[Archived] Potential Summer Transfers (2010)

[JamieUK]

So we can't pay the relatively low price to bring in the Pole but it will be easy to replace Pedersen? What will we pay that fee with then?

As someone else pointed out - I mean in terms of what he is currently bringing to the Rovers table. I think it can be argued that someone like Steven Reid would have been able to contribute as much as MGP has in recent weeks.

Pedersen can leave on a free - we can sign someone on a free (granted there will be a signing on fee). Who knows-Basturk come in to the side and surprise us and we'll have a ready made replacement in the squad.

[Eddie]

You can spin it as you want, Hughesy, but to me it looks like this:

We identified the player as an affordable talent and made him our priority, wanting to get the deal done

We are aware of the ballpark figure his club are talking about

We invite the player over on Saturday and this is delayed

Since then we seem to have taken a backseat role as the other clubs interest in him actively pursue completing the signing as quickly as possible

If we want to then get the guy over. Sure by plane may be difficult, but get him some train tickets, hell send the team coach over if you have to. If you think this guy is good enough then get the deal done.

[OJRovers]

On a slightly different topic, with Man City and Liverpool (if they get new owners) planning on massive summer spending, are there any players we could pick up from them?

Anyone fancy starting a "Bring back Bellamy" Facebook campaign??

[roversmum]

Not for the wages Bellamy would expect ...

[OJRovers]

True, any player that has joined City in the last couple of years is going to be on big money and unlikely to want to leave for anything less.

[unluckymorton]

You can spin it as you want, Hughesy, but to me it looks like this:

We identified the player as an affordable talent and made him our priority, wanting to get the deal done

We are aware of the ballpark figure his club are talking about

We invite the player over on Saturday and this is delayed

Since then we seem to have taken a backseat role as the other clubs interest in him actively pursue completing the signing as quickly as possible

If we want to then get the guy over. Sure by plane may be difficult, but get him some train tickets, hell send the team coach over if you have to. If you think this guy is good enough then get the deal done.

Why is everybody getting so wound up about speculation within these pages? Most comments are either individuals opinions or national media rumours.

[bluebruce]

You can spin it as you want, Hughesy, but to me it looks like this:

We identified the player as an affordable talent and made him our priority, wanting to get the deal done

We are aware of the ballpark figure his club are talking about

We invite the player over on Saturday and this is delayed

Since then we seem to have taken a backseat role as the other clubs interest in him actively pursue completing the signing as quickly as possible

If we want to then get the guy over. Sure by plane may be difficult, but get him some train tickets, hell send the team coach over if you have to. If you think this guy is good enough then get the deal done.

The LET is still saying no club has met the asking price, and yet he has already been to Genoa, arranged to meet us, and is going to speak with Dortmund. So all your conclusions seem pretty flawed. On top of which there are quotes from the player (or it may have been his agent) saying it didn't make sense from HIS perspective to come by train.

[Iceman]

You can spin it as you want, Hughesy, but to me it looks like this:

We identified the player as an affordable talent and made him our priority, wanting to get the deal done

We are aware of the ballpark figure his club are talking about

We invite the player over on Saturday and this is delayed

Since then we seem to have taken a backseat role as the other clubs interest in him actively pursue completing the signing as quickly as possible

If we want to then get the guy over. Sure by plane may be difficult, but get him some train tickets, hell send the team coach over if you have to. If you think this guy is good enough then get the deal done.

agree with this Eddie. JW knows the asking price, if we really wanted the lad then we would have done all we could to bring him over. Hell, JW and Sam could have taken a nice romantic train or bus ride to lovely Poland to seal the deal. At least it would have showed him, that we really want him to join Rovers.

[Hughesy]

On a slightly different topic, with Man City and Liverpool (if they get new owners) planning on massive summer spending, are there any players we could pick up from them?

Anyone fancy starting a "Bring back Bellamy" Facebook campaign??

Suggestions that City will let Bellamy, SWP, Roque, Benjani & Ireland go in the summer & target Di Maria & Young for the wings.....

Spurs - Keane must be available

Liverpool - cant see them getting any cash soon (or should I say - I hope they dont)

Eddie - as for spin it - I simply posted the LET article.....

