[Archived] Jon Venables

[Rovermatt]

Ditto if Rovermatt can find out unless they are long dead of course.

Eh?

[T4E]

Ditto if Rovermatt can find out unless they are long dead of course.

But I think I can name two...... Hannibal Hayes and Kid Currie.

Apparently Venables is now living in Surrey, under the name "Ashley Cole".

[MeanGreenMachine]

Thank you Baron Judge, Lord Chief Justice of England and Wales.

Please define justice for me, you seem to know what your on with. Also define torture while we are at it. Its quite easy to be sarcastic and sit ontop of your ivory tower looking down on us who believe the torture of a innocent toddler (some of the things they did i would expect better from a rabid dog)was never met with proper justice.

I would of been satisfied if nither ever saw freedom again. But like most of the time in this country the guilty are treated better than the innocent. They have grown up so look different, have a new shiney identity given to them by the 'justice' system and no doubt set up with some job so they can start their 'new' life.

Pity James Bulger never got the chances these two things have been given.

[thenodrog]

Please define justice for me, you seem to know what your on with. Also define torture while we are at it. Its quite easy to be sarcastic and sit ontop of your ivory tower looking down on us who believe the torture of a innocent toddler (some of the things they did i would expect better from a rabid dog)was never met with proper justice.

I would of been satisfied if nither ever saw freedom again. But like most of the time in this country the guilty are treated better than the innocent. They have grown up so look different, have a new shiney identity given to them by the 'justice' system and no doubt set up with some job so they can start their 'new' life.

Pity James Bulger never got the chances these two things have been given.

The logic Denise Fergus James's mother displays in interviews is not only gut wrenching but also it is plain, undeniable and irrefutable.

I'd love to see the old fool meet her face to face and come out with his glib comments and refer to her as Baron Judge etc etc. He wouldn't have the balls to even enter the same building.

[cletus]

(Trivia: Only four people have ever been given a completely new identity after being released from jail. Can you name them? The fact it has only ever been used on four people goes some way to showing how extraordinary this case is)

Reg Dwight?

[thenodrog]

Eh?

Eh? what?

[BuckyRover]

TEN YEAR OLD BOYS

Have you ever met one? Really??

[jim mk2]

Please define justice for me.

A minimum of 25 years, or longer, that he probably wouldn't survive in the nick anyway.

And your definition of justice is ?

[adopted scouser]

A minimum of 25 years, or longer, that he probably wouldn't survive in the nick anyway.

Stop dumbing down Colin, they were a little bit more than 'misfits' even at ten tears old. Specifically ? Keep them both in chokey for good, yep, for good. Let them live in fear and regret every time another lifer stares at them across the canteen knowing who they are, and now at 27 feel real anguish wondering where the next assault will come from.

Don't associate this thread with my user name either, left the Wirral four years ago and now reside (as you know) near Altrincham. My views at the ripe old age of 47 are pretty clear. Punishment should mean just that, not a new i.d. and tipped out after being 'rehabilitated' to scour nightclubs gorged on cocaine and amphetamine, then to commit sex offences leading to re arrest.

Common ground, heck.

[T4E]

TEN YEAR OLD BOYS

Have you ever met one? Really??

At one point I was one.

At that age I knew that the kidnap, mutilation and murder of a 2 year old boy was wrong. I don't know what 10 year old boys you've met, but the apparant suggestion that they aren't old enough to know better is utterly laughable.

[Rovermatt]

I was 10 years old in 1993 also. I don't remember much about what I used to get up to but the murder, mutilation and kidnapping of toddlers were not amongst my activities. They knew what they were doing. Stick them in the clink for life.

[MeanGreenMachine]

A minimum of 25 years, or longer, that he probably wouldn't survive in the nick anyway.

And your definition of justice is ?

They took away a child's life knowing the full intention of what they were doing. They should of been a) executed or put in prison for the rest of their pathetic existances. I would of also gave the parents of each child 10 years minimum.

But justice has never been served, people should be baying for blood, these 2 things have got away with it and the only thing stopping them leading a normal existance is sticking to the terms in their parole and dealing with their conscience.

[Seggie]

I was 10 years old in 1993 also. I don't remember much about what I used to get up to.

It probably involved things like Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, Lego maybe playing football or going to the park. Thats what I did in 93 and I was 11 years old, these were things I liked.

Murder was not something I indulged in!! Although perhaps my mum would argue it was murder to get me to goto school at times!!

[Rovermatt]

They took away a child's life knowing the full intention of what they were doing. They should of been a) executed

An irrelevant, non-option. Execution went the way if the dodo for a reason.

