[Archived] Rovers Might Have Been Sold?

[thenodrog]

........... David Moores selling for £83m is probably nothing like the figure he could have sold for had he been truly seeking to maximise his family's worth.

I'd imagine that he'd get all he could Philip. However he should have stuck out for what he could get cos all he's attracted are profiteers. Funny how even the great and the good could not see what most people with a grain of common sense could see isn't it?

[philipl]

I'd imagine that he'd get all he could Philip. However he should have stuck out for what he could get cos all he's attracted are profiteers. Funny how even the great and the good could not see what most people with a grain of common sense could see isn't it?

Moores had the same rule as the Walker Trust in terms of the buyers not loading the club with the debt cost of their acquisition. Gillet and Hicks broke that rule two years later when nothing could be done about it. Had Moores allowed a Glazer-type deal would there really have been a difference as large as £700m for Man U and £83m for Liverpool- two deals done at roughly the same time?

These "Fair Play Rules" are anything but. They maintain the status quo. Such is life.

Probably exacerbate it- except for the fact the status quo would get kicked out under these new rules if nothing changes before 1 July 2012!

[Majiball]

It is my view that it is not the owners that need the slap on the wrist, but agents and players. It is these that are killing football clubs. Every single player should examine themselves with regards to the wages they demand.

Unless I am mistaken, Platini etc have not even addressed that area of the game - but he wouldn't as he was a player. But if that area was addressed less clubs would go to the wall.

Sorry PAFELL, I just cannot agree. When I lasted asked for a pay-rise I asked for more than I expected. They agreed. For me its not the players fault, its the clubs they could all just as easily say no. But they don't, the mess all clubs find themselves in now is really of their own making and whilst the players have paid a part, they are not the ones who sanctioned the wages.

If all the clubs ganged together and said we won't pay over X, then this wouldn't have happened.

Everyone has the right to try and get the best deal they can if they want, its the employer/wage payer that has the final say on the matter.

[PAFELL]

Sorry PAFELL, I just cannot agree. When I lasted asked for a pay-rise I asked for more than I expected. They agreed. For me its not the players fault, its the clubs they could all just as easily say no. But they don't, the mess all clubs find themselves in now is really of their own making and whilst the players have paid a part, they are not the ones who sanctioned the wages.

If all the clubs ganged together and said we won't pay over X, then this wouldn't have happened.

Everyone has the right to try and get the best deal they can if they want, its the employer/wage payer that has the final say on the matter.

Naturally every club needs players, nature of the game. But there was a day when somebody either offered or demanded £10000 (for example) a week to play football, which was agreed. Yes we all want a decent wage for a days work. But it is my opinion that it is nothing but sheer greed to even consider asking for £10000 a week to play football, let alone what players are on today. Both together hold the clubs over a barrel. We only have to look at MGP renewed contract for an example. He delayed signing, even though the club had made its offer, he still looked around for better.

Players today demand the wages or the agents on their behalf. I respect Mido's attitude last season when he said he would play for £1000 a week, put aside his ability or lack of ability as a footballer.

Today every single player, club and agent should demand that wages are brought down, before the game is killed off completely.

[Hughesy]

So basically clubs like Rovers etc have to simply be trading clubs, and cannot make a £5m loss for one season, yet big clubs who earn £60m+ a year through massive prices etc can spend more - and therefore helping to keep the BIG clubs at the top?!

Nonesense rules!! If they want to stop mega money being waster & clubs going bust - introduce a salary cap accross all europe. Nobody can earn more than say £70k a week & no club can spend more than £20m a season. Scrap private agents & only have official FA agents, and ensure that no 'bribes' or signing on fees can exceed a certain amount.

That would soon stop clubs like Madrid & City ruining the transfer markets.

[beerwins]

So basically clubs like Rovers etc have to simply be trading clubs, and cannot make a £5m loss for one season, yet big clubs who earn £60m+ a year through massive prices etc can spend more - and therefore helping to keep the BIG clubs at the top?!

Nonesense rules!! If they want to stop mega money being waster & clubs going bust - introduce a salary cap accross all europe. Nobody can earn more than say £70k a week & no club can spend more than £20m a season. Scrap private agents & only have official FA agents, and ensure that no 'bribes' or signing on fees can exceed a certain amount.

That would soon stop clubs like Madrid & City ruining the transfer markets.

I agree but it will never happen, wages, transfer fees and the pressure to be the no 1 league in the world is sending the prem into orbit and they only have one way to come after that.

