deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Can we have some details about exactly how much you and your family are worth Hughesy? You can start by telling us all what your current salary is and how much is in your last bank statement. He might tell you if he tries to take over our football club
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Hughesy Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 He might tell you if he tries to take over our football club Or perhaps if my business could potentially affect 30,000 fans and the way that a top premier league team runs....Some people eh! It will for certain if Kamy takes any notice of Hughesy! Shabba!
broadsword Posted July 11, 2010 Posted July 11, 2010 Why should they reveal their net worth and who exactly's on their team to a third party who'll publish on the web? The deal isn't done yet, why jeopardize it for no reason? The bottom line is, just because we're fans, doesn't mean we're entitled to be told everything about a potential bidder for the club. We have no power to influence the process directly.
Backroom trueblue Posted July 12, 2010 Backroom Posted July 12, 2010 Why should they reveal their net worth and who exactly's on their team to a third party who'll publish on the web? The deal isn't done yet, why jeopardize it for no reason? The bottom line is, just because we're fans, doesn't mean we're entitled to be told everything about a potential bidder for the club. We have no power to influence the process directly. The most sensible post in 137 pages !!
deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 The most sensible post in 137 pages !! Bryan has a point to an extent but all this "nothing to do with the fans" nonsence which some posters hint at is bulldust imo. It's a football club not a double glazing company. Football is totaly unlike any business hence why we are all on here pratling on about it.
CrazyIvan Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Bryan has a point to an extent but all this "nothing to do with the fans" nonsence which some posters hint at is bulldust imo. It's a football club not a double glazing company. Football is totaly unlike any business hence why we are all on here pratling on about it. In the end, no matter what we say on here, the takeover is nothing to do with the fans. We can't influence it, we don't know anything (in reality) about it and we are along for the ride. We can talk about it, speculate and cogitate but, unless someone decides there is something very dodgy about it and has some evidence, nobody is going to demonstrate about it and what would they demonstrate about anyway? Football is unlike every other business but, in the end, it is a business and still gets approached in the same manner by the people running it.
thenodrog Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Bryan has a point to an extent but all this "nothing to do with the fans" nonsence which some posters hint at is bulldust imo. It's a football club not a double glazing company. Football is totaly unlike any business hence why we are all on here pratling on about it. But it is still a business! Any business that publishes it's intentions freely and to all and sundry will end up in trouble.
deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 In the end, no matter what we say on here, the takeover is nothing to do with the fans. Give over
CrazyIvan Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Give over If you're going to quote me, quote the entire post.
deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 We can't influence it, How much would prospective new owners like demos and/or empty seats?
CrazyIvan Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 How much would prospective new owners like demos and/or empty seats? And that's going to happen because...? What did I say in my post, the one you conveniently quoted and then edited?
deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 If you're going to quote me, quote the entire post. I did try. Why be so pompous and snotty?
CrazyIvan Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I did try. Why be so pompous and snotty? I'm not being pompous and snotty. You didn't quote the entire post. Simple.
deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I'm not being pompous and snotty. You didn't quote the entire post. Simple. Ah well. Debate over. You remind me of William Hague circa 1977. Toodle pip.
CrazyIvan Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Ah well. Debate over. You remind me of William Hague circa 1977. Toodle pip. Whatever. You quoted me, edited my post and then made a snide remark and you say I'm being pompous and snotty? Grow up. Anyway, who on here is going to demonstrate about this takeover? The one we actually know very little about or what the end result will be. That is my point. At this point, and until we know much more about this entire thing, all of us are along for the ride. We don't know anywhere near enough to make any kind of genuine judgement.
gumboots Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Whatever. You quoted me, edited my post and then made a snide remark and you say I'm being pompous and snotty? Grow up. Anyway, who on here is going to demonstrate about this takeover? The one we actually know very little about or what the end result will be. That is my point. At this point, and until we know much more about this entire thing, all of us are along for the ride. We don't know anywhere near enough to make any kind of genuine judgement. And to be quite honest where have protests got other clubs? The Geordies demonstrated against their board on a regular basis - it brought them Mike Ashley so they demonstrated against him and they ... still have him. The Mancs demonstrate regularly against the Glazers - they are still there. Liverpool fans hate their owners and have held protest marches - they are looking to sell now but it's taken years. There is little point in protesting because if these people want the club for whatever reason, then they will not be put off by a protest, and only a near total boycott of games could really cause them any problems, and who is going to do that? Protest marches get the club and the fans in the news but for the wrong reasons. They put off potential signings who don't want to walk into an unstable club. Sensible owners know they have to keep the fans in the picture provided that doing so doesn ot jeopardise what they are trying to do, but they don't have to tell us anything really. It's a balancing act - business interests and fan liaison.
