[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[Mr. E]

Seriously, are there people who are being hooked by the crap that the BBC write? They, and by this I mean pretty much the entire Premiership, want us to fail. They don't want any money going into Rovers, they don't want us in the Premiership, they never did and they never will. It sounds like an exaggerated "us against the world" scenario, but that is pretty much the case. If digging up some imaginary dirt on our potential buyer can in any way help hinder the deal, than it's worth a shot.

[Dufflite]

...and those in the 'know' actually know what? Heresay and assumptions. Reading between the lines is not dealing with facts. I've been involved in many company take overs and if I based my decisions after reading between the lines nothing would ever happen. There are some people who have significant amounts of cash invested in this process already - due diligence is VERY expensive - so why would they jeopardise anything with careless talk that might be repeated on a message board? I still say show me the facts.

[S15]

Seriously, are there people who are being hooked by the crap that the BBC write? They, and by this I mean pretty much the entire Premiership, want us to fail. They don't want any money going into Rovers, they don't want us in the Premiership, they never did and they never will. It sounds like an exaggerated "us against the world" scenario, but that is pretty much the case. If digging up some imaginary dirt on our potential buyer can in any way help hinder the deal, than it's worth a shot.

Again, one who's ability to read is being called into question.

People are being 'hooked in' by what has been written by the couple of people around here who have inside information. And, seeing as they are insinuating that the deal has halted, news which arrives just a few days after the BBC allegations, of course people are going to assume that some of the points raised within those allegations are going to be responsible for the deals apparent halt.

Very, very simple to understand.

[Iceman]

'For no apparent reason?' You're clearly not the best at 'reading in-between the lines' are you?

Try having another read over the last few pages, particularly at Kamy's reaction to peoples disappointed reactions under the assumption that the deal have fallen through. You know, the one where he all but confirms that's what he's heard.

A blind man on a galloping horse could interpret what has been written by those 'in the know' around here, but if you're struggling, I'm sure one of the locals will spell it out for you.

although to be fair Shilito, Kamy has come back and said hold the back page story. He is not sure himself, that the deal has fallen through. Its wait and see what happens right now...

[S15]

...and those in the 'know' actually know what? Heresay and assumptions. Reading between the lines is not dealing with facts. I've been involved in many company take overs and if I based my decisions after reading between the lines nothing would ever happen. There are some people who have significant amounts of cash invested in this process already - due diligence is VERY expensive - so why would they jeopardise anything with careless talk that might be repeated on a message board? I still say show me the facts.

If you've read the entire thread I'm pretty sure you'd have caught on to the fact that those 'in the know' are dealing with people involved in the proposed takeover directly.

Try reading the last five 'news' items where Kamy has got his information direct from Ali Syed's secretary directly. The simple fact is YOU'RE unwilling to accept what is starting to look like the most likely scenario; The deal is on the verge of collapsing.

[tonyoz]

Seriously, are there people who are being hooked by the crap that the BBC write? They, and by this I mean pretty much the entire Premiership, want us to fail. They don't want any money going into Rovers, they don't want us in the Premiership, they never did and they never will. It sounds like an exaggerated "us against the world" scenario, but that is pretty much the case. If digging up some imaginary dirt on our potential buyer can in any way help hinder the deal, than it's worth a shot.

Do you mean that you wish that the BBC had never brought these matters to our attention? If so, I think you are very much in the minority. If this guy is flawed, we need to know about it.

[Mr. E]

Again, one who's ability to read is being called into question.

People are being 'hooked in' by what has been written by the couple of people around here who have inside information. And, seeing as they are insinuating that the deal has halted, news which arrives just a few days after the BBC allegations, of course people are going to assume that some of the points raised within those allegations are going to be responsible for the deals apparent halt.

Very, very simple to understand.

This "inside information" business is ridiculous. We would have had 15 new players this summer if everything we heard from the "inside information" people came true. If there's anything we should have learned by now is not to jump on conclusions based on rumors, good or bad. When John Williams comes out with an official statement, that's when we will know.

[S15]

although to be fair Shilito, Kamy has come back and said hold the back page story. He is not sure himself, that the deal has fallen through. Its wait and see what happens right now...