Im not very business minded but im sure buying a prem football club at the moment is a total waste of time and money, the whole idea of buying a business is to make money and with the ever increasing running costs in the prem I dont see profit to be made anywhere.

[thenodrog]

That would soon stop clubs like Madrid & City ruining the transfer markets.

Like a parasite on an animal we must not kill off the City's and the Reals or we will suffer too. Football is very grateful for the 250m that the Arabs have pitched in to date, just as it was when the likes of Abromovich, Hall, Hayward, Pickering, Walker etc chucked huge wedges into the pot. The big problem is that transfer fees are now drying up and the money is by-passing the clubs and going straight to some Carlos Kickaball's HQ in Monaco.

[PAFELL]

Like a parasite on an animal we must not kill off the City's and the Reals or we will suffer too. Football is very grateful for the 250m that the Arabs have pitched in to date, just as it was when the likes of Abromovich, Hall, Hayward, Pickering, Walker etc chucked huge wedges into the pot. The big problem is that transfer fees are now drying up and the money is by-passing the clubs and going straight to some Carlos Kickaball's HQ in Monaco.

Totally agree, money is by passing the clubs and going to the players.

[Hughesy]

Salary cap & bonus cap payments to players & agents then....

[OscarRaven]

Salary cap & bonus cap payments to players & agents then....

Glad that's sorted then..

with or without expenses? Capped goal bonus? Relocation costs? Car allowance? Can housing be provided free of charge? What about the Man Utd handy man - its a perk? Free match tickets? so on and on....

[tashor]

Nobody can earn more than say £70k a week & no club can spend more than £20m a season.

How would this help Accrington Stanley exactly ?

[philipl]

David Conn in the Guardian unpicks the new rule from UEFA and is pretty impressed.

[Hughesy]

How would this help Accrington Stanley exactly ?

I was talking about the top clubs. Perhaps wage caps at different levels dependant on what level your at.

[bluebruce]

Great to see some financial prudency coming into play in football, although I'd have to analyse it at greater length to see if it would help clubs like ours.

But the main reservation I have at the moment is perhaps that it should be FIFA bringing in this role, not just UEFA. Or else we will start to see leagues in other countries (especially the Middle East) start attracting the cream of the crop. It may also cause clubs that really want to spend stupidly leave to another football federation?

[thenodrog]

It may also cause clubs that really want to spend stupidly leave to another football federation?

Can't see that unless the sponsorship and media money is greater elsewhere.

[bluebruce]

Can't see that unless the sponsorship and media money is greater elsewhere.

I didn't mean overnight though. Over time, you could see a player-exodus towards places like the Middle East for far better pay deals, and then the sponsorship and media money will head over there. If you don't think that is likely either because the general populace are poorer and less football-mad there, consider that better players over there means more interest in the game and that overseas TV rights have become a massive part of Premier League income. One of those things that is hard to be sure of, but it wouldn't surprise me.

At the very least I expect it to level the playing field somewhat.

[Bobby G]

I think there will be some movement on this front in the next week. Im not sure that is good for us or bad for us, as only time will tell.

[JAL]

I think there will be some movement on this front in the next week. Im not sure that is good for us or bad for us, as only time will tell.

So long as it isnt a foreign owner with lots of empty promises, Rovers next owner simply has to come from within, in that he or she is a regular supporter at Ewood Park.

[67splitscreen]

I think there will be some movement on this front in the next week. Im not sure that is good for us or bad for us, as only time will tell.

If your right they have certainly kept it very close to their chests, sounds like all the business was done in Dubai.

[Bobby G]

I dont think that will be happening JAL.

[John]

What have you heard Bobby?

[Bobby G]

I believe that there are two different groups of investors, branching out of the same "pot" so to speak that are interested in purchasing the club. They'll be taking things to the next level within days. That would mean a closer look at the club.

[Blue n White Rover]

I believe that there are two different groups of investors, branching out of the same "pot" so to speak that are interested in purchasing the club. They'll be taking things to the next level within days. That would mean a closer look at the club.

Should we be worried?

[doctorryan]

Yanks?

[Bobby G]

I dont know if we should be worried, but lets just say when I had been picturing a take-over I was expecting to feel happier than I do now. I dont think a take-over is done and dusted but I believe that there will be discussions in that regard soon.

Maybe Nicko can comment on this matter, and if he has been hearing similar things through the grapevine