[Archived] Potential Summer Transfers (2010)

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

But Ambrose was a decent premiership player, and has improved since...

He's improved in the championship? Sorry. He was relegated with charlton and has done well with a midtable championship side. Lets not get carried away.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Well throw some stuff your way...

The Coca-Cola Football League Championship Top Scorers

Team

TOT

Maynard Bristol City 20

Whittingham Cardiff 20

Hooper Scunthorpe 19

Carroll Newcastle 17

Nolan Newcastle 17

Adam Blackpool 16

Chopra Cardiff 16

Sigurdsson Reading 16

Ambrose Crystal Palace 15

Earnshaw Nottm Forest 15

Sharp Doncaster 15

Graham Watford 14

Blackstock Nottm Forest 13

Brunt West Brom 13

Dorrans West Brom 13

League goals only. Totals can include goals scored for other teams.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/top_scorers/default.stm

4th best midfielder ranked in the actim index

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5th best player OVERALL in the actim index

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According to his wiki he also got 9 league assists.

Overall this season (league and cup) he has played 55 games, scored 22 goals and has 12 assists to his name.

What more do you want exactly?

The lad clearly shown he had talent in the premiership, has grown as a player and excelled in the championship, can play either wing, behind the striker or as a attacking minded centre mid. Rarely does he get injured, has a good work rate and is only 26. He is hardly anything at 750k, doubt his wages will be big and will want to do well and prove he can do it at this level.

Yet people wax lyrical about ###### ledley and charlie adam... christ

[tcj_jones]

We are not in the position of replacing squad players so looking at Ambrose to replace Andrews is ludicrous. We need a creative midfielder and a striker, why go out and buy a Championship player to replace one of our squad/fringe players? "Only £750k" is a large chunk of our transfer kitty and not a move closer.

You also need to open your eyes, Andrews has put in one or two adequate performances, against Arsenal for one. Not perfect, not awesome but adequate.

However this is the potential transfers thread NOT the Andrews thread!!! IMO Ambrose would certainly be a step backwards.

I need to open my eyes? I said that Andrews has never put in a better than adequate performance. Then you tell me to open my eyes because he's put in 'one or two' adequate performances? Surely, SURELY you'd expect a first teamer to offer more than that? Fulham supposedly put in a bid of £2m for Andrews last summer. After his contract extension I wouldn't mind betting he's on more money than Ambrose. Ambrose is better, younger, and more versatile.

How on earth would Ambrose be a step backward on Andrews / Grella / Reid / Diouf and even Pedersen? Moving Grella or Andrews on and bringing in Ambrose would probably mean that we make a profit in the process. Unfortunately, Andrews is also no longer a squad / fringe player because of our many midfield injuries, so any replacement would no doubt feature in a great number of games.

Anyway, it was not my intention to debate Andrews' flaws, but to explain that Ambrose would improve the squad.

I'm not advocating him as our marquee signing, but as somebody that could be brought in cheaply and who would definitely improve the squad. In fact, bringing him in could represent a cheap option that might allow us to spend big on a striker. It depends on our budget. If we have the means to bring in a better quality player, who represents good value for money, and who would not prevent us from landing our preferred striker, then let's bring him in!

But Ambrose was a decent premiership player, and has improved since...

Exactly.

[Amo]

If we have ambtions to progress then we need to aim higher than Ambrose. He's championship standard, so too is Andrews so it's a pointless comparison!!

And yet you want us to sign Joe Ledley?

I can say with some confidence that Ambrose would be an improvement on Pedersen & Diouf, at a fraction of the price.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Well throw some stuff your way...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/top_scorers/default.stm

4th best midfielder ranked in the actim index

http://actimindex.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/champ_index_mid_top5.gif

5th best player OVERALL in the actim index

http://actimindex.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/champ_index_top100.gif

According to his wiki he also got 9 league assists.

Overall this season (league and cup) he has played 55 games, scored 22 goals and has 12 assists to his name.

What more do you want exactly?

The lad clearly shown he had talent in the premiership, has grown as a player and excelled in the championship, can play either wing, behind the striker or as a attacking minded centre mid. Rarely does he get injured, has a good work rate and is only 26. He is hardly anything at 750k, doubt his wages will be big and will want to do well and prove he can do it at this level.

