[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[S15]

No need to post anymore, you've clearly dispelled the prejudice jibe with that beauty.

[47er]

No need to post anymore, you've clearly dispelled the prejudice jibe with that beauty.

I'm not trying to dispel your jibe about prejudice in case you hadn't noticed. I cheerfully admit I'm prejudiced against tattoos, especially those covering vast areas as in a certain player I said I wouldn't mention again. Did I touch a raw nerve here? Are you by some chance covered in the things? You'll be sorry!

[Blue n White Rover]

I'm not trying to dispel your jibe about prejudice in case you hadn't noticed. I cheerfully admit I'm prejudiced against tattoos, especially those covering vast areas as in a certain player I said I wouldn't mention again. Did I touch a raw nerve here? Are you by some chance covered in the things? You'll be sorry!

Count yourself lucky that Salgado only has a mini tattoo!

[S15]

Are you by some chance covered in the things? You'll be sorry!

Not at all, but still, I have immense respect for David Beckham and what he has achieved. He is probably England's most outstanding player of the past decade or so, and will rightly go down as an all time great.

Tattoos change this how?

[gumboots]

Liked the rest of your post smoss but this bit leapt out at me for a comment. The teenagers I know usually go in exactly the opposite direction to that advocated to them. If enough people follow the big 4/5 then that will become the established view/position and they will rebel and walk in the opposite direction looking for some rebel cause to nail their colours to. Being told that classical music is technically far superior to hip hop will not result in the Royal Albert Hall being filled with teenagers.

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Whilst agreeing that teenagers like to rebel against things, the fact is they don't rebel against the Sky 4 or at least not here in England. The majority of kids, and especially those with no previous family loyalties (often the children of immigrants in the 60s onwards, but not necessarily so) follow Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea in that order. Some get over it when they grow up, but others are a lost generation creating their own next lost generation when they too don't support their local team and pass it on to their kids. Now I know you're talking about a more global market but if the club can't sell its brand to its own local kids, what are the chances of it being able to sell it to others with no allegiance to start with?

[Amo]

[DeadlyDirk]

Just trying to catch up on this thread, am I right in understanding we've been bought out by David Beckhams tattoo fund?

[47er]

Not at all, but still, I have immense respect for David Beckham and what he has achieved. He is probably England's most outstanding player of the past decade or so, and will rightly go down as an all time great.

Tattoos change this how?

We must have been @#/? over the last 10 years then.

[broadsword]

Tattoos don't change someone's personality, but if you cover yourself in them like some Yakuza gangster, you do end up looking a bit weird.

I saw someone who had his face covered in the things once, now he did look like a freak.

[Rover9]

They could also make money by having an app for the iPhone. I am sure a lot of people would buy it. Up to date information etc.

I do seem to remember Lee over on the official forums saying that an iphone app was in the pipeline, also think he mentioned that it would be available in the coming months.

[gumboots]

Tattoos don't change someone's personality, but if you cover yourself in them like some Yakuza gangster, you do end up looking a bit weird.

I saw someone who had his face covered in the things once, now he did look like a freak.

Whilst I don't like tattoos in any shape or form and don't understand why people want to undergo pain if they don't have to (and before you ask I don't have pierced ears for the same reason) it's not the tattoos I hold against Beckham. It's the fact that somehow he's managed to con people into thinking that possessing a talent for deadball situations equates to being one of the world's best footballers. He runs about a lot too, I'll give him that, but I just don't get the idolisation that he gets worldwide.

[S15]

We must have been @#/? over the last 10 years then.

When somebody says that about someone who was a key member of arguably England's greatest domestic team of recent times, as well as someone who has gone on to play and be successful at two of Europe's biggest clubs, you know their opinion is absolutely worthless.

[T4E]

Whilst I don't like tattoos in any shape or form and don't understand why people want to undergo pain if they don't have to (and before you ask I don't have pierced ears for the same reason) it's not the tattoos I hold against Beckham. It's the fact that somehow he's managed to con people into thinking that possessing a talent for deadball situations equates to being one of the world's best footballers. He runs about a lot too, I'll give him that, but I just don't get the idolisation that he gets worldwide.

You can add crossing, shooting to his list of talents, as well as a range of passing bettered by no English player over the last 20 years or so, if not longer. Not to mention a level of fitness to rival anyones (in his 30s, rarely injured, been doing without a Summer break for nearly 3 years now). He's World class in every aspect above and more, but it is the will, desire and commitment of Beckham that makes him stand out in my mind as the most exceptional player of his generation. I'm no England fan, but the free kick Becks scored against Greece in 2002 is one of my favourite footballing moments, the culmination of his return to favour with the fans after 3 1/2 long years of criticism in light of the ridiculously over the top reaction to his sending off against the Argies at France '98.

As English football fans you should be proud to call him one of your own. It's tragic that he wont be going to his 4th World Cup this Summer.

[S15]

Whilst I don't like tattoos in any shape or form and don't understand why people want to undergo pain if they don't have to (and before you ask I don't have pierced ears for the same reason) it's not the tattoos I hold against Beckham. It's the fact that somehow he's managed to con people into thinking that possessing a talent for deadball situations equates to being one of the world's best footballers. He runs about a lot too, I'll give him that, but I just don't get the idolisation that he gets worldwide.