[unluckymorton]

agree with this Eddie. JW knows the asking price, if we really wanted the lad then we would have done all we could to bring him over. Hell, JW and Sam could have taken a nice romantic train or bus ride to lovely Poland to seal the deal. At least it would have showed him, that we really want him to join Rovers.

What's top say we're not doing our utmost to bring the lad to the club? There have been no quotes from Rovers officials what so ever to say where the deal is at this moment in time. The club has stated that he is a target and that's about it. also, if the player would rather go to Italy or Germany then what's the problem? The last thing we want to do is twist his arm to join a club that he doesn't actually want to play for.

[roversfan99]

Keane is getting on, on very high wages, would cost alot and wouldnt want to come. A non-starter imo

[Iceman]

The LET is still saying no club has met the asking price, and yet he has already been to Genoa, arranged to meet us, and is going to speak with Dortmund. So all your conclusions seem pretty flawed. On top of which there are quotes from the player (or it may have been his agent) saying it didn't make sense from HIS perspective to come by train.

explain, why it was not necessary for him to take the train? Is there a problem with taking a train? He has already been over to Genoa, looks ready to speak to Dortmund, but because there are no planes, we are no longer an option, or might miss out because of it? I find it all rather strange, but hey its just me moaning like a little girl again

[gumboots]

I'm not sure you read the part where he said we must be able to bring in a similar player at the end of his contract. A key part of his argument, of course, is that Pedersen is total bobbins. Which I'm pretty close to agreeing with.

Surprisingly enough, I read it and understood it! However, deals bring signing on fees, agents' fees, and all sorts of other costs. There may be free signings out there, but where is the guarantee that they won't want big wages if they are players who are proven at this level, so I think the point still stands. Without taking a huge risk on an unproven player where will we find someone capable of doing what MGP is capable of doing at a lower overall cost? I'm not his greatest fan but I suspect that if you know how to do this deal then you should be contacting the club because I'm sure they'd like to know.

[Roberto Policano]

More about Lewandowski.

Dortmund to clinch Lewandowski

To Roberto Policano: This article says that Lewandowski have been in talks with Sampdoria (the other Genoa club). I thought it was Genoa FC he had visited

Genoa want him,not Sampdoria.

The article should be questioned because of that error.

was just a thought Hughesy...

Boselli linked with Roma

True,but he's not their top target.

I don't buy it. Genoa have made a £4.3 million bid to sign a fourth choice striker? Nonsense. They are Genoa, not Real Madrid. They don't have 4 million quid to spend on reserve team strikers.

Genoa's owners are minted!,They own the toy company Mattel.

Biggest spenders in transfers this season.

Real Madrid / Spain - € 257,400,000

Manchester City England - € 139,300,000

FC Barcelona / Spain - € 113,500,000

Internazionale v Italy - € 90,500,000

Bayern Munich / Germany - € 74,700,000

Olympique Lyon / France - € 72,500,000

FC Genoa / Italy - € 69,300,000

Juventus / Italy - € 55,300,000

Naples / Italy - € 49,700,000

Aston Villa / England - € 46,900,000

[Iceman]

Genoa want him,not Sampdoria.

The article should be questioned because of that error.

True,but he's not their top target.

Genoa's owners are minted!,They own the toy company Mattel.

Biggest spenders in transfers this season.

Real Madrid / Spain - € 257,400,000

Manchester City England - € 139,300,000

FC Barcelona / Spain - € 113,500,000

Internazionale v Italy - € 90,500,000

Bayern Munich / Germany - € 74,700,000

Olympique Lyon / France - € 72,500,000

FC Genoa / Italy - € 69,300,000

Juventus / Italy - € 55,300,000

Naples / Italy - € 49,700,000

Aston Villa / England - € 46,900,000

that is very interesting Roberto… do they (Genoa) feel as if they can compete for European places, as that seems quite high in terms of spending on transfers. Ive been following quite a bit of Italian football, and its always the usual suspects like the 2 Milan clubs, Juventus, Roma and Fiorentina up there.

[bennyboyt11]

Would like us to enquire to taking Obertan on loan from United, would cover the right wing and is a very talented player who hasn't featured much for United ever since his transfer.

