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Sam will say: " Mr Syed, i need to get rid of a few players, but they all still have a few years left on their current deal. Its going to cost you"

Why would you pay people simply not to be at the club? Have them train later in the afternoon and tell them they are reserve team players - if they want to naff off fine contract goes in the bin. If not make use of them ... community work, augmenting youth development but to pay them to go elsewhere (Blackpool, Wolves, Wigan potentailly?) is just plain stupid.

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Even though things are moving on at a pace, there is little or no chance that this will be done by the end of the transfer deadline, for that to happen the deal would need to be done today (with Monday being a Bank Holiday), when the deal is done then they would need to get it ratified by the Premier League. So the timescale doesn't fit.

I think the January transfer window may see some signings, but generally prices are hugely inflated in January. I think that the real action in terms of transfers will happen next summer.

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I wouldn't go along with that as a reason for not paying the market value JBN. The problem isn't the price, it's the judgement of the buyer, whatever the price. Your argument seems to be based on the theory that not spending much, means not losing much. Not going to get you far with that approach.

How often do cheap buys work out?

For us loads. Warnock, Friedel, Tugay, Nelsen, Samba, Bellamy, RSC, Bentley, Pedersen, Nzonzi, Givet, McCarthy.

And, if you need to brush up your economics, because the players are cheaper you can freshen up with new players should they not work out as opposed to be tied to someone who does not settle and does not perform.

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What buyer do you want Den?

Someone who has an excellent PR obviously?

Is the truth that you would argue against ANY new owner?

For us loads. Warnock, Friedel, Tugay, Nelsen, Samba, Bellamy, RSC, Bentley, Pedersen, Nzonzi, Givet, McCarthy.

I would argue that those players were a success because of the judgement of the manager who signed them, not because of the price.

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There is absolutely no need to put a downer on this situation. You have to be either selfish or have your own very narrow views if you dont like what is happening with our club (potentially) right now. This is what we have all been dreaming about for a long time. Yes, we dont want a West Ham or a Pompey, or even a United or Liverpool. But compare a lot of the take-overs with this one, and you could argue that almost all of the take-overs were a bit "detached" and "corporate" other than maybe Gaydamak who aligned himself with the fans but pulled the plug too. But dont forget that he also is owed millions by Portsmouth and has not pushed it through.

Already the new owner has put a firm grip on reality. He has set out a 15 year plan. He has also said we wont be spending City's amounts. I dont think 20 million a year in transfers and wages is too crazy a figure, but considering that most clubs have their hands tied right now, it means we will be able to move up quickly IF we purchase right.

I am getting sick of some of the negativity before anything has even happened to justify it.

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What buyer do you want Den?

Someone who has an excellent PR obviously?

John you have every right to be cautious, and you are right he does have great PR.

However, I put my faith in the Trustees and Rovers Board, they have rejected many bids over the last 3 years because they were not right for the club, the fact they have accepted this one says to me that Mr Ali met their criteria.

It is not wrong for people to have concerns, in fact quite natural after what has happened in Portsmouth etc.

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For my money I reckon there would be a massive likelyhood of them coming back and being deeply average for us. Why waste the enormous transfer fees on a risk like that when you can get someone just as good for less money, who will actually view a move to Rovers as an opportunity rather than a sad eventuality?

Well we can never prove this till and if it happened. The point is-we wouldn't be the same club anymore. Besides which they left to better themselves but it isn't working out. Bentley left as an England regular and never plays much anymore for his club. Warnock is at a club which seems on the way down rather than up.

I think you are underestimating what we can offer good players if the takeover goes through. Bentley is a difficult character but he played the best football of his career at Ewood. As for Warnock--never gave less than 100%.

Anyway these were just 2 examples of the type of player I think we should be interested in. We don't have to pay peanuts just for the sake of it. Initially we need to make our mark.

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Don’t get me wrong, I think Syed has very good credentials. Clearly he is a very successful businessman.

However, I just feel very anxious (and scared if I am being honest), about being taken over by anyone – generally, I just don’t see what’s in it for them and only in time we will know if these intentions are genuine.

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Don’t get me wrong, I think Syed has very good credentials. Clearly he is a very successful businessman.

However, I just feel very anxious (and scared if I am being honest), about being taken over by anyone – generally, I just don’t see what’s in it for them and only in time we will know if these intentions are genuine.

Get a box at Ewood and hide behind the curtains!

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Don’t get me wrong, I think Syed has very good credentials. Clearly he is a very successful businessman.

However, I just feel very anxious (and scared if I am being honest), about being taken over by anyone – generally, I just don’t see what’s in it for them and only in time we will know if these intentions are genuine.

Yes but you must concede that for this club to survive in this division long term we needed to be bought out. We couldnt keep on spending £1/2m each summer and expect to stay up on that. This summer has shown, if there was any doubt, that we are struggling to compete financially with even the Wigan's/Stoke's of this league because we havent been bought.

So if we say that a takeover had to happen, then this prospective buyer sounds about as good as we could have dreamt of getting. Is it a risk? clearly yes, but Im confident that this guy has the money he says he has and the ambition to improve the club. Those are the two key factors, what happens when the club is in their hands will prove how far their ambitions stretch. At least we can ensure that we can compete with midtable teams financially.

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Don’t get me wrong, I think Syed has very good credentials. Clearly he is a very successful businessman.

However, I just feel very anxious (and scared if I am being honest), about being taken over by anyone – generally, I just don’t see what’s in it for them and only in time we will know if these intentions are genuine.

