[Archived] Potential Summer Transfers (2010)

[sparkspakespoke]

I don't understand where this opinion comes from.

What is there to suggest that he will be a major influence on younger players?

The prospect of him being a total egotistical a**e and alienating other squad members because of his far superior salary is just as likely as him being 'a good influence'. I think looking to spend 75k a week on a 'good influence' is insanity.

I'm suprised that the whole concept of 'resale value' hasn't popped up yet...

Not to bothered about influence or salary and couldnt care less about resale value. I just want this genuinley world classs ball playing midfielder in our team. He could make a huge impact on our team next year. We need some quality in the team and he can provide.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Same could be said for someone like Joleon Lescott - a defender.

Still id be interested to hear (and i know your not a scout) on a few names who would be in the 2/3million bracket who could really improve our side.

I don't understand where this opinion comes from.

(A)What is there to suggest that he will be a major influence on younger players?

(B)The prospect of him being a total egotistical a**e and alienating other squad members because of his far superior salary is just as likely as him being 'a good influence'. I think looking to spend 75k a week on a 'good influence' is insanity.

I'm suprised that the whole concept of 'resale value' hasn't popped up yet...

(A) Though at a much much lower level (Mansfield Town) i learnt alot by watching and training with first team players. He might not be the sort of guy to put an arm round a player and advise (which we don't know) but it would still be a positive influence.

( I doubt Salgado (who seems fully professional to me) would be wanting him to come hear if he was a @#/? and billy bigtime. But its the flip side of the coin i guess, Guti is a fine playmaker and had a excellent season last term for Real. We have been crying out for someone with real quality on the ball since Tugay went into semi-retirmenet but i guess trying to sign a guy who played 29 games for Real Madrid last season aint good enough...

Hear, hear.

Fed up with the lack of ambition by some of our posters, God help us if and when our managers start to believe that too. That kind of resignation about our total inability to compete with any other Premier League club for decent quality players would see us relegated for sure.

Ambition and realism go hand in hand. Id love us to go out and buy a Scott Parker, Stephen Ireland etc but realistically we can't afford the fee or the wages.

[BigUts]

Not to bothered about influence or salery and couldnt care less about resale value. I just want this genuinley world classs ball playing midfielder in our team. He could make a huge impact on our team next year. We need some quality in the team and he can provide.

Agreed.

[den]

Ambition and realism go hand in hand. Id love us to go out and buy a Scott Parker, Stephen Ireland etc but realistically we can't afford the fee or the wages.

The players Topman has just listed prove that we can still pick up good players that don't come into the "raw youth or ageing superstars" bracket.

It's a big world out there MGM, there are thousands of footballers, it's a matter of having the contacts within the game to find them, but they are there. They always have been and always will be.

[MarkBRFC]

Pedersen's agent came out honking about his star's new payday, and the fact we've bent over backwards to keep him at the club doesn't surprise me that he's on approx £50k a week. The burden of proof now rests squarely with the deniers.

I'm amazed that some people still think that we pay players that kind of money. We're Blackburn Rovers not Chelsea/Man City!

I imagine he (along with the rest of our "key" first teamers) are on a decent basic wage, with the top up's being incentive based, I.E Starting bonus, Clean Sheet bonus, Assist Bonus, Goalscoring bonus, finishing in the top half bonus etc, we do well, they get paid well, it makes perfect sense.

[Amo]

I'm amazed that some people still think that we pay players that kind of money. We're Blackburn Rovers not Chelsea/Man City!

Exactly - they pay double that for a first-teamer.

[sparkspakespoke]

I'm amazed that some people still think that we pay players that kind of money. We're Blackburn Rovers not Chelsea/Man City!

I imagine he (along with the rest of our "key" first teamers) are on a decent basic wage, with the top up's being incentive based, I.E Starting bonus, Clean Sheet bonus, Assist Bonus, Goalscoring bonus, finishing in the top half bonus etc, we do well, they get paid well, it makes perfect sense.

