[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[K-Hod]

'the club being owned by the supporters'-

well, both ManU & Pool have certainly followed Barcelona's other business model--- that of the half billion debt.

Haha, well Barca's business model did work well in theory until recently

[blue/white]

Gordon brings up a good point about JW liking a pay-off at this point.

We can all certainly see the need to constantly pull a rabbit from the 'financial' hat to be a meat grinder for the man & and empathize with a desire to head to the beach for a lie down and a daquiri. However, I hope that isn't the case and he can stay onboard for a transitional period (at the very least).

[thenodrog]

To be fair- he makes several good points. The scale of the failings of the American owners is only now coming to light. They've saddled the club with so much debt and are seeking to make a profit during an economic downturn??

I don't like Liverpool very much, but have the greatest of sympathy with their loyal supporters and terrific fanbase. They didn't ask for any of this, I think Liverpool, and indeed Manchester United could do to adopt the Barcelona business model (the club being owned by the supporters).

Course they bloody did. They thought the two septics Gillette and Hicks would chuck gazillions in and allow them at last to overtake Man Utd. It's the same with 90% of the supporters of every club who haven't the brains to see past the end of their own noses.

[BuckyRover]

Chicken Hyderabadi from the Aagrah restaurants in West Yorkshire, superb

[K-Hod]

Course they bloody did. They thought the two septics Gillette and Hicks would chuck gazillions in and allow them at last to overtake Man Utd. It's the same with 90% of the supporters of every club who haven't the brains to see past the end of their own noses.

So, I'm sure if you asked any Liverpool fan at the time of the takeover that what, 5 years down the line they would want to see their club in vast amounts of debt dogged by rumours of their key players happiness? Sure.

Fair enough, there is a risk whenever a take-over happens but at the time, the promises that Hicks/Gillett made have not been kept at all!

[RevidgeBlue]

I'd imagine at his stage of life that JW would jump at the offer of a lucrative payoff.

It's occurred to me also that JW will probably want to retire at some point in the not too distant future, is he 61/62 now?

Fortunately we already have the ideal replacement at the Club imo in Tom Finn so JW leaving/retiring need not be the disaster some are making it out to be. .

[thenodrog]

So, I'm sure if you asked any Liverpool fan at the time of the takeover that what, 5 years down the line they would want to see their club in vast amounts of debt dogged by rumours of their key players happiness? Sure.

Fair enough, there is a risk whenever a take-over happens but at the time, the promises that Hicks/Gillett made have not been kept at all!

Why should they need to be asked? They should realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Didn't the thought that the yanks had no connection with Livvie and might actually want to make big bucks out of them not enter their heads? Did they not ask themselves 'why us'?

Do you think such thoughts ever entered the heads of the fans at WHU, Pompey, Chelsea, Man City and best of all Man Utd given the chance to be the Billy Big Timers of thye Prem? Did it hell.

It's occurred to me also that JW will probably want to retire at some point in the not too distant future, is he 61/62 now?

Fortunately we already have the ideal replacement at the Club imo in Tom Finn so JW leaving/retiring need not be the disaster some are making it out to be. .

I hope there is more to mthe club than simply filling posts through succession. Have you never heard of promotion to incompetence Simon?

[Amo]

Why should they need to be asked? They should realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

There is at the soup kitchen.

[K-Hod]

Why should they need to be asked? They should realise that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Didn't the thought that the yanks had no connection with Livvie and might actually want to make big bucks out of them not enter their heads? Did they not ask themselves 'why us'?

Do you think such thoughts ever entered the heads of the fans at WHU, Pompey, Chelsea, Man City and best of all Man Utd given the chance to be the Billy Big Timers of thye Prem? Did it hell.

This has always been a question raised pertaining to foreign ownership ultimately. Liverpool were probably grateful at the time, I don't know! They probably thought these two guys who own sports teams in the US (one of which has since gone bankrupt, to digress a little) could inject some money to help them compete, and in turn the yanks probably thought they could make some money out of the club whilst adding to their portfolio!

It was perhaps short-sighted on the part of both parties but evidently, it has not worked!

[doctorryan]

It's so wrong that with an income of 50-60 million we should need a cash injection at all. Football really is one sick mf of a business.

What's the color of the sky in your world Gordon? Whilst I agree with the sentiment in your comment, that horse left the barn so long ago that the damn barn isn't there anymore either. Hell, there are 4 clubs in one US sport alone that spend £100 million or more in salaries each season.

The choice is to try and get stuck in or else you'll end up out of the picture (relegated).

It's sad, but it's the way it is. Reading your complaints about it all the time is like listening to someone who bemoans the demise of 8-track tapes.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

And yet some still wonder why they want out?

No doubt the same ones who wouldn't go anymore if ST's were put back to cost something close to the Prem league average. Freeloaders basically.

Bloke who lived a few doors down from our old house is a lifelong Rovers fan. He is in his late twenties and married with a couple of kids. He had a nice house and the kids were always well turned out but he didn't earn loads and what he got he really grafted for and I'd see him coming home covered in oil and crap at all hours. He was chuffed to bits when Rovers made STs affordable as he hadn't been able to see much of the club he loved over recent years. I havn't been in touch with him for a while but if his circumstances are the same he would probably have give his ST up if the prices returned to previous levels.

