[Archived] Potential Summer Transfers (2010)

[alexanders]

Apparently we are after Ghana striker Bekoe who plays in Egypt.

Eric Bekoe

[gumboots]

Pace is pre-requiste in the league now, reading of the game counts for a lot but that with a bit more pace and you've got the lot. Givet marked one of the quickest players out of the game against arsenal, I'd like to see that level of anticipation back in the centre. Its no slight on Nelsen, but he has lost a couple of yards and for me has not been the rock he has been this year. Givet is quicker than Nelsen, speaks french and reads the game very well, better than Ryan at present for me. i'd still keep him around but if I were Sam I'd want to replace Warnock and Samba is crucial to our set-piece's so its down to him or Nelsen, so for me it would be Givet with Nelsen taking a backward step.

EDIT: 160,000 a week come on surely not, thats more than either of Lamps or Terry.

Sam's done it before with Anelka and tried for Ruud last year, it would just be nice to get some serious quality back in our midfield. There's one or two good older central players on frees this year it would be nice to at least try and get one.

I don't see Allardyce worrying about any other position until the strikers are sorted anyway. He's stated that's his priority and until that's done, we won't know if there's any money to deal with other positions. And for what it's worth, I'm not convinced Samba and Givet is our best pairing either. I'm not convinced that Nelsen is still as good as he was but he seems to pull out immense performances on occasion and I wouldn't be too quick to write him off.

[RoyRover]

EDIT: 160,000 a week come on surely not, thats more than either of Lamps or Terry.

Apparently so. I remember that figure for the very reason that it was more than what Lampard or Terry would be getting. Because he was on a free transfer from Bayern Munich, they just offered him a ridiculous contract to make sure he signed for them.

[RIML]

Nelsen has made a few mistakes this season but who hasn't? Certainly not Samba----stupid sendings off eg, certainly not Givet----allowing his man to steal in unmarked eg Arteta and 2 others recently. Can't remember any major blunders from Jones yet which is incredible given the games he started. Defence is not just about pace, its about reading the game, toughness and good timing as Kevin Moran proved. Nelsen looks as good as ever to me and I have no designs on him whatsoever!

Lee Dixon slated our defending on MOTD after the Liverpool away game. He said something like 'you can't defend like that' aimed at Givet but him and Samba are our best pairing

I agree with you on Jones, he's probably had the best performances, but 'it is too early to tell how good the youngster could be' but it looks promising.

I do like Nelsen but I'll be one of the first to admit if he's had a bad game. I wouldn't say I'm bias towards him, if he's had a good game I'd say so. The thing what annoys me is this talk of dropping him and going down the pecking order after a couple of mistakes, they've all made mistakes like you said. They would not say drop Samba, Givet or Jones if they made a mistake, why the difference with Nelsen I don't know.

Also in response to 'Big Fat Sam' about the captains armband, Dunn is vice captain, he played and wasn't given the armband either. I see it as a tactic, "Sam Allardyce believes central defender Chris Samba is being penalised by referees for being too tall" I honestly think he'll get more respect off the referees but that's just my opinion.

[Big Fat Sam]

Oh well, no chance of us getting him, thats almost every penny of the new TV deal. The boys in Jersey wouldn't be happy about that.

Look I'm not writing Nelsen off, but Givet is a center back first and a fullback second. He looks so assured in that role and I'd like to see us get a left back in as Givet doesn't offer much going forward, in support of Olsson. Nelsen still has a role to play for us and his loyalty shouldn't be forgotten but he has dropped off and if its a straight choice between him and Nelsen for that role then, for me its Givet all the way.

The fact he wasn't wearing the armband, just has me thinking that he may not be 1st 11 next season as for the club captain to be playing from the off and not having it is very strange.

You can't drop Samba, he is the focal point of every throw-in and free kick, it just won't happen since we depend on them so much.

Givet was voted the players, player of the year so even if he has made mistakes the whole squad feel he's our best player, so would he get dropped?

We need a left back and have done since the day we sold Warnock if we can afford it, I'm sure we'll sign one as Chimbonda and Jacobsen have come up short and don't have left pegs.

EDIT: RIML, a tactic WTF you have a named club captain, our leader and we make a tactical decision to give it the tallest player? Clutching at straws springs to mind, it doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway if I was the team leader and didn't have the armband on the pitch I'd be in the office demanding to know why, thats just not how it works. Lets wait and see who has it today, because if its Samba again then I think a change is on the way.

Dunn will never be named club captain, not only does he spend half the season on the treatment table, he's hardly what I would call a leader and a fine example of professionalism.