[roversinmyblood]

Robert Lewandowski seems to be just like Kalinic, do we not need a different type of player to complement Kalinic? Boselli seems to be very good in the air and on the ground and may be a better "fit".

p.s. Janko is still knocking them in(24) in the Austrian league which I assume is a better standard than the Polish league.

[Roberto Policano]

do they (Genoa) feel as if they can compete for European places,

Yes they plan to spend 30-40 million Euros again in the summer.

They need Roma to get through against Udinese tonight in the second Coppa Italia semi-final,to bring 7th place into play for the Europa and then they have to get past Juventus in Serie A.

[Fife Rover]

Suggestions that City will let Bellamy, SWP, Roque, Benjani & Ireland go in the summer & target Di Maria & Young for the wings.....

Spurs - Keane must be available. ???????? KEANE SIGNED FOR CELTIC IN THE jANUARY WINDOW.

Liverpool - cant see them getting any cash soon (or should I say - I hope they dont)

Eddie - as for spin it - I simply posted the LET article.....

[Emge]

p.s. Janko is still knocking them in(24) in the Austrian league which I assume is a better standard than the Polish league.

I think we should go for him if the Lewandowski-deal goes the wrong way for us. According to Wikipedia he has scored 68 goals in 93 matches for Salzburg since 2005, he is taller than this Lewandowski-guy as well, maybe better with his head infront of the goal.

[Amo]

Robbie Keane only signed on loan. He's back at Spurs this summer.

[The Rover of Finland]

Would like us to enquire to taking Obertan on loan from United, would cover the right wing and is a very talented player who hasn't featured much for United ever since his transfer.

I was thinking Tosic for left wing.

[bluebruce]

explain, why it was not necessary for him to take the train? Is there a problem with taking a train? He has already been over to Genoa, looks ready to speak to Dortmund, but because there are no planes, we are no longer an option, or might miss out because of it? I find it all rather strange, but hey its just me moaning like a little girl again

I didn't say it wasn't necessary for him to take the train, I said either he or his adviser said that it "didn't make sense" (I think that's the quote) for him to take the train there. Basically, my point was that it isn't OUR fault he hasn't come over on the train- he evidently just doesn't want to, probably because it would take quite a while and his season is still going on (I think?) or whatever...I don't need to make his excuses, just saying we can't be blamed for him not coming over. He went to Genoa before the ash problems, and Germany is quite a bit closer (plus I think it only said he was in talks, not that he was visiting Dortmund?). If I was him I would probably make the trip, but hey.

[Ewood and I Would]

Come off it guys. My boss just spent the last 21 hours getting here from Switzerland....

Do you seriously think that Lewandowski would go through all that just to watch a team he may or may not sign for? Can we assume he got sent a video which is pretty much the same anyway (hopefully it was an old video an not from our last match )

[bluebruce]

Surprisingly enough, I read it and understood it! However, deals bring signing on fees, agents' fees, and all sorts of other costs. There may be free signings out there, but where is the guarantee that they won't want big wages if they are players who are proven at this level, so I think the point still stands. Without taking a huge risk on an unproven player where will we find someone capable of doing what MGP is capable of doing at a lower overall cost? I'm not his greatest fan but I suspect that if you know how to do this deal then you should be contacting the club because I'm sure they'd like to know.

If you read it and understood it, I'm not sure why you talked about a fee when the post you were quoting wasn't talking about a fee, but a freebie. Yes, deals come with signing on fees, agent fees etc. All deals. If we aren't going to do business on the basis of that though, we might as well give up as a club. Unless such fees are extortionate. If they are players who are proven at this level, that to my mind makes them better than Pedersen, who is decidedly dodgy at this level. As for unproven players, that's simply the line of business we are in. We can't just desperately cling to every crap player we have, and give them bumper pay rises constantly, or we won't get anywhere. Would you be so defensive of Jason Roberts if we wanted to sell him (for a fee, at that)? In an ideal, fit starting XI, I wouldn't even have Pedersen in it, and many fans wouldn't. Olsson is a better winger, Dunn is a better attacking mid. Pedersen is their backup, for when Dunn is injured (ie often, but we probably want a new player there anyway), and when Givet can't play left back so Olsson drops back.

Finally, I never said I know how to do this deal, I was simply pointing out you seemed to misinterpret the post you were quoting (since you talked about a fee and he was talking about a free).