Yet people wax lyrical about ###### ledley and charlie adam... christ

What more do i want? A decent premiership player, not a decent championship player!!!! If this was in LaLiga or Serie A then fine, those stats look fantastic, but its not is it. He's playing weak opposition every game, he damn well should look good.

Jay Bothroyd looks a player in that division.

Is he bad? No. Is he worth shelling out for? No. QPR are favourites to sign him, that says it all

[MeanGreenMachine]

Some people are so short sighted its painful...

[LeChuck]

What more do i want? A decent premiership player, not a decent championship player!!!! If this was in LaLiga or Serie A then fine, those stats look fantastic, but its not is it. He's playing weak opposition every game, he damn well should look good.

Jay Bothroyd looks a player in that division.

Is he bad? No. Is he worth shelling out for? No. QPR are favourites to sign him, that says it all

It's not that black and white. Plenty of players have played in the Championship and become good Premier League players.

Ambrose is one of the best Championship players, he's much better than 'a decent Championship player'.

Everton are good at taking gambles on Championship players - Cahill, Gosling, Lescott, Jagielka.

The likes of Stephen Hunt, Kevin Doyle, Adam Johnson, Ashley Young etc. were Championship players in the recent past.

You have to judge each player on their own merits, not simply the league they came from. Ambrose is a goal scoring midfielder, can play in several positions and has plenty of prior Premier League experience. He would definitely be an improvement on some players currently here, and would be on far less money.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

It's not that black and white. Plenty of players have played in the Championship and become good Premier League players.

Ambrose is one of the best Championship players, he's much better than 'a decent Championship player'.

Everton are good at taking gambles on Championship players - Cahill, Gosling, Lescott, Jagielka.

The likes of Stephen Hunt, Kevin Doyle, Adam Johnson, Ashley Young etc. were Championship players in the recent past.

You have to judge each player on their own merits, not simply the league they came from. Ambrose is a goal scoring midfielder, can play in several positions and has plenty of prior Premier League experience. He would definitely be an improvement on some players currently here, and would be on far less money.

Ambrose has had a crack at this division though. Many of those players you mention developed in the lower leagues and flourished in the Prem. Ambrose was largely anonymous in the prem and has only started to shine this season in a midtable championship team.

Obviously he may have become a far better player in that time but im sceptical of the idea that Ambrose has markedly improved his game whilst only playing against significantly poorer opposition.

He undoutedly is one of the best championship players, but to me that doesnt mean a great deal. Keven Nolan was arguably the best player in the championship, do you think we should be after him? Michael Chopra scores for fun at Cardiff alongside Jay Bothroyd, are those two also worth a go?

This is not some prodigy who has only ever played lower level football and deserves a crack at the top, he's a player who didnt make it in the prem and has now found his level. Look at Derbyshire when he went to Greece, he looked like a world beater.

Forget Ambrose, Guti is the one we should be focussing on.

[DeadlyDirk]

People really don't like opinions do they, unless they match their own of course.

Maybe we just need to agree to differ a little more and accept that just because someone thinks that we should sign Player A or definitely not sign player B doesn't mean that everyone who disagrees is wrong.

I like the look of Gary Hooper but have no idea if he'd be capable of stepping up, as for Ambrose and Ledley who have been mentioned a fair bit recently I think they are both decent players who are perhaps standout players in the championship but would be no more than relegation battlers in the Premiership.

I'd like us to aim a bit higher, afterall we did finish 10th last year, it's not easy on our budget but we shouldn't sign inferior players just because there all we can afford. As someone else mentioned, the likes of Judge, Reid and Basturk might well be off but they hardly featured for us anyway so surely there is no rush to replace them. It's only May, plenty of time to be wheeling and dealing still, surely?

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

People really don't like opinions do they, unless they match their own of course.

Maybe we just need to agree to differ a little more and accept that just because someone thinks that we should sign Player A or definitely not sign player B doesn't mean that everyone who disagrees is wrong.

I like the look of Gary Hooper but have no idea if he'd be capable of stepping up, as for Ambrose and Ledley who have been mentioned a fair bit recently I think they are both decent players who are perhaps standout players in the championship but would be no more than relegation battlers in the Premiership.

