[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[Amo]

Have we been sold yet?

[American]

Finally Phillip once again you are so completely wrong it's hilarious

You, sir, are the wind beneath my wings...

[CrazyIvan]

It is you throwing the abuse and not answering questions.

Come on, answer the damn questions once and for all. And please tell us who this magical source of information is since they appear to be completely wrong...

[philipl]

Who or what is wrong?

[CrazyIvan]

Who or what is wrong?

You and your 'source'. The story you have been peddling for a long time. Come on, reveal all for once.

[jannerman]

Oh and yes, to a previous poster, I thought Stroke Boy season was hilarious, and cannot wait for the next installment. Way back in I think 2008 we were introduced to Stroke Boy when we were in New Jersey on transfer deadline day and Williams had this site on a projector screen and Sky Sports on via satellite, it was about 6 o'clock in the evening and there was beer and sandwiches and for 3 hours we were in absolute stitches following posts and watching the TV. That evening was definitely a highlight.

Think this is amazing, Stroke Boy going international? Lmfao

Not going to get involved in the arguments here because no matter what anyone says/thinks, if you love the club then the passion will out, that's the nature of supporting a football team, nice to see it translates across the pond too. I'm really guilty to admit that for the first time this season (in what 20 odd years supporting) I've begun to wonder if I should be looking for a different team to follow - but I can't even consider it more than that it's frightening to think I would ever stop supporting the club.

Which is why reading Riverciders posts make me want to curl up into a ball and sob myself to sleep - of course we are going to have to take his word for it that the guys involved are/were as stand up as he makes them out to be - but that is the sort of support and development the club has been crying out for, and if they were won over that easily by little old Blackburn Rovers just think of what that could have meant for the potential stateside and beyond.

And to think, we could yet wind up in the Championship....

[thenodrog]

Starting with your name might help

Isaac Cheung (formerly of Plainfield Asset Management)

Isaac Cheung? Philip must feel like introducing himself as Isaac Hunt.

[philipl]

"There is no progress on the sale of the club.

"There are various interested parties, but there is no active due diligence process under way."- John Williams 9 August 2007

It is in the public domain as is everything else I have posted.

[The Gull]

Who or what is wrong?

Fook me Phillipl!

I do not doubt, from the limited knowledge I have of you as a long time member of this board, that you are an intelligent man but it seems to me you are obviously lacking something.

You have been asked to justify your statements, which have been rubished by an apparent eye witness, as to what happened back then.

By avoiding to answer the question of your apparent proof of a different version of events you are discrediting yourself. You may be too successful in your life to worry about what people on this board think about you, but you appear to want to get your opinion across therefore making me think you do care, otherwise why would you bother?

[bringdunnback]

Philipl you are so boring, I wrote this, does that make it fact? I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this so I'm going to take it as fact.

[philipl]

What exactly has been rubbished?

Nothing

That the bid to buy the club by the Williams consortium was over before the press story broke - that has been confirmed by our new poster.

I used the term "shooed out" which I agree was a bit emotive and of course I am happy that there are continuing good relations with the Plainfield people, Dan Williams and the Rovers- that is all normal and professional. But as of yet several of my questions have conspicuously not been answered so there is no basis for taking this further.

Read the last eight pages or so of this thread and all the emotional aggression has come from rovercider. The doubting of his bona fides was from other posters until his childish outburst today which simply does not accord with an investment professional writing on a public forum like this.

[rivercider]

"There is no progress on the sale of the club.

"There are various interested parties, but there is no active due diligence process under way."- John Williams 9 August 2007

It is in the public domain as is everything else I have posted.

"Personally if I were Big Sam I'd bring on Roberts and go 4-4-2 in the second half"

Robbie Savage, today at half time

What do either of our quotes have to do with the Plainfield takeover? Nothing. We'd done all our due diligence by early June of 2007, made the bid and were nothing more than interested spectators by July 4th of that year.

Of course you knew that though, because you were in touch with all the first hand sources at the time, not just plucking random quotes out of the ether to make some point I am not sure anyone really understands.

Anyone else wonder if Phillipl IS stroke boy? They seem to have the same approach to a "story" - hang around the Rovers boards, piece together a few words and state it as FACT.

Have you and Stroke Boy ever been seen together at the same time Phillipl? Similar obsession with the resident journo here as well.

And yes, I can confirm that Stroke Boy is truly an international phenomenon, not only having now reached the Eastern Seaboards of the US (we had an over/under running on how many "exclusives" of his we could find elsewhere), but Peter Cuneo even mentioned him in an e-mail sent from South Africa last year "has Stroke Boy re-appeared this season" - he is global, trans-continental, and still simply has to rank as the worst idea any TV executive has had since they tried to bring back Knight Rider a few years ago.

[imy9]

What exactly has been rubbished?

Nothing

That the bid to buy the club by the Williams consortium was over before the press story broke - that has been confirmed by our new poster.