I'm amazed that some people dont realise we pay that kind of money. You dont get a wage bill that equates to more than 70% of your turn over without having some high earners.

[bluebruce]

Not to bothered about influence or salary and couldnt care less about resale value. I just want this genuinley world classs ball playing midfielder in our team. He could make a huge impact on our team next year. We need some quality in the team and he can provide.

You're not bothered about how much we spend or recoup? That's an incredibly dangerous attitude, glad you're not running the club.

[Hughesy]

I'm amazed that some people dont realise we pay that kind of money. You dont get a wage bill that equates to more than 70% of your turn over without having some high earners.

Perhaps not, but you do soon get to that amount if you have players like Reid, Zurab, Bunn who all earn decent money but contribute nothing!!

Mark is right - MGP is on nothing like 50k a week standard - yes he could potentially earn alot more than his basic, but then so could most premier league footballers. Its all about performances, goals, assists, whether or not we make europe or top 10, whether he see's out his full contract etc....very complicated - but definately not on 50k a week normally!

[Blue n White Rover]

Perhaps not, but you do soon get to that amount if you have players like Reid, Zurab, Bunn who all earn decent money but contribute nothing!!

Mark is right - MGP is on nothing like 50k a week standard - yes he could potentially earn alot more than his basic, but then so could most premier league footballers. Its all about performances, goals, assists, whether or not we make europe or top 10, whether he see's out his full contract etc....very complicated - but definately not on 50k a week normally!

Then how much is he on?

[RibbleValleyRover]

Still baffled by this anti-Guti vibe running through these boards….

Guti would be on big wages but on and off the pitch he would be massive for us. Think of what these lads could pick up off him, the boost it would give to the dressing room, the look of our side to other potential signings. Look at the big picture!

Just because he has won trophies galore at Real Madrid and is experienced doesn't necessarily mean that he will pass on experience to youngsters. It all comes down to individual personalities and whether the player can form a relationship with the youngsters to pass on that knowledge and experience.

I'm sure veteran players with a pedigree have had a positive impact at some clubs at the same time others have had a detrimental effect. If there were no negatives of bringing in an experienced veteran with a decent pedigree surely all clubs would do so when the opportunity arises?

On the wage issue its simple for me, if our wage budget is maxed out we shouldn't be looking at Guti, why cause further strain to our finances? Same applies if we can afford Guti but have little left over for a striker or two, with limited funds you have to prioritise your spending. We cannot go into the new season with just 2 strikers, you need at least 3 but ideally 4 in this league.

[sparkspakespoke]

Perhaps not, but you do soon get to that amount if you have players like Reid, Zurab, Bunn who all earn decent money but contribute nothing!!

Mark is right - MGP is on nothing like 50k a week standard - yes he could potentially earn alot more than his basic, but then so could most premier league footballers. Its all about performances, goals, assists, whether or not we make europe or top 10, whether he see's out his full contract etc....very complicated - but definately not on 50k a week normally!

You're going to have to do better than that. His agent has said his new deal is worth that much, this is at least the second time his contract has been renewed, the first being under Hughes when his stock was high and there is no way he would have been signing new deals wirth less. .... so what is he on and how di you know better than his agent?

[Exiled in Toronto]

On the wage issue its simple for me, if our wage budget is maxed out we shouldn't be looking at Guti, why cause further strain to our finances? Same applies if we can afford Guti but have little left over for a striker or two, with limited funds you have to prioritise your spending. We cannot go into the new season with just 2 strikers, you need at least 3 but ideally 4 in this league.

I agree. This is how squad salary inflation happens. On that money, he HAS to be the best player on the pitch week in, week out to keep the others at bay. Once he isn't, then Samba's agent, Dunn's agent, Robbo's agent, who all then know that the club WILL pay 70k/week, do their jobs and look after their clients' interests by demanding the same. The only way to head this off is to have an upper limit, not bust through it by 40% for the sake of one player.