deryck guyler's spoon Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I know people dip in and out of this thread for news so I wont drag it off topic much further. Suffice to say that Football IS totally unique and a club's supporters are unique "customers" for want of a better word. We DO have a right to know, not everything but much more than we do now. We certainly have the right to know what a stranger has in mind for OUR football club. I'm not sure I'd understand the mentality of a football fan who dosn't feel that way and certainly not the supporter of a club. You might as well support a petro-chemical company. As for what supporters could do well, it's a mute point at the moment. I'm actually nervously excited at the prospect of a take over and believe that one is necessary. New owners should bare in mind though that we dont have a queue of people waiting to take the places of those who protest by turning their backs. This isn't Manyoo and there could easily be acres of blue plastic PDQ if the support felt it necessary.
CrazyIvan Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I know people dip in and out of this thread for news so I wont drag it off topic much further. Suffice to say that Football IS totally unique and a club's supporters are unique "customers" for want of a better word. We DO have a right to know, not everything but much more than we do now. We certainly have the right to know what a stranger has in mind for OUR football club. I'm not sure I'd understand the mentality of a football fan who dosn't feel that way and certainly not the supporter of a club. You might as well support a petro-chemical company. As for what supporters could do well, it's a mute point at the moment. I'm actually nervously excited at the prospect of a take over and believe that one is necessary. New owners should bare in mind though that we dont have a queue of people waiting to take the places of those who protest by turning their backs. This isn't Manyoo and there could easily be acres of blue plastic PDQ if the support felt it necessary. I want to know as much as I can about the takeover but these things are done behind closed doors for obvious and understandable reasons. We won't find out about this new lots intentions until after the takeover is completed. It makes the idea that we can, as fans, influence the takeover so unlikely as to be nigh on impossible. And yes it is a moot point.
gumboots Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 I know people dip in and out of this thread for news so I wont drag it off topic much further. Suffice to say that Football IS totally unique and a club's supporters are unique "customers" for want of a better word. We DO have a right to know, not everything but much more than we do now. We certainly have the right to know what a stranger has in mind for OUR football club. I'm not sure I'd understand the mentality of a football fan who dosn't feel that way and certainly not the supporter of a club. You might as well support a petro-chemical company. As for what supporters could do well, it's a mute point at the moment. I'm actually nervously excited at the prospect of a take over and believe that one is necessary. New owners should bare in mind though that we dont have a queue of people waiting to take the places of those who protest by turning their backs. This isn't Manyoo and there could easily be acres of blue plastic PDQ if the support felt it necessary. It's not OUR football club though. Like it or not it is actually the Walker Trust's football club and will belong to a.n.other if they choose to buy it. Therefore strictly speaking we have no rights. If the owners, whoever they are, are sensible they will keep fans on board because there is no real club without fans, but the assets are there regardless of fans. We may want to be informed; when certain things happen then business law means that people have to be informed of certain things; at the moment nobody HAS to tell us anything. You may not be happy about that. I think most of us would like to know more. However, there is very little we can do to make anyone tell us anything.
Bobby G Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Hearing some major activity on Liverpool sale front happening over the last few days. "Meeting" potential investors.
Pete1981 Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Hearing some major activity on Liverpool sale front happening over the last few days. "Meeting" potential investors. Why does Liverpool have anything to do with Blackburn Rovers
thenodrog Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Hearing some major activity on Liverpool sale front happening over the last few days. "Meeting" potential investors. 'investors'!
Bobby G Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Well there is a slight common denominator. However, in essence you are right.
gumboots Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Why does Liverpool have anything to do with Blackburn Rovers presumably when they get their investor there may be some other people "left over" looking for a premier league club to invest in?
Veevs Posted July 12, 2010 Posted July 12, 2010 Why does Liverpool have anything to do with Blackburn Rovers The investors are specifically looking for a top 10 premier league club.. and apparently have shown a little interest in Blackburn should the deal with liverpool fall through..
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