I used the term "shooed out" which I agree was a bit emotive and of course I am happy that there are continuing good relations with the Plainfield people, Dan Williams and the Rovers- that is all normal and professional. But as of yet several of my questions have conspicuously not been answered so there is no basis for taking this further.

Read the last eight pages or so of this thread and all the emotional aggression has come from rovercider. The doubting of his bona fides was from other posters until his childish outburst today which simply does not accord with an investment professional writing on a public forum like this.

Taken from Post 680:

March 16th on here, you stated that Dan Williams (and by extension Plainfield) were shooed out of the club and that they used (operative word) the press.

Since credibility is so important to you, can you back up either of those statements.

See I can prove for a fact that both statements are false. The "press" themselves have told you that you were wrong on the latter point, and I can tell you that Williams and Plainfield reps have both been contacted since by both the club and its reps, and were never shooed out in the first place, and indeed you are welcome to verify this with either the club or either Plainfield staff or Williams himself (i.e. PM me or e-mail him).

Again, if you feel you have credibility for some reason, please outline that.

Starting with your name might help

Isaac Cheung (formerly of Plainfield Asset Management)

You may want to look at the bits in bold, I am most interested in the "can you back up your statements" over to you... and your "source"

[rivercider]

Taken from Post 680:

March 16th on here, you stated that Dan Williams (and by extension Plainfield) were shooed out of the club and that they used (operative word) the press.

Since credibility is so important to you, can you back up either of those statements.

See I can prove for a fact that both statements are false. The "press" themselves have told you that you were wrong on the latter point, and I can tell you that Williams and Plainfield reps have both been contacted since by both the club and its reps, and were never shooed out in the first place, and indeed you are welcome to verify this with either the club or either Plainfield staff or Williams himself (i.e. PM me or e-mail him).

Again, if you feel you have credibility for some reason, please outline that.

Starting with your name might help

Isaac Cheung (formerly of Plainfield Asset Management)

You may want to look at the bits in bold, I am most interested in the "can you back up your statements" over to you... and your "source"

While you're at in PhillipL - from this weekend "If the numbers mentioned on here are correct, then the offer made was many millions less than just the value of land and buildings in the Rovers' accounts."

The value of land and buildings in the Rovers accounts in 2007, which I assume you are privy to, was just under 14mm sterling net of the debts or 40mm if you took out the 20mm in bank debt/loans and the 6mm in loans put in from the two previous years that the trustees wanted back.

Since the bid was 35mm plus debts (or by the same rationale, 61mm total, plus an additional 15mm - 20mm in further investment) I think we can agree that you are wrong there. Even a dumb American knows that the BID (35mm+20mm+6mm over time in debt = 61mm) was many millions MORE than the value of the land and buildings (just under 40mm).

So valuation vs land/buildings - wrong. Evidence - Rovers' accounts.

Williams and Plainfield were "shooed out" in 2007 - wrong. Evidence - I was there for the very amicable handshake that it just wasn't going to happen, the mutual well wishes, and the follow up in mid-late 2008 when they were contacted to see if there was any interest in reviving things.

They then used the media to prop up the failing bid - wrong. Evidence - Nixon himself, the very "media" you claimed they used, confirmed that HE tracked THEM down, and they were very reluctant to talk to him.

I've only gone back 5 posts in your history, shall I continue?

If Rovers' publicly available accounts, the versions of events of people involved at the time and the writings of Mr. Nixon who is highly respected and has a great track record all show that even your most recent posts are (that word again) wrong, and you can produce nothing supported by any evidence to counter, then I think we can put this argument to bed.

What matters now is who the new interested parties are, and let's just hope that the eagerness to sell does not lead to a new owner who sets the club back (since Jack's will makes no set provisions regarding sellers, it exists only to provide for his family....did I mention how WRONG you were in that regard too?)

Isaac

[koi]

[brian_gallagher85]

Give that man/woman a medal

[rivercider]

Give that man/woman a medal

I thought the expression round that part of the world was "kizza kiss"

By the way, I live in Deptford NJ, and have noticed several posters on this Board have visited either NYC or Philadelphia (I live half way between the two) and stated it is hard to find Rovers games on TV and/or find fellow Rovers fans when there.

The Philadelphia Union (new MLS team) has a rabid fanbase called the Sons of Ben and about 60 of their 4,000 members are Rovers fans (most are "plastics" who support whoever is winning - thanks to the poster from Friday for the new name for fairweather fans). There is a bar in Philly called Fado (and also ironically a strip bar near the airport called Oasis) that show lots of Rovers games live for anyone in Philly, and in NYC there are several places on the East Side between 40th and 50th street where a $10 tab for the barman will see him change the TV to any game you want. Just a tip for anyone in the area for whatever reason who wants to catch a Rovers game (or have an excuse for being in a titty bar). If you ever do pop in and see a pair of "stockily built" Asian guys with pounds of latent relaxed muscle in the chin area, wearing red and black Rovers shirts, chances are that's me and Vee-An, say hi.

