[Archived] Election

[jim mk2]

As far as 89-92 is concerned it can be seen retrospectively as a short downward blip on a long upward graph and anybody who owned a property still saw a further growth in it's value within a year or two.

Not true. Property prices went sideways 1992 - 95 and did not start to rise strongly until 1997. So from 1989 - 1997 investing in property was dead money while stock markets continued to rise.

[jim mk2]

Labour to be largest single party after surge in support in latest Yougov poll.

http://www.newstates...bour-lib-tories

Thanks to this government's policies the winner of the election will inherit an economy showing a strong recovery with manufacturing and exports expanding at their fastest rate in 15 years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1272044/Manufacturing-hits-15-year-high-weak-pound-boosts-exports.html

[Cheeky Sidders]

I`m not being racist or trying to start a racist debate, but i get the impression that this Bushra woman will only be representing one part of the town`s population......if she managed to get in.

Unlike Robin Evans of the BNP... oh, hang on...

"This Bushra woman" has as much chance of getting elected as I have of winning Miss World. The daft cow has even been leafleting Mellor and that's not even in the Blackburn constituency. Jack Straw will win even if he spends all Wednesday and Thursday doing nothing to get votes. The Tory bloke who I have met several times is a complete dipshit and the Liberal fella looks bewildered most of the time and I can't escape the feeling that he looks like a smartened-up version of top Viz boozer, 8 Ace. The rest are just cannon fodder.

[berkshireblue]

Not for those who suffered negative equity and were forced to hand in the keys to their homes after the Tory inspired property slumps of the early 1970s and 1989 - 1992. The best investment trusts investing in international stock markets have beaten property over most periods you care to name.

Jim - the worst ever property slump was last year under your sweaty mate Gordon

You really take the biscuit for the biggest one eyed political view on brfcs

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Labour to be largest single party after surge in support in latest Yougov poll.

http://www.newstates...bour-lib-tories

Thanks to this government's policies the winner of the election will inherit an economy showing a strong recovery with manufacturing and exports expanding at their fastest rate in 15 years.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/article-1272044/Manufacturing-hits-15-year-high-weak-pound-boosts-exports.html

Rather wishful thinking there Jim.

99% of all the polls over the past 3 months indicate that Labour will be the second largest party- in fact some bookmakers have already paid out on bets laid on the Tories, being the single largest party come Friday.

The Yougov poll is an internet poll, which in itself, is unrepresentative of vast sectors of the populace. Nor does it take into account the 100 or so Labour "swing seats" which at the moment puts the parties neck and neck on 35%.

My bet is the Tories will gain 310-315 seats, 10 or so short of the 326 they require. This will then force the hand of Lib Dems, who will not back a Labour party to remain in power, who will most likely finish third in terms of percentage share of the vote.

[RibbleValleyRover]

[cletus]

Unlike Robin Evans of the BNP... oh, hang on...

"This Bushra woman" has as much chance of getting elected as I have of winning Miss World. The daft cow has even been leafleting Mellor and that's not even in the Blackburn constituency Jack Straw will win even if he spends all Wednesday and Thursday doing nothing to get votes. The Tory bloke who I have met several times is a complete dipshit and the Liberal fella looks bewildered most of the time and I can't escape the feeling that he looks like a smartened-up version of top Viz boozer, 8 Ace. The rest are just cannon fodder.

That`s class!

I`m not sure who`s bankrolled her election campaign but they`ve certainly thrown lots of dosh into it.

[1864roverite]

Jimbo

Like the old dinasaurs, Labours last night of governing this once proud nation is almost here and from midnight tomorrow they should be as extinct as the dodo.

The likes of Foot, Kinnock, Smith, Blair and Brown have now almost ruined us and its payback. 13 yrs of betrayal, lies, deceit, broken promises, high taxation, a lack of control on crime, immigration and jobs, lack of guile on unemployment, benefits and so on, the list is endless.

People will say we are almost sound economically, on paper it looks good but the reality is the Country is almost broke, we owe BILLIONS.

Gordon Brown will tomorrow join the ranks of the unemployed as will many of his idiotic numpty followers. To find themselves behind the Lib Dems is evidence of just how poor a performance they have produced. After all, the Lib Dems are hardly a force are they ?

I hope you wake up tomorrow and even more so on Thursday and thank you lucky stars for a brand new start.

we need it, the country needs it and by christ, the Tories are the only party that can give it.

VOTE TORY, FORGET ABOUT LABOUR FOREVER AND MOVE ON.

[BuckyRover]

I'm with you 1864.

I think total government debt is around £900bn. (Not including pension liabilities or any of the PFI hospitals/schools).

Scary

[LeChuck]

People will say we are almost sound economically, on paper it looks good but the reality is the Country is almost broke, we owe BILLIONS.

You must be privy to information that the credit rating agencies are not, then.

I don't think superficial scaremongering does anyone any good, even if it's put in capital letters.

[BiggusLaddus]

The bit in capitals isn't scare mongering, its a massive understatement.

Last estimate I saw for total government dept (inc public sector pensions and PFI liabilities) was £1.5 Trillion.

*edit to add* http://www.debtbombshell.com/

[broadsword]

You must be privy to information that the credit rating agencies are not, then.

I don't think superficial scaremongering does anyone any good, even if it's put in capital letters.

Did you think he was talking about households up and down the country?

The public debt is enormous, and Gordon Brown actually wants to borrow more money. Labour's approach to any problem is to throw money at it.

[BuckyRover]

This report details how much Labour have spent since 1997. It's not surprising our public services are "better". http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn92.pdf

In every budget since 2002 we have spent more than we have earnt. Where does it end?

[jim mk2]

VOTE TORY, FORGET ABOUT LABOUR FOREVER AND MOVE ON.

