Amo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 As the Guti deal trudges on and on, the more sceptical I'm becoming. Sure, it would be a massive PR for the club, but all I can see is our wage bill growing further bloated for the sake of a 33 year-old's swansong. We could be missing out some gems out there, by putting all our eggs into this very expensive basket.
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Hughesy Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 As the Guti deal trudges on and on, the more sceptical I'm becoming. Sure, it would be a massive PR for the club, but all I can see is our wage bill growing further bloated for the sake of a 33 year-old's swansong. We could be missing out some gems out there, by putting all our eggs into this very expensive basket. I agree 100%. Id leave the deal alone....he will want minimum of 60-70k a week.....to us that is MASSIVE! Id rather we looked at 2 or 3 younger players who have more legs and maybe abit more pace & power about them! They would also come in on far lower wages! Their seems to be alot of clubs out thier that are struggling some many would allow players to leave for a small amount, players being released for free is becoming more and more common. As for the PR - I doubt we would gain too much from it to be honest, perhaps a few newspaper stories & a few more cameras at ewood for his first game...but thats about it!
alexanders Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Janko negotiations begin this week Finally Exciting news!
blue and whites Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Sounds familiar. Now who else does that sound like?........... knew you would compare him to villanueva, but he is far better. was by far chile's best player in a friendly yesterday and would give us something else. a lot of people have been crying out for a tricky playmaker and he is a player i would like to see here.
Balwer Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Janko negotiations begin this week Finally Exciting news! It would be more exciting if there were a source to an actual article. Nicko?
Kai Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 knew you would compare him to villanueva, but he is far better. was by far chile's best player in a friendly yesterday and would give us something else. a lot of people have been crying out for a tricky playmaker and he is a player i would like to see here. To be honest, the players who end up in the middle east (UAE, Qatar) who haven't already had their football careers (e.g. under 28 years old) are only there for the money. It presents a few problems: 1) They must be on huge wages - case in point - Aruna Dindane, the club(s) in Qatar must've paid him pretty handsomely to ward off some Premier league clubs and to also forgo the chance of playing Champions League football. 2) (Related to point 1) The poor standard of the league already - most players are either very poor or players that are well past their sell by dates playing only for their last big pay packet. 3) No ambition - these players are only in it for the money. Let's not kid ourselves, most players are only in it for the money, but these seem to be worst than most since they seem to be prepared to forgo so much just to earn some bigger wages. The shocking thing is in my opinion, that if you were to join a Premier League club (like Dindane) - you wouldn't exactly be earning a pittance - you'd also have the chance of testing yourself against the very best.
RibbleValleyRover Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Janko negotiations begin this week Finally Exciting news! Looks like 'Big Club' will be going the way of route one if they get him to play alongside Zigic.
Veevs Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Janko negotiations begin this week Finally Exciting news! Ever seen the other news on that site.. the daily rover is insane when it comes to unsubstantiated rumours.. e.g. titchy Another tall midfielder The next Eto
MeanGreenMachine Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Still baffled by this anti-Guti vibe running through these boards…. We have a set of young lads already, infact our midfield is packed with them. Fonzi and Langzini (or whoever its spelled) and is it Lowe from the youth side all coming through, then we also have Olsson, Junior and Doran all coming through as wingers and you want to add more inexperience to that? As I say im baffled… Guti would be on big wages but on and off the pitch he would be massive for us. Think of what these lads could pick up off him, the boost it would give to the dressing room, the look of our side to other potential signings. Look at the big picture! And on Janko, im still not convinced we should be signing guys for big fees when they come from a tinpot league (infact our past has been littered with them Grabbi, Failurson, Kalanic). He has scored goals at that level, but im not convinced by it all. Interesting to see that Fletcher could be off in a deal worth upto 7.5million. Just shows how difficult our task is when average players like him and being thrown about for massive fees. Though id take Wolves potential strike force in a flash, Doyle would be an ideal target man for us.