Dufflite said that after reading the 'entire thread' he can't 'see why people think it's not happening.'

I was pointing out the bleeding obvious to him, and seeing as most people had gone to bed by the time Kamy posted that, the overall opinion of the thread is still how it is.

[Dufflite]

'For no apparent reason?' You're clearly not the best at 'reading in-between the lines' are you?

A blind man on a galloping horse could interpret what has been written by those 'in the know' around here, but if you're struggling, I'm sure one of the locals will spell it out for you.

'Interpreting' what is 'written between the lines' - now thats funny. Have you ever thought of working for BBC5?

[S15]

This "inside information" business is ridiculous. We would have had 15 new players this summer if everything we heard from the "inside information" people came true. If there's anything we should have learned by now is not to jump on conclusions based on rumors, good or bad. When John Williams comes out with an official statement, that's when we will know.

Jesus H. Do people lose track of their own arguments that quickly?

You said 'Have people really been hooked in by BBC bla bla etc,' to which i pointed out that they have been 'hooked in' by what has been posted by the guy who's been in direct contact with Ali Syeds people and people at the club for the last fortnight or so.

Again, very 'effing simple.

[Dufflite]

...oh and I should have said I'm very, very local

[S15]

'Interpreting' what is 'written between the lines' - now thats funny. Have you ever thought of working for BBC5?

No, but you should after the way you've manipulated what I've written to make an entirely different quote.

...oh and I should have said I'm very, very local

Again that inability to interpret is shining through. Do you really think I was referring to the geographical location of those posting on here?

[Bobby G]

Had a torrid night sleeping, partly cause of the disappointing "whispers" from last night. There is no smoke without fire and something must be happening somewhere for so many people to hear the same kind of thing. The question is whether any setback is terminal or not.

[Iceman]

holy ######, the earth is round

[tonyoz]

Reading between the lines is not dealing with facts. I've been involved in many company take overs and if I based my decisions after reading between the lines nothing would ever happen. There are some people who have significant amounts of cash invested in this process already - due diligence is VERY expensive - so why would they jeopardise anything with careless talk that might be repeated on a message board? I still say show me the facts.

I don't suppose we could ever hope to have all the facts but some degree of transparency would be nice. For instance, here is a quote from the first page of the WGA 2009 accounts:

"Western Gulf Advisory (WGA) established itself as one of the fastest

growing companies in the Middle East - reaching USD 64 million by

the end of 2008, and USD 275 million by June 2009. At the end of

year 2009, WGA notched up an impressive USD 1.2 billion in its rise

to high growth."

What it fails to mention is that USD 1.1 billion of this growth came from a loan by Ali himself. The so-called growth is mere fluff. The report is full of stuff like this.

[Mr. E]

I would also like to hear what precisely people think Syed's master plan is if everything he is saying is a lie. How exactly is he going to make money from our club? You can make money from Liverpool, Manchester United, heck - even Newcastle, but not Rovers.

[Dufflite]

The simple fact is YOU'RE unwilling to accept what is starting to look like the most likely scenario; The deal is on the verge of collapsing.

You are 'assuming' that that I'm unwilling to accept your interpretation of the information posted on here. Thats not a fact - and thats the point I'm making about the message board Chinese whispers on this take over.

One definite fact is a business man has spent a considerable sum of money to try and broker a deal. That is a very important fact to keep in mind. Both parties stand to loose a considerable amount of cash if this all goes pear shaped now.

[tonyoz]

I would also like to hear what precisely people think Syed's master plan is if everything he is saying is a lie. How exactly is he going to make money from our club? You can make money from Liverpool, Manchester United, heck - even Newcastle, but not Rovers.

This has always been a very good question.

[Dufflite]

Again that inability to interpret is shining through. Do you really think I was referring to the geographical location of those posting on here?

....and I thought you were very good at 'reading between the lines'?? Did you honestly think I was referring to location or are you being funny?