Why wouldn't they have been given new identities? Considering the (rightful) public outrage that the crime stirred up, hanging them out to dry in Merseyside with their old identities still intact would only have made them targets. Sure it would have made a hell of a lot of people feel better for a couple of days to see either Venables or Thompson beaten up or killed but such action would only lead to further criminal prosecutions and yet more foaming public hysteria.

[broadsword]

Yeah, giving them new identities was the right decision, but the decision preceding itg (letting them go) was definitely the WRONG decision, and I'd be interested to know the % of the public who supported that.

[thenodrog]

Yeah, giving them new identities was the right decision, but the decision preceding itg (letting them go) was definitely the WRONG decision, and I'd be interested to know the % of the public who supported that.

Why do you say that Bryan? Every other murderer who is released does not get that priviledge. Isn't being shunned / pilloried by the general public not all part of the punishment for murder?

It shouldn't all end at the prison gates should it? It certainly doesn't end there for the relatives and friends of the dead person does it? Denise Fergus says she thinks of James every single day and will do for the rest of her life.

[T4E]

I'm not sure anyone on this thread thinks they served long enough for what they did. That appears to be the only thing everyone has agreed on.

[broadsword]

Why do you say that Bryan? Every other murderer who is released does not get that priviledge. Isn't being shunned / pilloried by the general public not all part of the punishment for murder?

It shouldn't all end at the prison gates should it? It certainly doesn't end there for the relatives and friends of the dead person does it? Denise Fergus says she thinks of James every single day and will do for the rest of her life.

They wouldn't have been shunned/ pilloried.

Someone with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch would've gone to work on them.

[sambo]

I hate Venables and Thompson and always will for what they did.

Don't care if they were 10, they committed one of the most evil crimes in British history.

The details are horrific.

Would anyone be sorry to see either of the pair dead? I certainly wouldn't, and wouldn't shed a tear if either were murdered. I expect people to criticise this, but what they did was horrendous.

[jim mk2]

They should of been a) executed . I would of also gave the parents of each child 10 years minimum.

But justice has never been served, people should be baying for blood, these 2 things have got away with it and the only thing stopping them leading a normal existance is sticking to the terms in their parole and dealing with their conscience.

Execution is not option because this is a civilised country and the death penalty was abolished some years ago. If you don't like it go and live somewhere else where vengeance and "baying for blood" is acceptable.

Would agree that parents should be made accountable for alot of youth crimes.

[broadsword]

Would anyone be sorry to see either of the pair dead? I certainly wouldn't, and wouldn't shed a tear if either were murdered. I expect people to criticise this, but what they did was horrendous.

I honestly wouldn't care if they were consigned to the 7th circle of hell.

But we can't let mob rule dictate justice.

I'm sorry if I'm posting too much on this thread, but I find the whole thing really upsetting.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Why wouldn't they have been given new identities? Considering the (rightful) public outrage that the crime stirred up, hanging them out to dry in Merseyside with their old identities still intact would only have made them targets. Sure it would have made a hell of a lot of people feel better for a couple of days to see either Venables or Thompson beaten up or killed but such action would only lead to further criminal prosecutions and yet more foaming public hysteria.

They have got away with doing what they did and nobody knowing who they are. Also the general public are in danger from not knowing who these people are, but like i say, the criminals get treated better than victims in this country.

I hate Venables and Thompson and always will for what they did.

Don't care if they were 10, they committed one of the most evil crimes in British history.

The details are horrific.

Would anyone be sorry to see either of the pair dead? I certainly wouldn't, and wouldn't shed a tear if either were murdered. I expect people to criticise this, but what they did was horrendous.

I would dance on their graves.

Execution is not option because this is a civilised country and the death penalty was abolished some years ago. If you don't like it go and live somewhere else where vengeance and "baying for blood" is acceptable.

you crack me up, you really do. You talk as if this country is the pinnicle of civilisation. A civilised country wouldnt of produced two ten year old boys who commited these horrific crimes, neither would it of let these now men out so early. Its hardly vengence or baying for blood, its about seeing consequences to peoples actions, something this country forget to impose a long time ago.

[Rovermatt]

They have got away with doing what they did and nobody knowing who they are. Also the general public are in danger from not knowing who these people are, but like i say, the criminals get treated better than victims in this country.

They didn't get away with it. They were arrested, convicted and jailed. The jail sentence was not long enough but it's plainly ridiculous to claim they 'got away' with the crime.

[MeanGreenMachine]

That what you just said is 'ridiculous'. They spent a few years at a private school, came out with not a single member of the public knowing who they are, what there name is or what they look like. For such a cruel and disgusting crime they did they certainly got away with it.

No doubt they recieved a better education in a prison run school then they would in a public school!

[tony gale's mic]

I definitely think they should have been executed after they committed the crime.

Killing a child is so obviously wrong...