[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[reckless]

Surely you cant dismiss Goldberg's allegations as easily as that?

Still, at least you've dismissed them quicker than Mr Syed.

No-one had heard of the 30 odd year old billionaire Abramovich until he appeared as Chelsea's potential buyer, so why the surprise no-one has heard of Syed? And City's owner come to that.

[ada2020]

Do you even know how wikipedia, or for that matter encyclopedias work?

People don't write about themselves.

Other people write about you. Especially if you're a multiple billionaire.

Wikipedia is just an example - there's naff all on google too. If you're worth that much money you'll be mentioned somewhere in the great big cyberspace.

Syed must be thinking he's found the most gullible set of football supporters going..

Well, rather shockingly, yes I am aware if how wiki works.

So if you knew a billionaire you would start a wiki page about them?

Yeah he must be shocked at how ungrateful some people are too, if he reads this board, or even exists for that matter maybe he has no google trail because he does not exist to create one. Conspiracy theories, smashing fun arnt they.

[67splitscreen]

Got it from inside the club that things were frantic today, can't go into detail but very significant work was 'demanded' today and had to be done today

All hands, battle stations ............... something unexpected appears on the radar.............deadlines have to be met ............. panic ................. Never good even if it is organised.

[S15]

All hands, battle stations ............... something unexpected appears on the radar.............deadlines have to be met ............. panic ................. Never good even if it is organised.

Maybe Ali Boy and Big John W ended the coke binge, got out of the jacuzzi full of money and brushed the punani frantically to one side as they realised the date and remembered they had paperwork to complete.

[67splitscreen]

Is he not the sole heir, strange in itself for most Indian families. (nuclear bunker entered and door locked)

Sorry ada did not mean to quote you.

[Balwer]

No-one had heard of the 30 odd year old billionaire Abramovich until he appeared as Chelsea's potential buyer, so why the surprise no-one has heard of Syed? And City's owner come to that.

Nobody had heard of City's owner? He's part of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi.

[ada2020]

Surely you cant dismiss Goldberg's allegations as easily as that?

Still, at least you've dismissed them quicker than Mr Syed.

Touché :-)

Have to say though as far as the allegations go, while they raise questions on him they are hardly damning if he has the cash in the bank to buy the club and run it for the foreseeable future.

Which, considering the four week exclusivity period and general belief that due diligence has been completed, would suggest he does have the money.

That's largely what counts to the people that are selling the club in my opinion

[Wiggy]

Yeah it is far more important than the fact the club has allowed him 4 weeks exclusivity, presumably based on the fact he has a bit of dough to buy the club.

This thread is lame, little in the way of facts and the biggest issue apparantly is that a multi billionaire hasn't created a wiki page to brag about the money he has.

Are you for real.

Roll on when this is all over.

Am I for real?

He HAS been bragging about how much money he has! All I want to know is why he hasn't done it before.

(By the way, are you still sore at the kid who told you there was no Father Christmas?)

[tony gale's mic]

Ok I'm not passing any judgement on Syed's bid until the evidence is concrete, but I'm actually really fed up of people saying this over and over. I've been reading this thread for a long time and not posting much, and as best as I can recall, the only evidence that anybody has gathered that he isn't known in any particular part of the world is that a western-named journalist who is mates with the potentially dubious Goldberg apparently asked a regional financial authority in the region of India he hails from but presumably doesn't really do business in anymore whether they knew who he was. This (potentially one) person didn't know who he was. Allegedly.

Correct me politely if I'm wrong, there may be one or two discrepancies in what I'm about to say but I'm sure it is mostly accurate. Nobody has asked everybody or apparently anybody in his hometown if they know who he is. One person/organisation in his home region has been asked and nobody else. One person in the whole of India who isn't even Indian has done the asking, and nobody else in India has been asked as far as I know. Nobody has asked everybody or anybody in Italy if they've heard of him. Nobody has asked everybody in the world if they've heard of him.

