[Archived] Potential Summer Transfers (2010)

[braddock]

Id prefer us to try and sign younger players who can develop rather like Coyle seems to be at Bolton

how many young players do you want us to play next season? we already have a substantial amount of younger players coming through. obviously i wouldn't say don't sign any more but it's hardly a priority, especially in midfield.

[T4E]

I swear some people on here; if they found Megan Fox in their bedroom they'd probably complain that she broke in.

:lol:

Guti eh? I'd imagine him to be Salgado's Robin. Sam is the penguin.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Does buying big name players at the end of their career have a positive influence on ticket sales and are there any statistics to prove it? I'm not for or against the signing of Guti but a lot of those who are for it suggest it will put bums on seats. Will it? If I wasn't a Rovers fan I certainly wouldn't bother getting a ticket just to see someone like that play. I'd only be going to Ewood if I fancied seeing a match and would go then whoever Rovers had in the team or whoever they were playing. But I know others think differently and so I wonder i one player would have that big an influence.

After reading the links this morning a few of my friends said if he signs, they would deffo come up with me a few times next season. I think you would be suprised at the impact this would have on our club.

[XLM]

After reading the links this morning a few of my friends said if he signs, they would deffo come up with me a few times next season. I think you would be suprised at the impact this would have on our club.

I'd get myself down from Newcastle to watch him play. No doubt. The thought of seeing Guti in a Rovers shirt is amazing.

[Majiball]

Put it like this, When City signed Robinho, I went along twice to watch him in the flesh. Something I hadn't previously been tempted to do, thats an extra £80.00 in their coffers.

Guti is a household name in football and if Sam can pull it off even at 60K a week it will put a few extra bums on seats. Surely even with him coming we would have some dollar left over as well, Fat Benni's fee and wages should cover most of him. How many on here would have swapped Benni for him back in Jan, all of you I'd wager.

Its well worth the ask and who knows if we can persuade Guti with him and Salgado here Raul may just follow given their strong bonds with each other. We'd get extra fans in Spain as well even with just the one of them.

I don't often give Sam praise because we live at opposite poles of the footballing spectrum but a signing like this is exactly what we need and have done for a while, Well done Big man for trying!!

[tony gale's mic]

What I don't understand is why so many people were so against Salgado signing but so excited about Guti signing.

Both, for me, were about as good as each other in their respective positions in their prime. I saw Salgado as a decent signing at the time and so he's proved to be...nothing hugely exciting but has done a good job for us.

I imagine Guti to be similar, I think it'll take him a few months to get adapted to the English game but once he does I think he'll be a very useful player. However those expecting world class quality in our side will be disappointed as, like Salgado, he's not as good as he used to be.

[PAFELL]

Was unlucky really it was pinged in so fast all he could do is stick out a leg really

Dindane looks a constant threat on the ball I'd love him

at rovers

I was at the game - behind the goal. That ball was hit in so fast and hard there was nothing he could have done about it.

[roversam]

salgado was a far better player in his prime than Guti.

[XLM]

What I don't understand is why so many people were so against Salgado signing but so excited about Guti signing.

Both, for me, were about as good as each other in their respective positions in their prime. I saw Salgado as a decent signing at the time and so he's proved to be...nothing hugely exciting but has done a good job for us.

I imagine Guti to be similar, I think it'll take him a few months to get adapted to the English game but once he does I think he'll be a very useful player. However those expecting world class quality in our side will be disappointed as, like Salgado, he's not as good as he used to be.

It's a little different to Salgado because he still played a lot of games in the last season, in a side that is competing for the title. Also he's a creative midfielder, which is something we've been crying out for since Tugay. So even if we don't sign him, at least we know that BFS acknowledges the need for one.

[Majiball]

What I don't understand is why so many people were so against Salgado signing but so excited about Guti signing.

Both, for me, were about as good as each other in their respective positions in their prime. I saw Salgado as a decent signing at the time and so he's proved to be...nothing hugely exciting but has done a good job for us.

I imagine Guti to be similar, I think it'll take him a few months to get adapted to the English game but once he does I think he'll be a very useful player. However those expecting world class quality in our side will be disappointed as, like Salgado, he's not as good as he used to be.

My issue with Salgado was simply that my mates told me that his legs had gone and he was nowhere near what he was in his heyday. He barely featured for Madrid at the time, but had Ramos to get past. At the end of the day I trust their judgment, they just got it wrong to a degree. Don't forget it took him over 6 months to start playing and become fit enough again.

