[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[beerwins]

I just looked up Cornwall to see if there was an away game Rovers might play there, but it seems you have an entire county without a football team there.

The idea of ground seasoned lamb, carrots and swede in a pastry shell.....sounds like the perfect snack to eat at a sporting event.

One thing I REALLY would like help with - bitter vs lager. Over here a "lager" is a darker ale, like Yuengling or Sam Adams, but in the UK it's the fizzy beer that is lager (Stella etc) and the tasty stuff is bitter...now I prefer the latter, but have always taken the safe option and gone with John Smiths or Tetleys......is there a local ale I should be trying next month when I'm over?

I once went to a local beer festival at the town hall now I remember going in but not so much the coming out there was plenty of local ales on show there and some of them were mighty strong im afraid I cant really divulge the names of the local ones so much as I had my hands full with a one called the dogs dangley bits and another named something in the region of some grumpy old man.

I am pretty sure some of the lads on here enjoy a tipple or two now and again and probably would be more than happy to tell of the secret circles of bitter that blows off your head and where to buy a pint of the lethal gravy in a glass.

As for the footballing problems of the southwest of England see the aforementioned pastie as a solution.

[Neil Weaver]

Not going to pretend I can contribute a lot to the intellectual debate but here are a couple of thoughts on the local ale front.......

There's a small Blackburn brewery called 'Three B' s. Haven't had a bad one yet. Worth a look

As for more 'mainstream' outfits, Thwaites is the local Blackburn brewer, but much as it pains me to say it there's some decent ale comes out of Burnley : Moorhouse's. Again, tricky to find a bad one. Pendle Witch is a good stronger beer, one of my favourites is Black Cat - a fine dark ale that won't knock you over after a few pints. You can see a bit more about Moorhouse's here

[Paul]

And the questions about why come on here to tell us what happened then and why come on now still stand. I have no axe to grind with the poster but I can't see what anyone gets out of this info being out there now unless there's something going on and someone, somewhere thinks it's useful. Otherwise discreet silence would have been more apt I feel. Or perhaps that's just me

And very quietly the voice of reason speaks..........point well made gumboots.

If I google my own name I can find accurate information, and I'm nobody. If I google philip + surname I find information which backs up who he is and what he says he does. If I google Isaac Cheung + Plainfield I find nothing which I can easily recognise. I gave all three roughly the same attention.

I met philip in Blues when he was spending time in the area for family reasons. For a some time I've viewed the MB as "just dropping in at the local" and listening to people's opinions. For this reason I gave up trying to follow some of philip's reasoning because it became too complex for me to easily follow ( I only skim the bulk of the MB) and secondly he seems to have time to research matters in far more detail than I have any inclination to. When I met philip he seemed to me to be a straight-forward person with his own views, he appears well connected and again appears to have time and contacts available through a past successful business life. I'd be more than happy to have a drink with him on another occassion. His opinions are interesting to read, as opinions on a message board they are though only that. They are well constructed and a touch more than "my mate's girlfriend's second cousin twice removed" stuff we get on occassions.

rivercider has in the space of a few days moved from opening his posting history with a perfectly reasonable explaination of the Dan Williams affair, though I have to say he no more backs up his sources than philip does, to an open slanging match with philip. The basis of some of rivercider's posts seem to be he (rivercider) is telling the truth (based on his assertion he was present at the time) and philip is at best twisting facts or at worst lieing to fulfill an agenda to bring down the club. As far as I can see we have rivercider's word he posts the truth, equally philip asserts the same. I suppose you pay your money and take your choice

What I find difficult to understand is simply this, rivercider is a poster who strongly asserts he knows the truth about the Dan Williams bid, philip equally asserts he has other such knowledge. One has maintained a view for years, the other has posted twice before. rivercider brings entirely positive news for the majority, even if it's three years old and irrelevant to our current position, philip brings an alternative view. rivercider has changed the mood of his posting from simply informative to outright attacks on philip. One has to wonder why? The other question which runs around my mind is simply why do fans always chose to believe the person who brings them the better news? Isn't there an expression on the lines of "Hope over experience" or similar?

What have we learnt in the last few days? Relatively little because we have been offered no more evidence, by rivercider, than that provided by philip, perhaps less because we only have a newcomer's assertion on these points.

In the past I've stated I'll believe it when I hear it from the club or see the player on the pitch. I think people are far too easily taken in by positive news / views.

[American]

Paul - you leave out a couple of things:

Nicko backs up RCs version of events and no one with any insider knowledge backs up Philips.

Philip admits at one point that he was just giving his opinion (though in credit, he always does a great job disguising his opinion as fact).

[Billy Castell]

So is there any stories regarding a takeover or not? I read the last few pages and any news was masked by constant name calling and willy waving.

[S15]

Mine's bigger than yours'.

[jim mk2]

What have we learnt in the last few days? Relatively little because we have been offered no more evidence, by rivercider, than that provided by philip, perhaps less because we only have a newcomer's assertion on these points.