I'd like us to aim a bit higher, afterall we did finish 10th last year, it's not easy on our budget but we shouldn't sign inferior players just because there all we can afford. As someone else mentioned, the likes of Judge, Reid and Basturk might well be off but they hardly featured for us anyway so surely there is no rush to replace them. It's only May, plenty of time to be wheeling and dealing still, surely?

Its a discussion, that is how it works. I dont think anyone was claiming that the other person was 'wrong'. Anyway, all im really interested at the moment is guti. If he comes then we can buy all the Benjani's and Ambrose's we can find for all i care.

[Hughesy]

Well throw some stuff your way...

The lad clearly shown he had talent in the premiership, has grown as a player and excelled in the championship, can play either wing, behind the striker or as a attacking minded centre mid.

People say he would be better than MGP......how do they get that one?

Ambrose - 46 games, just 9 assists in an far inferior league

MGP - 33 Games, 7 assists in a much, much tougher league..

[Bing]

People say he would be better than MGP......how do they get that one?

Ambrose - 46 games, just 9 assists in an far inferior league

MGP - 33 Games, 7 assists in a much, much tougher league..

Just a tiny bit selective seeing as Ambrose scored 20 goals last season as well.

[rebelmswar]

The perils of lower league purchases.

[Hughesy]

Just a tiny bit selective seeing as Ambrose scored 20 goals last season as well.

There's me thinking the main thing a winger should do is create chances....otherwise he would be a striker?!

As for selective....he scored 15 league goals this time...and prior to that 16 goals took him 4 seasons!!

[DeadlyDirk]

Its a discussion, that is how it works. I dont think anyone was claiming that the other person was 'wrong'. Anyway, all im really interested at the moment is guti. If he comes then we can buy all the Benjani's and Ambrose's we can find for all i care.

There are obviously some decent posts and discussion, just also a lot of very one sided views who think the likes of Ambrose is either the solution or others who think he would be a complete waste of money without the ability to see the view of someone else.

As I said I don't think he's quite good enough for us but can openly admit that I don't know that for sure and it's just my opinion, a lot of people seem to think he'd be a good player for us, so if he did end up coming I hope they are right and I'm wrong.

As for Guti I hope he comes too, bit concerned about the possible wage but that's just speculation for now, still don't want to go near Benjani though, I can't see what he offers that Roberts doesn't, again we should aim higher, but then that's just my opinion

[Amo]

People say he would be better than MGP......how do they get that one?

Ambrose - 46 games, just 9 assists in an far inferior league

MGP - 33 Games, 7 assists in a much, much tougher league..

Wow. 7 assists from Peds is a poor return for someone who takes almost every throw-in, corner, free-kick. I'd be expecting a lot more for the kind of money he's on.

[Hughesy]

yet its only 2 less than a lad who has played 13 games more...in a far lesser league!!

[rebelmswar]

yet its only 2 less than a lad who has played 13 games more...in a far lesser league!!

I think the point being made is that even with all you have said being granted - the lad earns about 1/25th of what Mr Gamst does (being conservative)

[roversam]

In the second half of the season we did well. Pedersen was a regular. Im happy he is staying put.

We can do better than Ambrose.

[Grabbi Graeme]

Some people are so short sighted its painful...

Should have gone to Specsavers

[BuckyRover]

I think the point being made is that even with all you have said being granted - the lad earns about 1/25th of what Mr Gamst does (being conservative)

You think Ambrose is on 2k per week?

Ha!

[Amo]

yet its only 2 less than a lad who has played 13 games more...in a far lesser league!!

Joe Ledley -

31 apps, 3 goals, 7 assists.

That's hardly sensational for a player in a more successful team that Ambrose and playing in that 'far inferior' league. So how come you want him so bad?

[rebelmswar]

You think Ambrose is on 2k per week?

Ha!

Please prove me wrong.

Should it be a 15th or a 10th?

[Tom]

Should of gone to Specsavers

Should have gone to English class

[Hughesy]

Joe Ledley -

31 apps, 3 goals, 7 assists.

That's hardly sensational for a player in a more successful team that Ambrose and playing in that 'far inferior' league. So how come you want him so bad?

29 league games - so 16 less games, just 2 less assists. and 3 years younger. You do the maths...Ambrose has been in the top league and proved nothing when he was in it....IF he had, then he would still be thier now.