People who definitely HAVE heard of him: McCabe, Julia Thiem, French football marketing guru, the rest of Ali's people and associates (granted, many of these we haven't heard from), the people at Cubbie Station, the Bahrain authorities, a letting agent in London, the people who registered all his companies (incontrovertible evidence of which exists in England, Switzerland, Bahrain and Canada)...and more recently, Adrian Goldberg, the BBC, Blackburn Rovers, Rosthchilds, quite a lot of the world's media, and all of the fans at Blackburn Rovers. (As a slight aside from my real point, most of these people have done digging on him and his people, and not found ONE piece of SOLID evidence that he doesn't have major financial assets...a few question marks but no proof)

The man obviously exists (some of you are acting like he is a conjured phantom). He obviously has at least SOME international business dealings, regardless of what level they are at. And he obviously has enough money to hire a team of people to help him conduct the takeover bid and PR around it. Yes, we don't know yet whether he has the money and means he boasts about, but we don't know he doesn't either.

But what I'm really sick of, is people presenting the following as FACT when it just isn't established as such: "Nobody has heard of him in X, Y, Z", because the evidence for this is preposterously porous. There is very little digging has been done to prove this assertion, so stop casually using it as fact people, please. I wish somebody would do more digging on it.

Yeah people in various countries have heard of me too. I'm a billionaire, I could give you my real name (if I gave out my real name on this board, which I don't) and you could be charged with the task of proving I wasn't a billionaire.

There's no way you could do it really, there's almost nothing that would prove definitely I wasn't a billionaire; but the fact that so little existed about me or my achievements would be what would led you to think I was lying.

When I say "nobody has heard of him" I'm quite obviously using hyperbole as every single person in this world has people who have heard of them or know of them.

If it really needs spelling out, I'd say "for a billionaire, noone has heard of him".

Satisfied now?

[67splitscreen]

Maybe Ali Boy and Big John W ended the coke binge, got out of the jacuzzi full of money and brushed the punani frantically to one side as they realised the date and remembered they had paperwork to complete.

Nice one.

[reckless]

Nobody had heard of City's owner? He's part of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi.

Like everyone knows them too................can you name him without Googling etc

[Iceman]

Can somebody please create a Wiki page for Uncle Syed

[tony gale's mic]

No-one had heard of the 30 odd year old billionaire Abramovich until he appeared as Chelsea's potential buyer, so why the surprise no-one has heard of Syed? And City's owner come to that.

You serious? A hell of a lot of people had heard of both of those people. Abramovich was governor of a huge part of Russia and City's owner is president of the UAE.

[bluebruce]

That's what all the reports out of India have said, be it 5 live asking people around his home town, people on here asking relatives in India or people doing simple google searches which yield absolutely NOTHING except for his interest in Blackburn Rovers and isolated articles here and there.

The guy is reportedly worth billions and doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.

The only thing that can't possibly be true is his supposed fortune.

Ok, hadn't read this before I posted, but still. 5 Live DIDNT ask anyone in home town, or if they did nobody has mentioned it. They asked a journo to ask a regional authority. I haven't seen anybody asking any relatives in India, but unless they asked people in Ali's hometown this is irrelevant- I don't bury my head in the sand but I wouldn't be able to name every billionaire in England. And I should think most people in India have more pressing daily concerns than me. Somebody posted a list of billionaire Indians that was on Wiki, and some of those didn't have their own Wiki pages.

[MikeB]

MikeB - you tell us - you were very confident a few days ago that the deal would DEFINITELY go through. Why not so confident now ?

DMTP - a few days ago, 9 out of 10 people I met were all positive with an 'exclusive' to back it up. Today for example, I met a number of people with a range of different exclusives including it will happen, it will happen subject to, it wont happen and either Shah or the Aussies will buy to even the trust aren't selling now as they realise how valuable the asset now is and how the capital value will grow with further modest investment!!!!

The type of people I deal with tend to be smaller businessmen who all claim to know Tom, Dick, Harry, whoever and have all had the tap on the shoulder!!!

The speculation, fantasy and bullshit is similar to the average messageboard, however, historically, approx. 25% of it usually proves correct in my circles.

So if you can make sense of it then bugger me!!!

[ada2020]

Am I for real?

He HAS been bragging about how much money he has! All I want to know is why he hasn't done it before.

(By the way, are you still sore at the kid who told you there was no Father Christmas?)