Not so. Rivercider has put considerable flesh on the bones of a story outlined 3 years ago by Alan Nixon that is totally at odds with the version provided by philip. I'd be one of the first to be knock down a seemingly dishonest poster but rivercider's knowledge of events corroborated by Nixon is such that he cannot be ignored. As to rivercider's motives for disclosing this information (other than his stated wish to put straight some of the more wild stories on here), one can only speculate.

[otto man]

Not so. Rivercider has put considerable flesh on the bones of a story outlined 3 years ago by Alan Nixon that is totally at odds with the version provided by philip. I'd be one of the first to be knock down a seemingly dishonest poster but rivercider's knowledge of events corroborated by Nixon is such that he cannot be ignored. As to rivercider's motives for disclosing this information (other than his stated wish to put straight some of the more wild stories on here), one can only speculate.

I honestly can't see what Rivercider would gain by coming on here and feeding us a pack of lies. As was stated above by jim it's way in the past and over and done with now.

[alexanders]

I can understand why Rivercider came on here to tell us the truth and to clear his friend Dan Williams name who wasnt very popular among many fans, but seems like a very nice bloke. I would do the complete same.

[koi]

Didn't know Three B's did a Porter, will have to try that one nom nom nom

[Paul]

Paul - you leave out a couple of things:

Nicko backs up RCs version of events and no one with any insider knowledge backs up Philips.

Philip admits at one point that he was just giving his opinion (though in credit, he always does a great job disguising his opinion as fact).

Not so. Rivercider has put considerable flesh on the bones of a story outlined 3 years ago by Alan Nixon that is totally at odds with the version provided by philip. I'd be one of the first to be knock down a seemingly dishonest poster but rivercider's knowledge of events corroborated by Nixon is such that he cannot be ignored. As to rivercider's motives for disclosing this information (other than his stated wish to put straight some of the more wild stories on here), one can only speculate.

I think the points are perfectly reasonable. I'm happy to believe the views / facts rivercider puts forward just as I'm happy to believe what philip posts. I then take a view myself. What I do question is the motivation behind this sudden rash of posts. The one real question I have is this. In my working life I am privy to confidential information, some of it now years old and probably irrelevant, but I would no more post it on an internet forum today than I would have done three or more years back. If one is given confidences it's difficult, in my view, to know when it is acceptable to publish that information. People keep me informed because they know I would never reveal the information, this is where my questioning comes from.

[S15]

Well it seems like the main player behind the initial bid wanted the real information revealed, as it paints him in a much more positive light to the supporters of the club he supports?

Is it really that big a deal? Sod all has changed, we just know a little more about what happened.

[Paul]

Just to add. If I appear to take the opposite view on occassions it's because I feel too many folk are influenced by what appears to be the more popular or more loudly shouted opinion. It applies as much to politics, religion, social comment as it does to Blackburn Rovers

[S15]

Just to add. If I appear to take the opposite view on occassions it's because I feel too many folk are influenced by what appears to be the more popular or more loudly shouted opinion. It applies as much to politics, religion, social comment as it does to Blackburn Rovers

Well of course they are, but thats usually because the most popular opinion in a LOT of cases happens to the the correct one.

Of course it's annoying to some when people seemingly follow trends by instinct, but just as annoying are those who by reflex go against what seems most popular.

[Craigman]

Just a thought, could anyone email John Williams and see if he could confirm or deny what Isaac has said.

I suppose though, some people would not believe John Williams then either ?!

[PAFELL]

I think the points are perfectly reasonable. I'm happy to believe the views / facts rivercider puts forward just as I'm happy to believe what philip posts. I then take a view myself. What I do question is the motivation behind this sudden rash of posts. The one real question I have is this. In my working life I am privy to confidential information, some of it now years old and probably irrelevant, but I would no more post it on an internet forum today than I would have done three or more years back. If one is given confidences it's difficult, in my view, to know when it is acceptable to publish that information. People keep me informed because they know I would never reveal the information, this is where my questioning comes from.

What if permission was given to disclose the various information, in order to put the record straight. Has not rivercider said in a post that other people he worked for know he is sharing this info - I maybe wrong on that but cannot be bothered now looking back over the past posts.

[Paul]

Well of course they are, but thats usually because the most popular opinion in a LOT of cases happens to the the correct one.

Of course it's annoying to some when people seemingly follow trends by instinct, but just as annoying are those who by reflex go against what seems most popular.

A good point and a fair one but it's not always the case. I'm not against either view but I am very interested to know why this information is being posted and I agree it has been stated it is with the knowledge of those involved at the time.

It's not a reflex for me, I could easily point to other recent threads on this message board and raise excatly the same question but on different subjects.

[jannerman]

I just looked up Cornwall to see if there was an away game Rovers might play there, but it seems you have an entire county without a football team there.