Only an absolute tool would call him a freeloader.

Sorry to go off topic but I think that needed saying.

[BuckyRover]

We are all freeloaders, paying under the Market value for our tickets, some might say at the detriment of our long term prosperity.

[jim mk2]

It's so wrong that with an income of 50-60 million we should need a cash injection at all. Football really is one sick mf of a business.

It's on the east side of the ground so 'The Hyderabad End' would have a nice ring to it.

So, you hate modern football and can't stand modern Blackburn.

Plus the Rovers are about to be taken over by Asians.

Why not just stick your head in the oven and finish it ?

Do us all a favour.

[RevidgeBlue]

So, you hate modern football and can't stand modern Blackburn.

Plus the Rovers are about to be taken over by Asians.

Why not just stick your head in the oven and finish it ?

Do us all a favour.

So does the fact that a modern footballer can pull in anything from 100 - 225k p.w. lie happily with your socialist ideals jim?

(Good luck to the top players I say. It's the crap players who aren't performing but being dolled out 30 -40k p.w. like sweeties that irks me somewhat.)

[American]

Course they bloody did. They thought the two septics Gillette and Hicks would chuck gazillions in and allow them at last to overtake Man Utd. It's the same with 90% of the supporters of every club who haven't the brains to see past the end of their own noses.

People seem to get this impression that no money was spent on the playing side of the club. Even before the Ronaldo sale, Benitez had spent more in his time at Liverpool than Fergie had during the same period. He just spent lots of money on mid-level players.

[jim mk2]

So does the fact that a modern footballer can pull in anything from 100 - 225k p.w. lie happily with your socialist ideals jim?

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Not at all. I think it's ludicrous and they should be taxed at 80 per cent plus.

I hope Allardyce was joking when he said this today on the difficulties signing players :

``We have tried very hard over the last eight weeks and had many disappointments,'' reflected Allardyce.

``Most of the time it boils down to net salaries that people are asking for and the 50% tax bracket in this country.

``If David Cameron is listening, drop the tax bracket will you? Then we can get the best players in the world to play in the best league in the world.''

[Mc Love]

Any 11o'clocker Kamy??

[RevidgeBlue]

Not at all. I think it's ludicrous and they should be taxed at 80 per cent plus.

So you're agreeing with Gordon then?

[RevidgeBlue]

I hope Allardyce was joking when he said this today on the difficulties signing players :

I very much doubt he was bearing in mind he's towards the top of the top earning bracket himself!

[jim mk2]

I very much doubt he was bearing in mind he's towards the top of the top earning bracket himself!

Reading the interview in full I think his remarks were tongue in cheek but if he did mean it he is bang out of order with thousands of ordinary hard-working folk facing losing their jobs because of the Tory cuts.

[BuckyRover]

The top rate of tax in Barcelona is 45%

Ours is 50% + NI.

It's going to make quite difference, regardless of any righteous indignation.

15%+ more money and Spanish weather? Their economy will probably implode in a few years and then they will all come crawling back.

[Parsonblue]

I hope there is more to mthe club than simply filling posts through succession. Have you never heard of promotion to incompetence Simon?

Incompetence is not a word that I would associate with Tom Finn. Like John Williams, Tom has been excellent for Blackburn Rovers and whatever the future holds I certainly wouldn't want to lose both of these guys.

[Ewood and I Would]

The top rate of tax in Barcelona is 45%

Ours is 50% + NI.

It's going to make quite difference, regardless of any righteous indignation.

15%+ more money and Spanish weather? Their economy will probably implode in a few years and then they will all come crawling back.

But they have a much lower threshold which gives a few grand back to the footballer over here. They'd still earn more on the same wage in Spain but worth noting none-the-less.

The there are things like captical gains which can be used to "get around" paying large amounts of tax which could affect the overall package.

[Brfcrule1]

I see with this new interested buyer the board has gone into hysteria mode with amounts of money,grandeur,etc. I am next expecting for someone to come out and say once this takeover happens and we get this 300M staggered over the long term to spend on players we should be bidding for Torres. It won't happen anytime soon might I reiterate this takeover could go one of 2 ways: Now I know I might get rollocked for this but it might be better now if Saurin Shah took us over because he has not blabbed to the press about how much dough he has. Whereas this new guy has said he will spend a staggering amount on players,stadium etc. The one glaringly obvious question what happens when you spend that much money on players expectations are raised sky high with spending that much amount of money the owners will naturally expect Champs. Lge. footy which will not come straight away. It will take time as they say Rome was not built in a day!. If Sam can't deliver that right away we might get the same scenario as Man. City with a revolving door for managers. Is that good for the long term stability of the club? No. Also for people to ask for this to be rushed so we can get money in place right away one wrong decision could land us deep in trouble and as it's the Trustees club to sell. It would be professional to find out what each of the parties has to offer for the club. With jumping in feet first for the 1st buyer you miss out on what other bidders have to offer & it is not about the short term but the long term future of the club & what is best financially for the club. I would expect the Trustees to find out about the other 2 parties before deciding which one is best for the club & financially will keep the club going in the long term. Some people might find it odd the new interested party coming forward now but if the trustees are researching every party properly this would have to be done to make sure the right individual acquires the club.

[beerwins]

I would settle for a new stand and a midfielder that can pass a ball, no delusions of grandeur here.