[47er]

Pace is pre-requiste in the league now, reading of the game counts for a lot but that with a bit more pace and you've got the lot. Givet marked one of the quickest players out of the game against arsenal, I'd like to see that level of anticipation back in the centre. Its no slight on Nelsen, but he has lost a couple of yards and for me has not been the rock he has been this year. Givet is quicker than Nelsen, speaks french and reads the game very well, better than Ryan at present for me. i'd still keep him around but if I were Sam I'd want to replace Warnock and Samba is crucial to our set-piece's so its down to him or Nelsen, so for me it would be Givet with Nelsen taking a backward step.

EDIT: 160,000 a week come on surely not, thats more than either of Lamps or Terry.

Sam's done it before with Anelka and tried for Ruud last year, it would just be nice to get some serious quality back in our midfield. There's one or two good older central players on frees this year it would be nice to at least try and get one.

Well if pace is a pre-requisite in the league now, how can Salgado get a game?

[Hughesy]

Apparently we are after Ghana striker Bekoe who plays in Egypt.

Eric Bekoe

Just seen that too - anyone know anything about him?

Apparently £2m, which seems to be the price we are looking to pay.

[AggyBlue]

EDIT: RIML, a tactic WTF you have a named club captain, our leader and we make a tactical decision to give it the tallest player? Clutching at straws springs to mind, it doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway if I was the team leader and didn't have the armband on the pitch I'd be in the office demanding to know why, thats just not how it works. Lets wait and see who has it today, because if its Samba again then I think a change is on the way.

Club Captain and Team Captain don't necessarily have to be the same player IMO, different duties are involved.

I don't have a problem with Samba being Team Captain when he plays.

[MeanGreenMachine]

MeanGreanMachine, he may well turn out to be a dud, but I'll give you the name of a player we were linked to only 18 months ago:

Dzeko.

We hesitated and passed up the chance to buy him for 6-8 million and he is now valued at 30 and one of the most sought after and respected young strikers in Europe.

You haven't seen this guy play, so why don't you sit this particular discussion out? Having you criticise the player and those who are excited by him is just as ludicrous as someone getting excited about a player they have only seen on youtube.

Dzeko - Based on what? Nicko's tit bits?

Id love to see where i have criticized him, ive said he has scored a fair amount of goals but in the polish league, similar to Janko but at a lesser level than him. I think its crazy throwing 4/5 million at him. A couple of million fair enough but our entire budget?

[Big Fat Sam]

Club Captain and Team Captain don't necessarily have to be the same player IMO, different duties are involved.

I don't have a problem with Samba being Team Captain when he plays.

Please name all the managers who have two captains in their teams.

Its silly to have two, one voice and one only.

I despair at this website at times. The only decent thread is the one asking what the hell has happened to the quality of this site.

[Harry Balls]

Dzeko - Based on what? Nicko's tit bits?

Id love to see where i have criticized him, ive said he has scored a fair amount of goals but in the polish league, similar to Janko but at a lesser level than him. I think its crazy throwing 4/5 million at him. A couple of million fair enough but our entire budget?

But then who can we sign? The transfer market is so heavily inflated that the only players within are budget are guys like Lewandowski or older players who have no resale value. Gone are the days that £4/5 million would fetch us an established player who's been scoring goals for fun in a top league.

So what do we do? Do we take a shot on a youngster in the hope that he will blossom and fetch us big money down the line? Or do we go all out to sign some 30+ year old who's looking for a final paycheck?

[AggyBlue]

I despair at this website at times. The only decent thread is the one asking what the hell has happened to the quality of this site.

The quality hasn't changes since 12 August 2009. There's just a few more posters that think their opinion is the only valid one.

[RIML]

EDIT: RIML, a tactic WTF you have a named club captain, our leader and we make a tactical decision to give it the tallest player? Clutching at straws springs to mind, it doesn't make any sense at all.

Anyway if I was the team leader and didn't have the armband on the pitch I'd be in the office demanding to know why, thats just not how it works. Lets wait and see who has it today, because if its Samba again then I think a change is on the way.

Dunn will never be named club captain, not only does he spend half the season on the treatment table, he's hardly what I would call a leader and a fine example of professionalism.

Captains are supposed to be the only players who can talk to the referee, I'm sure they wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Samba, he's massive and quite scary I think he'll get a lot more respect, a lot of times this season the ref has just seen Samba jumping the highest and they blow for a foul. The Arsenal game Samba won the ball for our first goal as Fabianski flapped, some refs blow just because the goalkeeper doesn't get the ball, they're not fouls to me, I just feel Samba's been unfairly penalised at times, I do think the armband will make a difference.

If you've got the time you should watch this interview Nelsen did about a week ago, he says something like he's never asked to be captain.....it's just an extra piece of cloth he wears and he wouldn't play any differently with or without it.