The idea of ground seasoned lamb, carrots and swede in a pastry shell.....sounds like the perfect snack to eat at a sporting event.

One thing I REALLY would like help with - bitter vs lager. Over here a "lager" is a darker ale, like Yuengling or Sam Adams, but in the UK it's the fizzy beer that is lager (Stella etc) and the tasty stuff is bitter...now I prefer the latter, but have always taken the safe option and gone with John Smiths or Tetleys......is there a local ale I should be trying next month when I'm over?

Seeing as this is far more important I thought I'd clear this us as a cornishman....

It's diced beef skirt (cheap bit I gather), potato, onion and turnip and a bit of seasoning, but I leave out the onion because I'm a fussy git.

If you're ever in Plymouth (I know, I know) you will find two or three Ivor Dewdneys shops, I think they sell some of the best I've ever had - they used to sell one called the "Field Gunner" which was a bloody massive meal!

Oh and there is a team, just over the border, they're about to be sampling League One football methinks, mind you, they did get fined a year or two ago because one of the fans threw his pasty at the ref, "Don't worry ref, it's only a Pasty" was the chant of the day iirc

We have lots of beer festivals down here as well, although as I get older my system can't cope with a dozen or so different beers in one sitting :-(

I'll get my coat...

[Hughesy]

The 1 dodgy thing I think is the fact that the email address is Dan Firth & not williams....

[DanLad]

There was a chap with (potentially*) ginger hair in the Fox before the game looking around as though waiting for someone to offer him a pint. Was that Dan Williams or the Drog?!?

* He had a baseball cap on.

[Majiball]

Oh and there is a team, just over the border, they're about to be sampling League One football methinks, mind you, they did get fined a year or two ago because one of the fans threw his pasty at the ref, "Don't worry ref, it's only a Pasty" was the chant of the day iirc

Truro Town, don't you mean? They have spent a fortune on players for a club of their standing. Some players are almost on a grand a week!! Just a pity the locals wouldn't let them build a purpose built stadium and leisure centre???? Baffling guess they must have been worried about the drop off in sheep demands??? : Ref's take loads of abuse down that way, devon as well. But its still not as good as a local teams captain taking a "Cantona" impersonation to the next level???

As for the on going debate, why was I not invited??? At the end of the day it all smells a little bit as it seems to serve no purpose? Why would a millionaire really care what we think of him, especially since he's not re-bidding. He waits 3 years and then sends one of his ex/employees to set the record straight? Or even an ex/employee being so incensed over comments that they wait 3 years to post, as well as seeking permission from his previous employers? This is the part I don't get, it makes no sense, at least to me anyway.

[gumboots]

As for the on going debate, why was I not invited??? At the end of the day it all smells a little bit as it seems to serve no purpose? Why would a millionaire really care what we think of him, especially since he's not re-bidding. He waits 3 years and then sends one of his ex/employees to set the record straight? Or even an ex/employee being so incensed over comments that they wait 3 years to post, as well as seeking permission from his previous employers? This is the part I don't get, it makes no sense, at least to me anyway.

It's the part I don't get either. Nobody is disputing the story of what happened around the time of the proposed Williams takeover - there has been some corroboration of some of it at least - but I can't quite believe that a businessman is so upset over the abuse some posters have given with regards to that takeover that an ex-employee needs to come on and clean the guys image up a bit. If this is a genuine person connected or formerly connected with the group around Williams then this info has to be out there for a real purpose, and not cos the person is upset.

[den]

And the questions about why come on here to tell us what happened then and why come on now still stand. I have no axe to grind with the poster but I can't see what anyone gets out of this info being out there now unless there's something going on and someone, somewhere thinks it's useful. Otherwise discreet silence would have been more apt I feel. Or perhaps that's just me

Why?

I for one am interested in any details about a proposed takeover of BRFC. I can't for the life of me understand why any Rovers fan wouldn't be. Redevelopment of the Riverside stand, how the cash was to be raised, who was involved and why, how these processes work - why wouldn't you be interested?

As for the actual truth in all of this, well I have no idea as to what went on, but I have no reason to doubt what rivercider has said. I see no evidence to suggest that he's not telling the truth, so as always, unless there is evidence contrary to what's said, I'll accept it, as I would from anyone.

There is a lot of detail in his story and as far as I can see, no-one has really cast any doubt against any of that.

[Amo]

As for the on going debate, why was I not invited??? At the end of the day it all smells a little bit as it seems to serve no purpose? Why would a millionaire really care what we think of him, especially since he's not re-bidding. He waits 3 years and then sends one of his ex/employees to set the record straight? Or even an ex/employee being so incensed over comments that they wait 3 years to post, as well as seeking permission from his previous employers? This is the part I don't get, it makes no sense, at least to me anyway.

I reckon all will become clear on April 1st.

[nicko]

Fascinating debate, but one point.

Ivor Dewdneys pasties always had too much onion in them for my taste.