[Iceman]

why damage your whole entire business, by making false claims is what i want to know. If WGA is a successful company, why risk it all just so that you can buy a PL club? Other potential clients will look at this and say "i dont think i could do business with such a company"

another thing that is still baffling, is how we have allowed an alleged chancer, access to the clubs books. There are so many questions right now, but we still dont have a clue as to what is going on, or the answers to those questions.

if the takeover does not happen, rest assured we will still be in the PL until May next year. Whether we will be in the PL for the following season, well im confident that we will be. Its not all doom and gloom, disappointment perhaps, but we have survived with nothing for some time now. The earth is still round btw.

[Guest Kamy100]

Ok time to bring people up to date.

As people have already guessed what I posted last night was that I believed that the takeover bid had failed. This information has came from someone who is not connected with the bid, this coupled no statement being released against the BBC accusations (which was due Tuesday/Wednesday) and Mr Ali's team going completely quiet (even after being about the story of the takeover bid failing) suggests to me that the information is correct. Subsequently someone claiming to be close to the club has messaged me to say that the takeover is still happening. As of yet I have not been able to get any one officially confirm one way or the other (both on or off the record) whether the bid has collapsed or not.

Over the weeks it is no secret that I have built up a very good working relationship with Mr Ali's PR team, this has been a mutal thing, they have passed me information (on and off the record) and I have helped them understand the feelings of the fans and given them some background knowledge of Rovers as a club and about Blackburn as a town. The fact that they have gone silent (not just with me but with everyone) speaks volumne, the fact that even when told that a story was about to break about the takeover bid failing they still did not respond is again in my eyes very telling, on all other occasions they have responded to such matters, even though it may have been off the record.

So this is where we are, you all now as much I know. My gut feeling is that the takeover bid has failed, to many of the pieces fit together. I could be wrong. I am thinking that possibly the bid has failed at the fit and proper test stage. This of course may not be terminal, because both Rovers/Mr Ali could take this further if the bid has fallen down because of the fit and proper test.

I will continue to try and get some on the record official confirmation, as soon as I do I will post it on here.

[Bobby G]

Maybe some of the information in the BBC report has affected the PL who may want to strut their stuff and show that they arent sell-outs.

[tonyoz]

Thanks again Kamy. However I can't see how Rovers would back a bid that was likely to fail at the "fit and proper" stage. If it fails I reckon that Rovers will be responsible - or maybe Ali and his team have tasted what it is like to be Premier League Club owners and they can't/don't want to handle the scrutiny.

[John]

Let's wait and see, presumably we will hear something official in the next few days.

On a side note, strange comments from people who say he may have failed the fit and proper test, however, they hope it still goes through......surely you fail such a test for good reason!

[Iceman]

Ok time to bring people up to date.

As people have already guessed what I posted last night was that I believed that the takeover bid had failed. This information has came from someone who is not connected with the bid, this coupled no statement being released against the BBC accusations (which was due Tuesday/Wednesday) and Mr Ali's team going completely quiet (even after being about the story of the takeover bid failing) suggests to me that the information is correct. Subsequently someone claiming to be close to the club has messaged me to say that the takeover is still happening. As of yet I have not been able to get any one officially confirm one way or the other (both on or off the record) whether the bid has collapsed or not.

Over the weeks it is no secret that I have built up a very good working relationship with Mr Ali's PR team, this has been a mutal thing, they have passed me information (on and off the record) and I have helped them understand the feelings of the fans and given them some background knowledge of Rovers as a club and about Blackburn as a town. The fact that they have gone silent (not just with me but with everyone) speaks volumne, the fact that even when told that a story was about to break about the takeover bid failing they still did not respond is again in my eyes very telling, on all other occasions they have responded to such matters, even though it may have been off the record.

So this is where we are, you all now as much I know. My gut feeling is that the takeover bid has failed, to many of the pieces fit together. I could be wrong. I am thinking that possibly the bid has failed at the fit and proper test stage. This of course may not be terminal, because both Rovers/Mr Ali could take this further if the bid has fallen down because of the fit and proper test.

I will continue to try and get some on the record official confirmation, as soon as I do I will post it on here.

How does this tie in with Julie Andrews sister, Julia Thiem saying that the BBC report is inaccurate? Im still waiting to hear, why they are saying the BBC report is inaccurate.