[Archived] Election

[thenodrog]

Being Gloucestershire born and having lived there for a few years I take umbrage at your views.

It's the likes of you Berkshire and fellow Home Counties type who pumped your cash into areas away from London,inflating house prices beyond the reach of locals and turning parts of the countryside into holiday villages.

For that reason alone you can stick your right wing views up your wotsit.

It's only right wingers that do that is it? Investing in property is not exclusive to people with right wing views I can asure you, just as (somebody earlier mentioned) buying a villa in the sun isn't either.

But it did supply the Labour govt with stamp duty and capital gains tax of second homes. There'dbe little stamp duty and no CG tax revenue if the rules had been altered to assist a few local yokels by keeping prices down.

[MarkBRFC71]

Obviously their are differing reasons, illness or whatever - im just talking about the lazy, Jeremy Kyle watching lot - who dont want to work, no matter what . Not branding all those out of work as lazy - just mean those lazy ones that never have/ never WANT to work.

Im 26 & I know alot of people who went to my school, who still do not work! To me, that is pathetic - unless they have a valid excuse.

Spot on. I have to drive home past the pub, and if we have a nice spell of weather the same people are sat outside drinking every day and showing off their DHSS tans. Benefits should be paid in Asda tokens - not redeemable for alcohol or fags.

Unfortunately thanks to Labour living your life on benefits appears to be a viable and in some cases desirable career option ....

[TugaysMarlboro]

You do realise it's unpopular to have a heart and morals for the wider society and welfare of others on here

Can I still get away with being naive at the age of 22? If so i'll use that as my excuse.

But Thatcher ruined my family, and for that i'll never forgive her or them. My vote went to the party I wanted and he's a Rovers fan to boot so win win.

[thenodrog]

I'm 22 and it's my first time voting and i'll say one thing, and one thing only.

The day I vote Conservative, is the day my heart stops.

Now I find that post very very odd. I cannot get logic to apply at all. So what did you base those comments on? You'll hardly remember the Conservatives in power, and since you began secondary education you have seen Labour take the country to the verge of bankruptcy as well as screwing your future well being big time and even worse long term. You and your kids will be left having to pay it all back. :!:

Can I assume that either your Dad told you to post that or that you are intending to be one of the long term Sky dish, fag smoking, Stella swilling unemployed?

Edit.Sorry just read your last post..... as I thought it was down to your Dad.

Spot on. I have to drive home past the pub, and if we have a nice spell of weather the same people are sat outside drinking every day and showing off their DHSS tans. Benefits should be paid in Asda tokens - not redeemable for alcohol or fags.

Unfortunately thanks to Labour living your life on benefits appears to be a viable and in some cases desirable career option ....

In fairness Mark I can't rem the tories doing much to put a stop to all that either. In fact I'd wager that no govt has since the 50's.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Well I just voted steady stream of people coming in but no queuing. Pretty safe seat so I can’t see the current MP being changed.

[TugaysMarlboro]

Now I find that post very very odd. I cannot get logic to apply at all. So what did you base those comments on? You'll hardly remember the Conservatives in power, and since you began secondary education you have seen Labour take the country to the verge of bankruptcy as well as screwing your future well being big time and even worse long term. You and your kids will be left having to pay it all back. :!:

Can I assume that either your Dad told you to post that or that you are intending to be one of the long term Sky dish, fag smoking, Stella swilling unemployed?

In fairness Mark I can't rem the tories doing much to put a stop to all that either. In fact I'd wager that no govt has since the 50's.

Well Gordon, if I may call you that. Please bare in mind, i'm 22 and young so if I come across as daft then I apologise in advance.

You're right, I cannot remember the Conservatives in power, and i'm rather glad I can't. My personal future seems quite bright thank you but we're not here to exchange such conversation. I live in Oswaldtwistle, i'm from a working class background where my father is a self-employed joiner and my mother works at Tesco. All my other family members are factory workers of some kind or retired. Maybe I will be left to pay it all back Gordon, maybe I will, but it's a gamble i'm willing to take. Yes we were and as far as i'm concerned still are in a recession, but I wouldn't put my faith in anyone else but Labour to sort this issue out for the better of the vast majority of the British public. I seem to remember Ken Clarke claiming Labour handled the recession to a tee.