Guti on the other hand has played regularly this year and has looked good when I've seen him play, still pinging them all over the place with accuracy and intent (pay attention Keith). He's been keeping Kaka on the bench and thats no mean feet, but the Brazilian has seen an awful lot of the treatment room this year. I can't see him taking as long as Salgado to adapt. He plays one or two steps ahead in Spain so his speed and train of thought are already quick, fitness wise he will need to step up but with a complete pre-season that shouldn't re-present an issue.

Personally I would place Guti above Salgado as he always managed to get back into the Madrid team no matter who they signed (see previous paragraph) Madrid signed Ramos and Salgado became back-up. Guti will change the way we play for the better and his understanding with Salgado will only aid our co-hesion as a unit. My only real worry is that defensively he's a bit weak and isn't the most industrious at tracking back.

No he's not what he was at 27-28, but he's a passer and thinker and that is still there, he may not be able to bust up and down the pitch. But when he can hit a 60 yard ball straight onto your teammates foot does he need to??

[braddock]

another factor to consider is the fact that in the position we would play him his pace would not be as great a factor as it is for salgado. i'm not saying it is important at all, but it will be less terrifying seeing guti up[ against a defensive midfielder than salgado trying to stop lennon.

[Billy Castell]

I don't know that much about Guti, but he is probably a good signing. He is probably a cut above Andrews, and surely is less injury prone than Dunn, so he may be worth a look. He may have an ego, but it can't be as big as Raul's, who has been a corrsive influence at Real Madrid for years. They should have shipped him out years ago, and I definately would not have him at Ewood Park as he would be more demanding and troublesome than Shirley Bassey in a Little Chef.

[gumboots]

And gumboots, I do believe it effects the numbers at the grounds.. would you rather go to a match to watch Keith Andrews or Guti?

I only go to watch the Rovers so whichever one was playing in blue and white halves.

[cn174]

I don't know that much about Guti, but he is probably a good signing. He is probably a cut above Andrews, and surely is less injury prone than Dunn, so he may be worth a look. He may have an ego, but it can't be as big as Raul's, who has been a corrsive influence at Real Madrid for years. They should have shipped him out years ago, and I definately would not have him at Ewood Park as he would be more demanding and troublesome than Shirley Bassey in a Little Chef.

Probably!!! Slight understatement there!!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

I don't know that much about Guti, but he is probably a good signing. He is probably a cut above Andrews, and surely is less injury prone than Dunn, so he may be worth a look. He may have an ego, but it can't be as big as Raul's, who has been a corrsive influence at Real Madrid for years. They should have shipped him out years ago, and I definately would not have him at Ewood Park as he would be more demanding and troublesome than Shirley Bassey in a Little Chef.

Sat here in Adelaide, on the Johnny Walker and VB Raw giggling at the thought of Burley Chassey throwing a tantrum over a sub standard crepe on the Blackburn/Preston Rd!

[Stuart]

Sat here in Adelaide, on the Johnny Walker and VB Raw giggling at the thought of Burley Chassey throwing a tantrum over a sub standard crepe on the Blackburn/Preston Rd!

There's not been a Little Chef on Preston New Road for a long time. Showing your age (or years in exile) there, dirk!

[deryck guyler's spoon]

There's not been a Little Chef on Preston New Road for a long time. Showing your age (or years in exile) there, dirk!

Really? Christ, I only left Blighty last Sept! Change it to Rising Bridge then!

[FourLaneBlue]

Part of me agrees with that.

Part of me despises the daft wee tart who shafted him.

But he is one silly, indiscreet old duffer.

This guy runs the FA. What chance does the game have?

Wonderful. So some slapper who is happy to bed her married boss despite him being well over twice her age decides to tape some private conversations.

Who would pay for such salacious rubbish? Of course, only a paper that cared more for its own short-term circulation figures rather than the longer-term national interest.

It would have to be a paper willing to throw aside any morals and to be stupid to not see what kind of backlash it would provoke. The backlash has already happened...the British public are hardly likely to be happy that the MoS set up this sting which reveals little other than a few off-hand remarks, yet could be damaging to the national bid. It always was a crappy paper but they have misjudged the feelings of the average English person badly.

Well done to The Mail on Sunday.

The best own goal we are likely to see all season!

[FourLaneBlue]

We haven't got a hope in hell of Raul. If he did leave there would be many bigger clubs willing to pay him far more than we could. Should stick to Guti who at least may be feasible.

[brian_gallagher85]

When have newspapers ever cared about the National Interest? The interest of the nation maybe. At the end of the day they are reporting the wrong doings of a supposed highly respected figure in the FA and politics.

I'm not trying to stick up for papers as my own extended family have had plenty of history with them in the past and I'd like nothing more than to have the World Cup on my doorstep. But if England lose the world cup over this it won't be because some reporter was simply doing his job...it'll be because the head of the FA was "doing" his receptionist

[Guest roverspogges]

Well said FourLaneBlue.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Wonderful. So some slapper who is happy to bed her married boss despite him being well over twice her age decides to tape some private conversations.