Yes I am, I'll get him back too mark my words.

And regarding your more sensible point, bragging about the money he would put into the club was aimed at the fans, yes it was a brash claim designed to pollute our minds with mega bucks transfers but then that sort if thing counts in modern day football.

You don't really need to walk into other ailing business, which is how his investment model works according to him, and brag about how much money you are willing to put in to the business to anyone that will listen.

I do apologise for the brash comment you quoted, it was unnecessary.

[tony gale's mic]

Ok, hadn't read this before I posted, but still. 5 Live DIDNT ask anyone in home town, or if they did nobody has mentioned it. They asked a journo to ask a regional authority. I haven't seen anybody asking any relatives in India, but unless they asked people in Ali's hometown this is irrelevant- I don't bury my head in the sand but I wouldn't be able to name every billionaire in England. And I should think most people in India have more pressing daily concerns than me. Somebody posted a list of billionaire Indians that was on Wiki, and some of those didn't have their own Wiki pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_billionaires

The vast majority have wiki pages, a few don't but if you copy and paste their names into Google it brings up a wealth of information - usually with Forbes.com being one of the top results.

Whether you can name all the billionaires is irrelevant, if you put their names into the internet a hell of a lot of stuff would come up.

[BuckyRover]

You are really on one tonight TGM. You have already said he has access to millions. What is the exact amount of personal wealth that triggers a wiki entry?

Bb has already mentioned that there are Indian billionaires without a wiki page.

Pride comes before a fall, as they say.

[reckless]

You serious? A hell of a lot of people had heard of both of those people. Abramovich was governor of a huge part of Russia and City's owner is president of the UAE.

Not on the terraces at the time of takeovers. If you'd have asked most Chelsea fans or City fans, 6 months before their takeovers, if they had heard of either future owner, I think you'll find I am serious.

[Mattyblue]

Like everyone knows them too................can you name him without Googling etc

You what?!

Abramovich was also head of one of Russia's largest companies.

And I think quite a few people in business would have heard of the ruling head of one of the world's major oil producers.

[BuckyRover]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_billionaires

The vast majority have wiki pages, a few don't but if you copy and paste their names into Google it brings up a wealth of information - usually with Forbes.com being one of the top results.

Whether you can name all the billionaires is irrelevant, if you put their names into the internet a hell of a lot of stuff would come up.

What about the ones that aren't on that list though? The anonymous ones?

[S15]

Ladies, this is really boring. Either make Big Ali his own wiki page or revert to some harsh but hilarious personal insults to make it worth reading for the rest of us.

[bluebruce]

Yeah people in various countries have heard of me too. I'm a billionaire, I could give you my real name (if I gave out my real name on this board, which I don't) and you could be charged with the task of proving I wasn't a billionaire.

There's no way you could do it really, there's almost nothing that would prove definitely I wasn't a billionaire; but the fact that so little existed about me or my achievements would be what would led you to think I was lying.

When I say "nobody has heard of him" I'm quite obviously using hyperbole as every single person in this world has people who have heard of them or know of them.

If it really needs spelling out, I'd say "for a billionaire, noone has heard of him".

Satisfied now?

No. As nobody has seemingly bothered to look in any depth at the places he should be known. Or if they have, they've sourced it very poorly. As my second post says, Wiki isn't the best place to look someone up for a good dozen reasons I won't bore people with. Google (ie the internet) isn't the best place either. The example you gave about yourself is a bit ridiculous, surely you admit. I couldn't prove you weren't a billionaire, I doubt I would find a string of information about you concluding big business deals either. Ie, there would be NO info implying you were a billionaire.

[Henwah]

Just had an image then of the trust et al performing due diligence akin to what we are doing - JW sat googling away, with the nagging doubt of unopened mail and fresh flowers (though they could be plastic) playing on his mind... we have to assume they are privy to more than we have collectively discovered, and they are still in the game - surely that offers some hope?

[Mattyblue]

You're confident that, if we had a poll, most people would have known... wait... HEARD of Abramovich before his interest in Chelsea? Or the City owner?

You didnt know the ruling family of Abu Dhabi were filthy rich before City?

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