Yes but you must concede that for this club to survive in this division long term we needed to be bought out.

And there it is in a nut shell John.

I think we all share your concerns and I too am very scared. But IMO the truth of the matter is that we wouldn't have lasted more than another two-three years in the top flight with out current owners. Even less if Allardyce left.

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John you have every right to be cautious, and you are right he does have great PR.

However, I put my faith in the Trustees and Rovers Board, they have rejected many bids over the last 3 years because they were not right for the club, the fact they have accepted this one says to me that Mr Ali met their criteria.

It is not wrong for people to have concerns, in fact quite natural after what has happened in Portsmouth etc.

Yes but you must concede that for this club to survive in this division long term we needed to be bought out. We couldnt keep on spending £1/2m each summer and expect to stay up on that. This summer has shown, if there was any doubt, that we are struggling to compete financially with even the Wigan's/Stoke's of this league because we havent been bought.

So if we say that a takeover had to happen, then this prospective buyer sounds about as good as we could have dreamt of getting. Is it a risk? clearly yes, but Im confident that this guy has the money he says he has and the ambition to improve the club. Those are the two key factors, what happens when the club is in their hands will prove how far their ambitions stretch. At least we can ensure that we can compete with midtable teams financially.

Both quotes describe exactly my position.

Many people were/are happy with the trustees running the club, because I assume that they think the trustees will always try to do the best thing for the club. Surely if you go along with that, then when the trsutees finally accept that Syed's bid [or any other bid] is the right direction for the club, then they must also accept that?

Accepting the fact that the club will be sold, whenever that might be, then what more could the fans ask, than what Syed is offering? So, if the trustees are convinced that Syed is committed to his promises, I'll back him all the way. I can't think of any other, viable option.

That's my opinion nailed to the mast. I don't see the point in being in any way negative about this.

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den, I am with you word for word.

I also agree that this club would not be able to stay up indefinitely with the kind of budget we have. There would be a snowball effect any day Big Sam left too and people would only then realize what a job he has done at this club.

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Both quotes describe exactly my position.

Many people were/are happy with the trustees running the club, because I assume that they think the trustees will always try to do the best thing for the club. Surely if you go along with that, then when the trsutees finally accept that Syed's bid [or any other bid] is the right direction for the club, then they must also accept that?

Accepting the fact that the club will be sold, whenever that might be, then what more could the fans ask, than what Syed is offering? So, if the trustees are convinced that Syed is committed to his promises, I'll back him all the way. I can't think of any other, viable option.

That's my opinion nailed to the mast. I don't see the point in being in any way negative about this.

Hear hear Den. The Trustees decision, assuming they have the club's best interests at heart (and nothing to date says they don't), will reflect their views on Syed. If the sale goes through we have to believe they have faith in his commitment, and if not then we have to believe they uncovered something that they felt compromised this.

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I would argue that those players were a success because of the judgement of the manager who signed them, not because of the price.

Oh, absolutely I agree. Yet this is my point. People ask "why did Sam and Hughes buy such good players with limited resources, yet buy average player with larger resources?". The answer for me is that players who come in on large transfer fees have large expectations placed on their shoulders which many buckle under, others also think they have made it and don't put the effort in. Also huge squad renewal leads to massive instability which can lead to catastrophic losses of form - see how Newcastle went under with Keegan and shearer second time round, and Ramos at Spurs.

On balance I think it is more sensible to buy small and work slowly but consistently. We already have a lot of good players - back them, get a couple of good experienced but modestly priced players with a point to prove, bring in young talent.

Hollywood signings will murder us like Boro in my opinion, and arguably Villa are experiencing now, unless the owner is backing us to Chelsea/Man City/Spurs levels which I don't think is something we should be certain about.

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den, I am with you word for word.

I also agree that this club would not be able to stay up indefinitely with the kind of budget we have.

We have come a long way in around 3 months. When I gave this same opinion then I was accused of "scare-mongering".

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I mean big money buys for mid table clubs. Not the Chelsea/Man Us/Liverpools. They are in a different market. I am talking about clubs not in the CL who have thrown money around and where the big buys have got them.

Hear what you say in that no-one wants to splash 10's of millions on the likes of Crouch, but if we hadn't broken the British transfer record twice on Shearer and Sutton, there wouldn't be a Blackburn Rovers / Jack Walker story; he'd have been just another rich man who spent a fortune to shift his team up from 15th in the 2nd div to 15th in the 1st.

Buying quality is, and always has been the key.

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I think the main point Joey is trying to say is that no matter how much money you have to spend you have to spend it wisely.

There have been plenty of clubs that have spent more than we did and have had no real success to show for it. Villa spent over £100 million under O'Neill, Liverpool spent in the region of £200 million under Rafa Benitez and Spurs have spent large amounts of money and whilst they are showing some signs of that investment now all they have to show for it is a League Cup.

It is undoubtedly a plus point that having more money will allow us to look at a greater range of players to choose from. But that doesn't always mean that a player at the highest end of the price spectrum is better than someone at the lowest end. We may find for example 10 strikers to choose from, the most expensive costs £15 million and the lowest costs £5 million. After scouting we may come to the conclusion that the £5 million player is far better for our system or style of play and is the one we should go for.

Ultimately the message here is that we should carry out a sensible approach to transfers if we do come into some money. Scout across the globe, find players that can do a job from the lowest price to the highest, young with potential or out of favour with their current club, scout them all out and make a decision thats best for the team.

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