After the damage the Tories inflicted on the North from 1979 to 1997 I find it extraordinary that anyone in our area would consider voting Conservative. A vote for the Tories is a vote for the south, it is a vote for the rich, it is a vote for the greedy, it is a vote for privilege and it is a vote for selfishness. Perhaps you would like to explain why you identify with these people.

A quick trawl of the eve-of-election polls still show the Tories ahead but with each poll, if repeated in tomorrow's election, the Tories would be unable to form a majority government. There is still hope that Britain can still be saved from the Conservatives.

[Steve Moss]

A pretty good, humourous article from the American [press] perspective.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-05/10-truths-about-the-british-vote/

[thenodrog]

After the damage the Tories inflicted on the North from 1979 to 1997 I find it extraordinary that anyone in our area would consider voting Conservative.

I can think of a trillion reasons!...... plus interest!

Please rem Jim we don't all have one foot in the grave.

[1864roverite]

Jim

you are living in the past and are stuck in the timewarp of the 70's when Scargill was the perceived king of the unions and everyone worshipped all he said and stood for.

I have served Queen and Country since I was 16 and believe me, David Cameron is correct by stating we need a change.

Look at the national debt and tell me its worthwhile. Look at the state of the country and tell me Labour has worked. Look at the way our Armed Forces are fighting with poor equipment and look at how this Government supports its own.

The reality is Jim, Labour have failed from day 1. The promises of Tony Blair havent materialised. The promises of Brown have all been broken, the referendum, the vote on the Human Rights Act, crime, immigration, jobs, the youth of today, the elderly, the students and so on and so on.

Everything they promise break, reforms fail, reviews cost more and more and still they dont bring improvement. We find immigration doubling despite a UK Border Agency working flat out. We cant expel illegals because this idiotic group of MP's signed the HR act, just how sad is that ? The Government cannot even control its own Justice system, the courts defy them, Judges everrule them.

I could go on and on. Abject failure is what Labour is all about. How can you trust them ?

I dont think the Tories are going to come in and everything will change overnight. Its going to take time to repair the damage and indeed some of the damage is irrepairable.

people of your age are still being shafted Jim, your pensions are being taxed, your free bus pass taken away and soon your savings will disappear as the LABOURSCUM do anything they can to take it away from you.

So mate, if you want more failure carry your voting slip to the polling booth but think for 1 minute if you can about what it is you are voting for.

Vote labour and you vote to virtually consign this country to the doldrums. Vote Tory and this country might just be saved.

[jim mk2]

Answer the question.

[Ewood Spark]

No it doesn't. It just validates their reasoning and perception. To blindly support a poor government that has performed abysmally simply through 'political convictions' signifies either a sterile intellect or a flock mentality.

So tell me Theno ... is it 'sterile intellect' or a 'flock mentality' that is the reason for your annual purchase of a Blackburn Rovers season ticket? .... when by all accounts the Glasiers would welcome you with open arms for their ... so called ... superior product!

And remember we always have ... and will always continue to ... hold the moral high ground.

Labour is for life ... not just Christmas!

[broadsword]

And remember we always have ... and will always continue to ... hold the moral high ground.

You must be joking.

[SouthAussieRover]

Vote labour and you vote to virtually consign this country to the doldrums. Vote Tory and this country might just be saved.

Vote Tory and guarantee the country's complete failure.

[Ewood Spark]

You must be joking.

Ok I will put it in the form of a couple of simple soundbites :- Disagree (but give reasons and arguments)

The Labour party is a manifestation of the creed of 'socialism' where the good of society as a whole is (..should be) considered ...Progressive.

The Conservative party is a manifestation of the old feudal order ... power is retained by the wealthy land owners ... and everybody knows their place ... Stagnant.

Discuss.

[FourLaneBlue]

but...they aren't any more though are they, ES?

Where have you been for the last 16 years since Clause 4 was kicked into touch? Living in a cave?

Signed...former Labour voter. Doubt I could ever be led to vote Tory. Labour will not be getting my vote this time.

[pg]

Ok I will put it in the form of a couple of simple soundbites :- Disagree (but give reasons and arguments)

The Labour party is a manifestation of the creed of 'socialism' where the good of society as a whole is (..should be) considered ...Progressive.

The Conservative party is a manifestation of the old feudal order ... power is retained by the wealthy land owners ... and everybody knows their place ... Stagnant.

Discuss.

True, except that Labour forgot that you can't create a progressive and liberal society without a progressive and liberal financial system. They (like most 'leftish') governments around the world thought that neo-liberal (actually anti-classical) economic thinking would help usher in their brave new world.

IF ONLY Labour (and other governments like them) attempted to attack the power of the wealthy land owners with land taxes and taxation on property to prevent excessive speculation in housing. Instead, the bent over backwards to the finance and real-estate lobbies and increased taxation on the productive parts of the economy to retain revenue.

Now, the entire Western world is effectively finished as an economic power, mainly because all the 'wealth' over the past two decades was nothing more than an asset-priced bubble created out of property speculation. This is of course not new..it killed the Japanese economy in late 1980's .. and they will never recover.

The distinction between Labour and the Conservatives finished when 'the left' of the West adopted neo-liberal economics (which they had to do in order to become politically palatable in the first place). The distinction now should be whether or not you want to live in a classical economy (as originally thought of by Adam Smith whereby the economy supports productive members of society) or the return to a rentier-economy whereby the wealthy live of rents, interest, tolls etc. placed on the existing infrastructure and people.

[Paul]

Jim

I have served Queen and Country since I was 16 and believe me, David Cameron is correct by stating we need a change...........

the LABOURSCUM............

The tone of this post and many others make this abundantly clear. Lovely turn of phrase renderinr your arguement pretty much invalid.