Who would pay for such salacious rubbish? Of course, only a paper that cared more for its own short-term circulation figures rather than the longer-term national interest.

It would have to be a paper willing to throw aside any morals and to be stupid to not see what kind of backlash it would provoke. The backlash has already happened...the British public are hardly likely to be happy that the MoS set up this sting which reveals little other than a few off-hand remarks, yet could be damaging to the national bid. It always was a crappy paper but they have misjudged the feelings of the average English person badly.

Well done to The Mail on Sunday.

The best own goal we are likely to see all season!

He was a labour lord. That is all the Daily Mail cared about. Jeopardising the world cup bid wont get in the way of cheap political point scoring from a paper like the Mail. Scum.

He was a fool for saying it, but the Daily Mail searched long and hard to find it. Disgusting people.

Raul is a bridge too far, Guti would be enough for me to claim that this summer is a success almost regardless of what else happens. On yer bike Morten.

[tony gale's mic]

Wonderful. So some slapper who is happy to bed her married boss despite him being well over twice her age decides to tape some private conversations.

Who would pay for such salacious rubbish? Of course, only a paper that cared more for its own short-term circulation figures rather than the longer-term national interest.

It would have to be a paper willing to throw aside any morals and to be stupid to not see what kind of backlash it would provoke. The backlash has already happened...the British public are hardly likely to be happy that the MoS set up this sting which reveals little other than a few off-hand remarks, yet could be damaging to the national bid. It always was a crappy paper but they have misjudged the feelings of the average English person badly.

Well done to The Mail on Sunday.

The best own goal we are likely to see all season!

Of course they don't want us to host the World Cup; it involves foreigners from thirty one other nations hoping to come to our country for gainful employment for a whole month.

[FourLaneBlue]

I'm not trying to stick up for papers as my own extended family have had plenty of history with them in the past and I'd like nothing more than to have the World Cup on my doorstep. But if England lose the world cup over this it won't be because some reporter was simply doing his job...it'll be because the head of the FA was "doing" his receptionist

I disagree with that.

They were private conversations. How is correct to surreptitiously record private conversations without the knowledge of that person and then publish it? This cannot be compared to such stings as those performed recently on John Higgins. Those were related to wrongdoing and breaking the law. Even the Sven Sheikhgate was related to him dumping his employers he had committed to for a wedge of cash.

This is just a few opinions as he relaxes at the end of the day. Which of us doesn't do that?

This is such a non-story which has been blown up to hand a hell of a lot of the initiative for the World Cup bid to Russia and Spain.

Wonder what the circulation figures for the Mail on Sunday will be next weekend...

[Lathund]

My linkGuti not that good???

The pass at ~1:27 is the very definition of Tugay-esque.

And that's really what he'd be, our Tugay replacement. He plays further forward (Like Tugay did when he was younger, up to about maybe his second season with us?), but like Tugay he first and foremost is a fantastic passer. That's why I'm not too worried about his age. Tugay had a role to play even when he spent the whole game in the centre circle aged 38. In a 5-man midfield with someone else to play the headless chicken role, age is no concern.

I don't like paying the kind of wages he'd command, but the way someone else put it is a good way to think about it: 2 years at £60,000pw is the same as a £3m fee and £30,000pw for two years. Something we'd not object to as much.

Sam seems to follow the school of thought that buying established players is too expensive for a club like ours. And he's right; Proven players in their prime (Say 21-27 or thereabouts) cost a lot of money. Which leaves youngsters, lower league players, players in their prime with baggage, and 30+ players. It looks like we'll mainly be looking for the first (N'Zonzi, Kalinic, Di Santo, Linganzi, Lewandowski) and the last (Salgado, Guti, Piquionne, Jacobsen). Then again there'll be some exceptions to that, and Sam will take the opportunity when it presents itself. i.e Diouf (Experienced in the league but still "only" 28 when we signed him), Givet (In his prime, known quality but out of favour with his team).

Now, all that being said I don't think Guti will sign for us. I'm not saying we don't have a chance, I just don't think he will. Salgado wasn't playing much, while Guti still played in 25 la liga games this season (10 starts, 15 subs), providing 9 assists. That's more than Salgado played in 07-08 and 08-09 combined. Point being that there'll be more interest in Guti than there was in Salgado, and while Salgado and Sam (In the way of pointing to Hierro and Campo) should have some pull, I think he'll get better offers elsewhere. However the fact that this has been going on for a at least a week should tell us that he's not dismissing it straight away at least.