Ricky Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Doyle had 9 goals in 37 league and cup games this season, niko had 7 in 33 games. Not a lot in it really, especially as one of them is playing in his first ever premiership campaign and in a new country with a different language. I think we need to remember that when we consider niko's contribution this season. I do however feel that he would be a lot better playing off a big target man which is why I wanted zigic.
The Rover of Finland Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Janko again. What next? Anthony Annan? There must be few striker possible for Rovers out there. What are the scouts doing around the world?
G Somerset Rover Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Janko again. What next? Anthony Annan? There must be few striker possible for Rovers out there. What are the scouts doing around the world? Peeing our money up the wall and then returning a list that contains Beattie, Janko, Dindane, Piqionne & Benjani.
Amo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Still baffled by this anti-Guti vibe running through these boards…. We have a set of young lads already, infact our midfield is packed with them. Fonzi and Langzini (or whoever its spelled) and is it Lowe from the youth side all coming through, then we also have Olsson, Junior and Doran all coming through as wingers and you want to add more inexperience to that? As I say im baffled… Saying that we want someone younger than Guti (33), isn't saying we go out and sign a bunch of fresh-faced sixteen year olds. I'm not prejudiced against age so much anyway, when you consider Tugay was a revelation at 31. It's the age in relation to the wages etc. that worries me about Guti.
MeanGreenMachine Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Doyle had 9 goals in 37 league and cup games this season, niko had 7 in 33 games. Not a lot in it really, especially as one of them is playing in his first ever premiership campaign and in a new country with a different language. I think we need to remember that when we consider niko's contribution this season. I do however feel that he would be a lot better playing off a big target man which is why I wanted zigic. Ask any Wolves fan for an opinion of Doyle, they will tell you how good he has been. He is the lone striker and it isn’t just his goals he contributes, he leads the line very well and holds it up very well, yes he may only be a 10-15 goal a season man but he suits the target man role perfectly. And all it ever seems to be is people making excuses for Kalanic, the lad has scored 2 league goals all season, Roberts in contrast scored that many in one of our games… I would have been satisfied if Kalanic would of played the ‘role’ well but he doesn’t, far too lightweight, wants far too much time on the ball and fails to take his half chances. He has been a massive flop so far. But next season is the real time to judge, but from what I’ve seen I just can’t see him playing the role or scoring the goals we need. Saying that we want someone younger than Guti (33), isn't saying we go out and sign a bunch of fresh-faced sixteen year olds. I'm not prejudiced against age so much anyway, when you consider Tugay was a revelation at 31. It's the age in relation to the wages etc. that worries me about Guti. Id love for us to dig out 5-10 million and spend money on an accomplished central midfielder, but it aint gonna happen. We either buy these fresh faced kids ie N’Zonzi and hope they are up to the mark or we look to someone like Guti who hasn’t long left in the game, but has real quality and hope it clicks. Sam’s record in the transfer market for a midfielder is pretty much un-challengable. Stelios, Herrio, Jay Jay, Youri, Campo all worked out brilliantly. If Guti comes, he will be a success, no doubt from me. Personally id love us to bring in Fanco & Guti this summer. Maybe bring in Nathan Clyne as a backup for Salgado (while shipping out Chimbonda and Jacobsen), a loan striker (Altidore, Vela, Welbeck?) aswell. We would be well set for next season then imo.
Amo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Id love for us to dig out 5-10 million and spend money on an accomplished central midfielder, but it aint gonna happen. We either buy these fresh faced kids ie N’Zonzi and hope they are up to the mark or we look to someone like Guti who hasn’t long left in the game, but has real quality and hope it clicks. Ryan Nelsen (27), Gael Givet (27), Benni McCarthy (28), Roque Santa Cruz (27), Steven Warnock (25). That's how old those key players were when they joined us, but you're saying we can either sign raw youth or ageing superstars? No, sorry, there's a middle ground here. It's just about finding the right player at the right time.
sparkspakespoke Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 I agree 100%. Id leave the deal alone....he will want minimum of 60-70k a week.....to us that is MASSIVE! Id rather we looked at 2 or 3 younger players who have more legs and maybe abit more pace & power about them! They would also come in on far lower wages! Their seems to be alot of clubs out thier that are struggling some many would allow players to leave for a small amount, players being released for free is becoming more and more common. As for the PR - I doubt we would gain too much from it to be honest, perhaps a few newspaper stories & a few more cameras at ewood for his first game...but thats about it! At least he is worth that much, unlike Gamst who is getting up to 50k a week. The mind boggles.
