "now see if you can score against us"

Excellent plan. Go for the clean sheet with the occassional goal from set pieces.

Has it been tried before?

[Bobby G]

Yes, replace one fat 32 year old and possibly another 32 year old with a 31 year old French journeyman, albeit not a fat one.

[Bobby G]

Villa have listed Sidwell, Young, Davies, Beye, Shorey and Reo Coker.

Reo Coker at about 2-3 million would be good business and so would Sidwell. It will add some steel to the midfield. I would be happy with either of them, possibly more so Sidwell.

[nicko]

I'm not one who usually asks for answers but how soon do you expect us to make a move on our targets?

The moves have already begun.

Dindane has been approached by three clubs [i know, I know ] and will probably join one next week. There is a push on this as he is going to the World Cup, so all parties want it done fast.

Piquionne is scheduled to speak to Fulham after the FA Cup final.

So hopefully both will be resolved - one way or another - very shortly.

[alexanders]

The moves have already begun.

Dindane has been approached by three clubs [i know, I know ] and will probably join one next week. There is a push on this as he is going to the World Cup, so all parties want it done fast.

I reckon its us, wolves and bolton?

[LeChuck]

Sidwell is absolutely perfect for what we need. Reo Coker would be excellent too if his personality didn't cause problems.

[nicko]

Sidwell is absolutely perfect for what we need. Reo Coker would be excellent too if his personality didn't cause problems.

There's no point in collecting other people's rubbish.

That's what binmen do.

[alexanders]

There's no point in collecting other people's rubbish.

That's what Newcastle do.

I edited it for you

[LeChuck]

There's no point in collecting other people's rubbish.

That's what binmen do.

I prefer to see it as recycling. It's good for the environment, you know.

Seriously though, we've prospered in the PL by collecting other teams' cast offs and turning them into something useful. By your argument we never would have bought Bentley or Warnock.

Sidwell is a good player, he's just been forced down the pecking order due to the brilliant form of Petrov and Milner.

[Iceman]

rather Sidwell than Crock Grella :-)

Reo Coker would be a good addition too...

[Sparky Marky]

There's no point in collecting other people's rubbish.

That's what binmen do.

Silly Nicko...Samba couldn't get in the Hertha Berlin side and he's a cracking player for us....Sidwell would certainly improve our midfield.

[bennyboyt11]

Sidwell is rubbish.

[joey_big_nose]

I prefer to see it as recycling. It's good for the environment, you know.

Seriously though, we've prospered in the PL by collecting other teams' cast offs and turning them into something useful. By your argument we never would have bought Bentley or Warnock.

Sidwell is a good player, he's just been forced down the pecking order due to the brilliant form of Petrov and Milner.

Sam could get a lot out of Sidwell and Coker I think. Don't buy Niko's line about not 'buying other peoples rubbish'. It's what we do best. Most of our squad is made up of players out of favour or openly for sale from their previous team - we don't have the money to buy players currently in form.

That said both players are probably well outside our wage bracket. Sidwell is said to be on around 50k a week and Coker must be 30k+. Maybe they would take a cut for regular football? The austerity in football that it is it is unlikely anyone will match their current wages.

[Sparky Marky]

Sidwell is rubbish.

Yeah, you're right.

[nicko]

Silly Nicko...Samba couldn't get in the Hertha Berlin side and he's a cracking player for us....Sidwell would certainly improve our midfield.

There were good reasons why Samba wasn't in the Hertha side...you picked him up for sweeties...worked out well.

There are different reasons why Sidwell and Reo-Coker are not in the Villa side...they would cost fortunes and have had their day...whenever that day was.

[67splitscreen]

The problem as I see it, with speculating who we need, we don't really no for sure what Sam is thinking regard our first choice system next season.

Yes we need flexability but we need a starting system that suite the players we have or bring in.

Players that look good in a 4-4-2 don't always perform the same in a 4-5-1 Etc.

As said on numerous occasions Dunn changed the formation last season that Sam had in mind at the beginning of the season and most teams now play with one out and out front man.

i really like the 4-3-3 we have played at times but the players needed for that system IMO need slightly differing qualities to say 4-5-1.

[nicko]

The problem as I see it, with speculating who we need, we don't really no for sure what Sam is thinking regard our first choice system next season.

Yes we need flexability but we need a starting system that suite the players we have or bring in.

Players that look good in a 4-4-2 don't always perform the same in a 4-5-1 Etc.

As said on numerous occasions Dunn changed the formation last season that Sam had in mind at the beginning of the season and most teams now play with one out and out front man.

i really like the 4-3-3 we have played at times but the players needed for that system IMO need slightly differing qualities to say 4-5-1.

I would suggest that the chase for a couple of strikers suggests there may be more variety in the tactics next season rather than just one up front.

But both Piquionne and Dindane can play in different attacking roles. Through the middle, off a big man or wide in a three.

[Sparky Marky]

There were good reasons why Samba wasn't in the Hertha side...you picked him up for sweeties...worked out well.

There are different reasons why Sidwell and Reo-Coker are not in the Villa side...they would cost fortunes and have had their day...whenever that day was.

Both Sidwell and Reo-Coker would improve our team in my opinion. From a financial point of view they're both overrated and overpaid..

[Amo]

Sidwell is exactly the kind of player we should be looking at. With a chance to rebuild his career, he could be just the player our midfield needs. I also think we should snap Darren Ambrose while we can. Crystal Palace are broke and they owe us some money, anyway. He'd make a versatile addition to the squad, especially if Peds is leaving.