Looking at the broader picture, Sam is giving the impression of making it up as he goes along. For the last 3 months, every post-match interview focused solely on how our strikers were rubbish and we needed new ones, which must have done wonders for Roberts' motivation and Nico's confidence. Then it was LT articles about how we MUST sign one before the world cup. Then, we discover, that our main target for the last 3 months, the Pole, isn't experienced enough, as though he became somehow less experienced since being put at the top of the list. Then it's drop everything because Salgado's had a word with his mate, who by the way would bust our already top-heavy wage structure wide open and take up all of the striker budget.

[67splitscreen]

A few websites now reporting Guti has turned us down in favour of Zenit, if he does not stay at Real for his final season, which he doubts he will.

[BPF]

I agree. This is how squad salary inflation happens. On that money, he HAS to be the best player on the pitch week in, week out to keep the others at bay. Once he isn't, then Samba's agent, Dunn's agent, Robbo's agent, who all then know that the club WILL pay 70k/week, do their jobs and look after their clients' interests by demanding the same. The only way to head this off is to have an upper limit, not bust through it by 40% for the sake of one player.

Looking at the broader picture, Sam is giving the impression of making it up as he goes along. For the last 3 months, every post-match interview focused solely on how our strikers were rubbish and we needed new ones, which must have done wonders for Roberts' motivation and Nico's confidence. Then it was LT articles about how we MUST sign one before the world cup. Then, we discover, that our main target for the last 3 months, the Pole, isn't experienced enough, as though he became somehow less experienced since being put at the top of the list. Then it's drop everything because Salgado's had a word with his mate, who by the way would bust our already top-heavy wage structure wide open and take up all of the striker budget.

I think the Guti signing is mostly about massaging Big Sam's ego...

[67splitscreen]

I think the Guti signing is mostly about massaging Big Sam's ego...

Definitely not a one hand job.

[nicko]

Jose Mourinho on Guti today...

'Guti is out for me. I read his statements and to me that's what counts. He said goodbye to the fans and went around the field.'

[braddock]

*waits for the doubters to cautiously jump back on to the bandwagon*

[Hi Mack]

For the poster who questioned a move for Dzeko..... In talks with Man City over a 40M Euro move!

Maybe we'll hi-jack the deal

[Moppy]

You're going to have to do better than that. His agent has said his new deal is worth that much, this is at least the second time his contract has been renewed, the first being under Hughes when his stock was high and there is no way he would have been signing new deals wirth less. .... so what is he on and how di you know better than his agent?

Dont think he does, he has as much evidence as you do - which is nill. Nobody knows and specualtion is pretty pointless. John Williams has handled our finances very well from what i can tell, forcing managers to sell when needed is evidence he isn't going to ruin the club for short term gain. I think most on here trust JW judgement with financial matters so I don't understand why they dont trust his judgement on both MGP and if we can afford Gutti (if he where to come)

[ewoodpo]

Out of all the so called strikers on Sams radar I would take a punt with Boyd .

Firstly he is avaliable on a free , secondly he is only 26 finally, if things don't work out, I'm sure we would be able to get something back for him.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

I think if the Guti deal falls apart then our search for a striker might draw in some bigger names on bigger deals. If Guti arrives then it'd be Benjani calibre at best.

[Commondore]

How about Tosic from Man Utd on loan? He was on loan at Cologne this season. Maybe Fergie would like to give him one season in England before rejoining United? And aren´t they mates with Sam?

Is he really any good? I've only seen him in the U21 European Championships about a year ago, and he looked poor.

[ewoodpo]

How about Tosic from Man Utd on loan? He was on loan at Cologne this season. Maybe Fergie would like to give him one season in England before rejoining United? And aren´t they mates with Sam?

Never seen him play , if he was upto a decent standard red nose would have had him around the first team squad.

We don't want to end up with another Di Santo.

[Hughesy]

For the poster who questioned a move for Dzeko..... In talks with Man City over a 40M Euro move!

For any poster who honestly thought we had a chance on him....