Hughesy Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 At least he is worth that much, unlike Gamst who is getting up to 50k a week. The mind boggles. He isnt on 50k.....honestly! Janko id be very happy with - a big target man who can clearly score goals & who should provide some much needed support for Kalinic.
MeanGreenMachine Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Ryan Nelsen (27), Gael Givet (27), Benni McCarthy (28), Roque Santa Cruz (27), Steven Warnock (25). That's how old those key players were when they joined us, but you're saying we can either sign raw youth or ageing superstars? No, sorry, there's a middle ground here. It's just about finding the right player at the right time. Defenders and Strikers... Bar Bentley (who was still really a kid when we picked him up) the market is very sparse on decent midfielders at a fair price, hence an avergae player like Milner being touted at 20+ million.
Amo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Defenders and Strikers... Bar Bentley (who was still really a kid when we picked him up) the market is very sparse on decent midfielders at a fair price, hence an avergae player like Milner being touted at 20+ million. Same could be said for someone like Joleon Lescott - a defender.
Moppy Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 At least he is worth that much, unlike Gamst who is getting up to 50k a week. The mind boggles. He isnt on 50k.....honestly! He did say "up to", i dont see how anyone can actually know how much he is on. The player, club or agent would never release the figure so everything else is just guess work as far as I see it. And I feel a lot of people want to put a high figure on it for another point in their arguement against MGP. I hope Gutti does come though, I think hes got a few good years left yet. Also just look at the impact Salgado has had in the dressing room, all the comments coming out especially from the younger memebers of the squad. Another reason to sign Gutti. I also wonder if half the people who are in the "anti" brigad are just in that camp so as to not get their hopes up (maybe at a sub-con level), as high hopes and Rovers havnt gone together for a while until very recently.
BPF Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Guti would be on big wages but on and off the pitch he would be massive for us. Think of what these lads could pick up off him, the boost it would give to the dressing room, the look of our side to other potential signings. Look at the big picture! I don't understand where this opinion comes from. What is there to suggest that he will be a major influence on younger players? The prospect of him being a total egotistical a**e and alienating other squad members because of his far superior salary is just as likely as him being 'a good influence'. I think looking to spend 75k a week on a 'good influence' is insanity. I'm suprised that the whole concept of 'resale value' hasn't popped up yet...
Amo Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Pedersen's agent came out honking about his star's new payday, and the fact we've bent over backwards to keep him at the club doesn't surprise me that he's on approx £50k a week. The burden of proof now rests squarely with the deniers. I don't understand where this opinion comes from. What is there to suggest that he will be a major influence on younger players? I heard Guti had a reputation as a bit of a playboy. If he did sign, we should keep him ON the pitch as much as physically possible!
AJW Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 what kris boyd would give us is a sell-on value if the move doesnt work out , neither piqi' or beattie would be sold for more than we paid if they flopped , boyd is only 26 and is available on free transfer - we could ship him out for £1m or so if irt went tits up!
The Rover of Finland Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 How about Tosic from Man Utd on loan? He was on loan at Cologne this season. Maybe Fergie would like to give him one season in England before rejoining United? And aren´t they mates with Sam?
den Posted May 27, 2010 Posted May 27, 2010 Ryan Nelsen (27), Gael Givet (27), Benni McCarthy (28), Roque Santa Cruz (27), Steven Warnock (25). That's how old those key players were when they joined us, but you're saying we can either sign raw youth or ageing superstars? No, sorry, there's a middle ground here. It's just about finding the right player at the right time. Hear, hear. Fed up with the lack of ambition by some of our posters, God help us if and when our managers start to believe that too. That kind of resignation about our total inability to compete with any other Premier League club for decent quality players would see us relegated for sure.
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