[Iceman]

Oh ffs!

[T4E]

Isaac, as a relatively new contributor to this forum, you may have missed some of Philips previous gems. In order to save you any further wasted effort, here's a couple to illustrate what you're up against -

He once insisted that Rovers were in as good a position as any club in World football to sign Xabi Alonso from Liverpool. Now, you've mentioned not being too big a "football" fan, so I'll explain (apologies if you already know these details). The gist of Philip's point was that Alonso was unwanted at Liverpool, and no bigger/richer clubs would want or need him. Less than a year later, Alonso transferred to Real Madrid for £30m. To this day Philip still insists he was right.

He also once assured us that he was "as sure as he could be" that Sam Allardyce would not be appointed as Rovers manager, failing to cite a source but inferring that he knew some "inside" info. 2 or 3 days later, Allardyce was appointed Rovers manager.

Give the old boy his dues - he can take one on the chin and keep coming forward. You've won a clear unanimous points decision - show a little compassion and let him walk away while he still can

[S15]

The Alonso summer is still my favourite. That and the Villenueva/Salgado threads. The common denominator?

!!OSUROMA

[broadsword]

I've just seen that popcorn icon ... and now I have to go and make myself some popcorn.

It will soak up all that beer.

[rivercider]

Isaac, as a relatively new contributor to this forum, you may have missed some of Philips previous gems. In order to save you any further wasted effort, here's a couple to illustrate what you're up against -

He once insisted that Rovers were in as good a position as any club in World football to sign Xabi Alonso from Liverpool. Now, you've mentioned not being too big a "football" fan, so I'll explain (apologies if you already know these details). The gist of Philip's point was that Alonso was unwanted at Liverpool, and no bigger/richer clubs would want or need him. Less than a year later, Alonso transferred to Real Madrid for £30m. To this day Philip still insists he was right.

He also once assured us that he was "as sure as he could be" that Sam Allardyce would not be appointed as Rovers manager, failing to cite a source but inferring that he knew some "inside" info. 2 or 3 days later, Allardyce was appointed Rovers manager.

Give the old boy his dues - he can take one on the chin and keep coming forward. You've won a clear unanimous points decision - show a little compassion and let him walk away while he still can

I guess if you subscribe to the idea that Sarah Palin was put on this earth to make George Bush look smart, then there's a role for everyone, even lovable class clowns.

I will leave it there then - call it the punch Ali never threw when Frazier was going down.

This site is fantastic reading for a relative newbie like me - not only has my football IQ gone up 30 points from scanning threads, I've learnt an entirely new vocabulary and I have managed to (hopefully) get a clearer understanding of the culture of Blackburn which I hope will help in future visits. I am even going to try a "cornish pastie" - thank you Marc for that particular tip.

[beerwins]

I guess if you subscribe to the idea that Sarah Palin was put on this earth to make George Bush look smart, then there's a role for everyone, even lovable class clowns.

I will leave it there then - call it the punch Ali never threw when Frazier was going down.

This site is fantastic reading for a relative newbie like me - not only has my football IQ gone up 30 points from scanning threads, I've learnt an entirely new vocabulary and I have managed to (hopefully) get a clearer understanding of the culture of Blackburn which I hope will help in future visits. I am even going to try a "cornish pastie" - thank you Marc for that particular tip.

I will give you a better tip, if you want to try a cornish pasty go to Cornwall...Once bought one in Newquay the size of my head! And if you find your relaxed chin muscles are getting bigger STOP drinking bitter, room temperature beer means bitter or mild which means food in a glass, like alcoholic gravy!

All said and done thank you for your posts they have been a really nice refreshing read although I think its me who gives away the more important info

[rivercider]

I will give you a better tip, if you want to try a cornish pasty go to Cornwall...Once bought one in Newquay the size of my head! And if you find your relaxed chin muscles are getting bigger STOP drinking bitter, room temperature beer means bitter or mild which means food in a glass, like alcoholic gravy!

All said and done thank you for your posts they have been a really nice refreshing read although I think its me who gives away the more important info

I just looked up Cornwall to see if there was an away game Rovers might play there, but it seems you have an entire county without a football team there.

The idea of ground seasoned lamb, carrots and swede in a pastry shell.....sounds like the perfect snack to eat at a sporting event.

One thing I REALLY would like help with - bitter vs lager. Over here a "lager" is a darker ale, like Yuengling or Sam Adams, but in the UK it's the fizzy beer that is lager (Stella etc) and the tasty stuff is bitter...now I prefer the latter, but have always taken the safe option and gone with John Smiths or Tetleys......is there a local ale I should be trying next month when I'm over?

[BlueWhiteDynamite]

I guess you can't get much closer to home than this

http://www.danielthwaites.com/Drinks/OurBeers/