One of the biggest piles of @#/? I've ever read on this MB.

[gumboots]

One of the biggest piles of @#/? I've ever read on this MB.

it's all about opinions. You rate him highly. I'm not saying he's poor just that he's not the greatest English footballer I've watched or anywhere near it and the hype surrounding him, when at international level he's won nothing, baffles me. But then I don't think he's goodlooking either and there are plenty who do. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, just that I don't see things exactly the same way as others do.

[S15]

I'm not saying he's poor just that he's not the greatest English footballer I've watched or anywhere near it and the hype surrounding him, when at international level he's won nothing, baffles me.

By that theory Ronaldo, Messi, Rooney et all aren't up to much either.

[gumboots]

By that theory Ronaldo, Messi, Rooney et all aren't up to much either.

Twisting words. I didn't even say he's not up to much. I merely said that I don't get the worldwise response to him. There are other more talented players who don't get half the acclaim he gets. didn't I hear the other day that most Argentinians don't rate Messi despite the fact that we Europeans drool about him. I'm not going to get into a slanging match with you because that's what you like to do - wind others up until they fall into abusing you. I have an opinion of Beckham that you don't happen to share - that's all. I couldn't care less that you don't; it's an opinion. That's the whole point of opinions.

[Kelbo]

it's all about opinions. You rate him highly. I'm not saying he's poor just that he's not the greatest English footballer I've watched or anywhere near it and the hype surrounding him, when at international level he's won nothing, baffles me. But then I don't think he's goodlooking either and there are plenty who do. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, just that I don't see things exactly the same way as others do.

I was on holiday last year, there were two young lads, asking for a football shirt, not a club shirt, it had to be Beckhams new club shirt, he is marketable worldwide, AC Milan sold more Beckham shirts in the first week he signed than they sold for all the players over the whole season!!

The guy can still play, can pass, great delivery and a great attitude to the game,legend status in fact, whilst in many respects he has not been the greatest English plqayer of all time but he certainly is the most marketable globally and you would get at least a season out of him to boot, even at £100,000 per week, I would fully expect the club to at least treble that in profits on merchandise and the clubs profile will have been raised massively.

[gumboots]

I was on holiday last year, there were two young lads, asking for a football shirt, not a club shirt, it had to be Beckhams new club shirt, he is marketable worldwide, AC Milan sold more Beckham shirts in the first week he signed than they sold for all the players over the whole season!!

The guy can still play, can pass, great delivery and a great attitude to the game,legend status in fact, whilst in many respects he has not been the greatest English plqayer of all time but he certainly is the most marketable globally and you would get at least a season out of him to boot, even at £100,000 per week, I would fully expect the club to at least treble that in profits on merchandise and the clubs profile will have been raised massively.

all might be true. I'm not saying it isn't. It's the fact that this particular player has somehow managed to get that legend status that just baffles me. I can't see the appeal - that's all. Just as I don't get the fawning over Mourinho either. The cult of celebrity has completely passed me by. I wouldn't buy anything just because a celebrity endorsed it - in fact that would probably make me less likely to buy it. I know most others don't feel the same, and accept it. But it doesn't change the way I feel. People can tell me till they are blue in the face how wonderful the guy is, but he doesn't do it for me in any way, shape or form. Now can we close this discussion and get back on topic.

[broadsword]

No ... I just want to have the last word on it.

There you go, I've had teh last word, we can move on now :-)

[S15]

The reason Mourinho and Beckham are celebrities is because they are professionally EXTREMELY successful and both handsome.

Nothing to with 'the cult of celebrity.'

The flip side of that is you get people like yourself who go the other way and scorn anyone who is well publicised/adored, even though some of the time, the people involved have earned the reputation/praise.

[CrazyIvan]

The reason Mourinho and Beckham are celebrities is because they are professionally EXTREMELY successful and both handsome.

Nothing to with 'the cult of celebrity.'

The flip side of that is you get people like yourself who go the other way and scorn anyone who is well publicised/adored, even though some of the time, the people involved have earned the reputation/praise.

I don't think Gumboots has scorned Beckham in any way. I happen to think she's not far off wrong. Beckham IS a celebrity when other footballers aren't. Giggs isn't a celebrity like Beckham for example. The cult of celebrity, in this day and age, means idiots get to be famous because they happen to get in the way of a camera and then do their damndest to stay there. There are plenty of people famous for no other reason than they are well known. Beckham has some redeeming features though. He IS, imo, a very talented footballer. There are others better but not many as consistant as Beckham or with his longevity.

Anyway, back on topic. When are we going to be sold anyway?

[T4E]

...........and thus he has every right to be as revered as he is.

It's nothing to do with being goodlooking or marrying a Spice Girl - he's a great role model and an example of what hard work and dedication can achieve. Apparently he isn't all that talented - yet he's played for Manchester United, Real Madrid and AC Milan, and played for (and captained) his country in 3 World Cup finals. That says it all.

[S15]

I don't think Gumboots has scorned Beckham in any way.

Anyway, back on topic. When are we going to be sold anyway?

So suggesting "He's conned people into thinking he's a good player on the back of his dead ball abilities" isn't scorning such a good player?

[gumboots]

So suggesting "He's conned people into thinking he's a good player on the back of his dead ball abilities" isn't scorning such a good player?

If you're going to quote, do it accurately.