Now i've seen you wandering around here for quite a sometime and whilst I agree with you on football fronts, we'll have to agree to disagree on political policies. Now you can assume all you like about my reasonings for posting my comments. But the fact is you're wrong on both fronts.

As previously state i'm from a working class background, but i've made an attempt to do everything I can to get where I want. I don't wish to be a benefits claimer of any kind, i'm a University graduate and a Manager for a local Pharmaceutical firm, not bad for 22 eh? My dad? Doesn't care who I vote for, but he's like me, he'll never vote Conservative. As previously stated Thatcher ruined my family so please do excuse me for my very odd post.

[jim mk2]

Fine, but could someone let Jim know that the personal insults need to be cut out?

You can tell he's a party android because of his insistence of labelling me a Tory boy even though the last time I voted Tory was 18 years ago.

I wasn't aware that I had insulted you unless calling someone a Tory voter is an insult ?? I assumed you were Tory because you constantly criticise the government. I presume you are a Lib Dem man then.

[cletus]

Can't say i'm completely surprised by this.

BNP candidate punches Asian man on campaign trail

If the lad had spat on me i`d have done alot more than give him a good kicking. Well done Mr BNP candidate!!

[jim mk2]

I'm 22 and it's my first time voting and i'll say one thing, and one thing only.

The day I vote Conservative, is the day my heart stops.

Good lad. Anyone under the age of 30 who votes Tory has no soul or love of his fellow man.

[koi]

Interesting story Travylad and in some ways mirrors my own; I'm 32, degree educated, come from a working class family etc etc. My dad is a joiner, he left school at 15 with no qualifications and found himself an apprenticeship. He started his own business in 1970 and built it and by 1977 was employing 50+ joiners and carpenters. The Labour government ruined that. They taxed him and his business so heavily it wasn't worth working. His staff didn't want to do any O/T because the tax was so high. The power cuts affected his business, he had union issues to contend with and corruption was rife. He had enough by 1978 and wrapped it. He started again, just a small business and through hard work built another decent business. Hard times hit again in 2008 ( get a picture) and it took serious work to pull it round. I have my own business, I've employed quite a few and it's not easy and this government makes it harder and harder. I can only echo my dads words; you need to be very rich to afford a Labour government. I've never voted Labour and never will, they ruined my family in the late 70s but that's not reason why. I wont vote for Labour or a left of centre party because it simply does not work and we always end up paying for it in the end.

[jim mk2]

4 million people currently pay inheritance tax, lifting the threshold removes that tax for these people plus many more in the future. It actually means that for most people they'll keep what they inherit, that's a fair society. By the way, those above £1m will be no better off and non-doms will pay levy to cover the costs. By the way, I only know this because I actually read manifestos.

Most people caught in the inheritance tax "trap" live in the south where house price rises have been highest. None of those people have had to pay capital gains on their enormous increase in wealth for staring at the wallpaper so handing over a small proportion to the state on death on this unearned wealth seems reasonable to me. Inheritance tax is a voluntary tax anyway - it's very easy to avoid with estate planning.

[TugaysMarlboro]

Interesting story Travylad and in some ways mirrors my own; I'm 32, degree educated, come from a working class family etc etc. My dad is a joiner, he left school at 15 with no qualifications and found himself an apprenticeship. He started his own business in 1970 and built it and by 1977 was employing 50+ joiners and carpenters. The Labour government ruined that. They taxed him and his business so heavily it wasn't worth working. His staff didn't want to do any O/T because the tax was so high. The power cuts affected his business, he had union issues to contend with and corruption was rife. He had enough by 1978 and wrapped it. He started again, just a small business and through hard work built another decent business. Hard times hit again in 2008 ( get a picture) and it took serious work to pull it round. I have my own business, I've employed quite a few and it's not easy and this government makes it harder and harder. I can only echo my dads words; you need to be very rich to afford a Labour government. I've never voted Labour and never will, they ruined my family in the late 70s but that's not reason why. I wont vote for Labour or a left of centre party because it simply does not work and we always end up paying for it in the end.

Very interesting story Koi. Just goes to show that two quite similar stories at slightly different time periods can mean polar opposite political stances. At the end of the day i'd just like everyone to at least vote, some people don't know how lucky they are to be able to choose their governing power.

[thenodrog]

Good lad. Anyone under the age of 30 who votes Tory has no soul or love of his fellow man.