I do think Givet will only get better but Nelsen and Samba have been brilliant together this season and the partnership of Samba and Jones too. I just can't see us buying another left-back so Givet can play with Samba. Sam loves his French players from Marseille, he signed Bruno N'Gotty who was a fans favourite I think, he won player of the season too I believe so maybe in a couple of seasons, Givet could well be everyone's favourite. Sam signed some absolute legends in his time at Bolton, I hope he pulls something special off again. A striker and a midfielder will do for me.

[DanLad]

Captains are supposed to be the only players who can talk to the referee,

Isn't that rugby? Never heard of it in footy.

[OJRovers]

I think its been a good move by Sam to appoint Samba captain, his performances have improved since being given the responsibility and he looks to have taken Jones under his wing to help him improve too. I'm sure Nelsen still is the players' captain behind the scenes as he is one of the more senior and most respected, but on the pitch Samba has done well.

[RIML]

Isn't that rugby? Never heard of it in footy.

It was proposed in 2006 to follow Rugby's lead, I'm not sure if there is a rule in place to be honest. You usually only see the captains challenging a decision by the referee though. I'd love to hear what the referee has to say like you can in rugby.

[Hughesy]

I think its been a good move by Sam to appoint Samba captain, his performances have improved since being given the responsibility and he looks to have taken Jones under his wing to help him improve too. I'm sure Nelsen still is the players' captain behind the scenes as he is one of the more senior and most respected, but on the pitch Samba has done well.

Agree 100%

[RIML]

Isn't that rugby? Never heard of it in footy.

The FA - Captains

"This will ensure that, as the team captain, you remain the point of contact for the referee."

Same difference to me

[tcj_jones]

Nelsen has been a great captain and stalwart of the club, and seems a top bloke as well. However, his performances have been dipping over the past few years, he's been out of the team for stretches with injury, and we now have others of equal or better ability in his position. Therefore, it made sense to move the captaincy on.

I like Samba. He has a fantastic attitude, and a real winning mentality. You never hear him in the press edging for a move away and he's led by example for a long time now. I think he's a worthy captain.

If we can keep Robinson, Salgado, Samba, Nelsen, Givet and Jones at the club for the next two seasons, I think that gives us a great base on which to build, and one which will allow us to improve other areas of the squad. A few sensible additions and we'll be safe for top half next season IMO.

[den]

Please name all the managers who have two captains in their teams.

Its silly to have two, one voice and one only.

I despair at this website at times. The only decent thread is the one asking what the hell has happened to the quality of this site.

Clubs having a team captain and a club captain has been very common over the years. Rovers did it regularly. The duties and qualities required on the field are not the same duties and qualities required off it.

To turn it around, name the clubs that don't have two captains?

[bluebruce]

Off topic: Sampdoria maybe willing to send Guido Marilungo out on loan again next season,he would be a decent loan signing for you,if you have little money,he's better than the Argie you have at the moment.

Better? I'll say, if his Wiki stats are to be believed! 4 goals in 6 games for Sampdoria, 17 in 33 for Lecce (albeit in Serie , and 3 in 4 for Italy U-21's...I'm actually wondering why they want to loan him out at all.

[DanLad]

The FA - Captains

"This will ensure that, as the team captain, you remain the point of contact for the referee."

Same difference to me

What do you mean by same difference?

That it's not the same, it's different?

You said that captains were supposed to be the only players that can talk to refs, which is what my response was about. You were incorrect, weren't you?

[joey_big_nose]

Clubs having a team captain and a club captain has been very common over the years. Rovers did it regularly. The duties and qualities required on the field are not the same duties and qualities required off it.

To turn it around, name the clubs that don't have two captains?

I am a bit confused about that. Surely they have to be the same person? Every football club I know has only one club and team captain - although it is common for those players to not actually get on the pitch that much due to injury - Ledley King and Gary Neville would be two examples. However when they do pay they wear the armband.

We are clearly in transition. For my money Samba will become club captain over the summer. He is our greatest asset and a fine leader. We have a back five of captain material (Givet, Nelsen, Samba, Salgado and Robinson) which can be only good for the club. It would be nice if we can add someone of that calibre to the midfield too. A Savage/Reid/Tugay utterly dependable sort of character in there would do us wonders. Obviously the silky skill of a new Tugay would be ideal, but we miss the leadership in the middle as much as the talent. Nzonzi is too young and too quiet to take that mantle.

[brian_gallagher85]

You were incorrect, weren't you?

Rule 1 in life...never, ever tell RIML she's wrong

[joey_big_nose]

Apparently we are after Ghana striker Bekoe who plays in Egypt.

Eric Bekoe

Seems like standard agent hype, so many names in there and completely out of the blue. 2m seems too high for a bit of a longshot.