I tend to agree with that. I've also heard it said that anybody over 30 who votes Labour is braindead.

btw thanks for your well written and thought out response Travvylad. Odd that your father is in the building trade and anti tory though. In the 80's anhd 90's they boosted the building trade far more than any other govt did in my time.

[den]

All the chat above about inheritance tax seems to suggest that if we don't do as the Conservatives want and increase the threshold to £1m then millions of ordinary families will lose all they have saved up. The current threshold is £375K, after which you are taxed at 40%. Most people with an estate worth over £375K have a significant proportion in property, most of the value of which has been gained just by owning for a decent while. My house, by no means expensive, is worth roughly 6 times what we paid for it 25 years ago.

On top of that, anyone with a bit of nous can plan to move their wealth to their descendants (or anyone) and so avoid most inheritance tax anyway.

The Tories' proposals will only benefit a very small number of very rich people - is this really the message any fair government wants to give in a situation where we all know everyone will have to manage with both severe public spending cuts and higher taxes? And do you really expect that this group of rich people are all going to invest their tax windfalls in the UK economy rather than buying a nice villa somewhere warm?

The first one to actually reply to the point O2G, thank you.

No-one has said as yet how it can be justified, simply because it can't.

[thenodrog]

The first one to actually reply to the point O2G, thank you.

No-one has said as yet how it can be justified, simply because it can't.

You must have skipped a page or two then.

[TugaysMarlboro]

I tend to agree with that. I've also heard it said that anybody over 30 who votes Labour is braindead.

btw thanks for your well written and thought out response Travvylad. Odd that your father is in the building trade and anti tory though. In the 80's anhd 90's they boosted the building trade far more than any other govt did in my time.

Well good sir, i've sent you a PM explaining why that's the case.

[thenodrog]

I think I'm in the same boat as TravyLad when it comes to your footballing and political posts. This isn't the first time you've harped on about someone voting Labour because their Dads did.

Not just Labour... Tory and Lib etc too.

[koi]

Very interesting story Koi. Just goes to show that two quite similar stories at slightly different time periods can mean polar opposite political stances. At the end of the day i'd just like everyone to at least vote, some people don't know how lucky they are to be able to choose their governing power.

Indeed. There are other reasons why I don't think this government isn't working but they are largely personal experiences.

I must stress that there are areas of the Tories that I can't agree with. I've always identified with the left of the party, Ken Clarke in particular, but they won't go down that route under Cameron. But all things said the economy has been badly handled, society is in crisis and the future is bleak. As it stands we are reliant on borrowed money and lots of it. We have vastly bloated public services, a taxation system that strangles development and my biggest issue; the ingrained dislike of business and enterprise is still there and it holds this country back.

[jim mk2]

I tend to agree with that. I've also heard it said that anybody over 30 who votes Labour is braindead.

Anybody who continues to vote for their party is consistent in their beliefs and staying true to their values. You wouldn't understand. Braindead is just a stupid thing to say.

[broadsword]

I presume you are a Lib Dem man then.

Not quite. Voted for them once in a general election and a few times for by-elections and council elections. Other than that I have voted for minority parties.

I think it is a mistake to be loyal to any one party no matter what. You should stay loyal to your own values, and then evaluate at voting time which party most closely matches how you feel.

[TugaysMarlboro]

I'd like to revise my comment about Gordon's political views. After reading back to his first few posts on this thread he sums up how I feel and always have felt. Politicians only care about one thing, themselves.

[1864roverite]

orpington is just down the road from me!

il be voting bnp as a protest vote as i dont want any of them 3 in power there all cocks!

Thats really sensible aint it ? You claim the big three are cocks, what does that make the bnp?

Not much of a tactical vote more of an idiots view of politics

[berkshireblue]

Good lad. Anyone under the age of 30 who votes Tory has no soul or love of his fellow man.

Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[broadsword]

Just been and cast my vote.

Seems very ritualistic. There's a real air about the whole process. Feels a bit like the World Cup.

[koi]

You're an absolute hypocrite Jim. On another thread you were delighted at the prospect of the budget airlines collapsing if the ash cloud caused long term problems, obviously you're not bothered by the huge job losses that would follow. Love for the fellow man, bo@#ocks. You just want to drag us down, glad you're a relic these days.

My mate 'on the inside' is saying a small Tory majority.

OOOHHH Katherine Jenkins is on the telly