[Archived] Election

[jim mk2]

The other lot got 13 years and they never worked out how to either ...

And the previous lot got 18 years and were hopeless from start to finish. This could run and run ....

Moving on, according to sources Tory and Lib Dems stalwarts are threatening to "rip up their membership cards" if a coalition deal is agreed. To quote, Lib Dem supporters can't believe that "any progressive liberal would ever consider the idea of a coalition with such a prehistoric party as the Conservatives".

Breaking news: Lib Dems to hold formal talks with the government.

[berkshireblue]

Gordon Brown cannot leave / resign until there is a new government in place. That isn't wishful thinking it's how the system works. What do you imagine would happen if he resigned and we had no PM while the Conservatives and the Lib Dems tried to work out if they're going steady or just good friends?

Paul aware of that I meant announce his intention

As in Breaking news;

Gordon Brown has said he is stepping down as Labour Party leader.

Mr Brown, prime minister since 2007, said he wanted a successor to be in place by the time of the party's conference in September.

[Sandiway Blue]

Paul aware of that I meant announce his intention

As in Breaking news;

Gordon Brown has said he is stepping down as Labour Party leader.

Mr Brown, prime minister since 2007, said he wanted a successor to be in place by the time of the party's conference in September.

BYE BYE SUPER Sam Allardyce!

EDIT:guess which word i nicked off Waggy!

[RibbleValleyRover]

Breaking news: Lib Dems to hold formal talks with the government.

Clegg and the Lib Dem's are finished then. Propping up a government that has been rejected by the electorate with 2 million less votes and less seats. It just reinforces the Conservative message that you vote Clegg you get Brown, Brown won't be leaving until September the earliest.

This rainbow coalition won't last, they will have to pay off the nats and the English electorate (who contribute 90% of the GDP)will not like it. The markets won't like it, Lab have said they won't touch the deficit until next year, the IMF and the markets know it needs to start now.

Another election in the autumn by the looks of it, Lab and the Lib Dem's get hammered as the financial situation worsens and the Lib Dem's get slated for propping up Lab. The conservatives have the money to do another election this year, Lab and the Lib Dem's don't.

[koi]

And the previous lot got 18 years and were hopeless from start to finish. This could run and run ....

Moving on, according to sources Tory and Lib Dems stalwarts are threatening to "rip up their membership cards" if a coalition deal is agreed. To quote, Lib Dem supporters can't believe that "any progressive liberal would ever consider the idea of a coalition with such a prehistoric party as the Conservatives".

Breaking news: Lib Dems to hold formal talks with the government.

I told you it's highly doubtful there'll be a coalition between Lib Dims and the Tories.

[BuckyRover]

Clegg and the Lib Dem's are finished then. Propping up a government that has been rejected by the electorate with 2 million less votes and less seats. It just reinforces the Conservative message that you vote Clegg you get Brown, Brown won't be leaving until September the earliest.

This rainbow coalition won't last, they will have to pay off the nats and the English electorate (who contribute 90% of the GDP)will not like it. The markets won't like it, Lab have said they won't touch the deficit until next year, the IMF and the markets know it needs to start now.

Another election in the autumn by the looks of it, Lab and the Lib Dem's get hammered as the financial situation worsens and the Lib Dem's get slated for propping up Lab. The conservatives have the money to do another election this year, Lab and the Lib Dem's don't.

I just can't believe we have let this happen. The Tory case for keeping FTPT is getting stronger by the day.

Sterling to plummet tomorrow?

[Sandiway Blue]

I told you it's highly doubtful there'll be a coalition between Lib Dims and the Tories.

i think that was always going to be the case,the 2 parties were too far apart on policies..

[koi]

I can't believe I've just heard a Labour MP claim that GB saved the world from financial meltdown with a straight face.

[jim mk2]

Looks like Gordon's decision to step down is clearing the way for a Lib - Lab pact. Marvellous news if it could come about - the country could yet be saved from a Tory government. With more than 50 per cent of the vote at the elction a Lib - Lab govt would be perfectly legitimate. You have to congratulate Gordon on the timing of his bombshell but not for newspaper production rooms which will be in meltdown about now.

[cletus]

Just watched Alistair Campbell & a SKY news reporter almost come to blows live on SKY news!!

Campbell was churning his usual bucket of spin (on the Brown resignation news) & kept telling the news reporter "what you really mean is..."

The sky guy started losing his temper & went almost face to face with him, shouting "DON`T TELL ME WHAT I THINK!!! "

He was almost in a blind rage & they cut the interview short.

He should`ve head-butted the dingle t#at!!!!

[den]

I just can't believe we have let this happen. The Tory case for keeping FTPT is getting stronger by the day.

Fascinating stuff though Bucky, don't you agree? 15m Labour and Lib Dem votes, compared to 10m Tory votes. Democracy at it's best.

[koi]

Just watched Alistair Campbell & a SKY news reporter almost come to blows live on SKY news!!

Campbell was churning his usual bucket of spin (on the Brown resignation news) & kept telling the news reporter "what you really mean is..."

The sky guy started losing his temper & went almost face to face with him, shouting "DON`T TELL ME WHAT I THINK!!! "

He was almost in a blind rage & they cut the interview short.

He should`ve head-butted the dingle t#at!!!!

I watched that, very funny but I couldn't hold back if the dingle was in my face like that.

If Lib/Lab are on of the same (as people are claiming) why have the two parties?

[BuckyRover]

Fascinating stuff though Bucky, don't you agree? 15m Labour and Lib Dem votes, compared to 10m Tory votes. Democracy at it's best.

Indeed. I think next time they should simplify the ballot paper:

Tory

Not Tory

I think it will be hilarious if Lib/Lab get into bed with all the national parties. England will have to take all the pain, even though it mostly voted Conservative.

[thenodrog]

Breaking news: Lib Dems to hold formal talks with the government.

Twisting the tories arms on a number of issues I'd imagine. Better to be attached to the majority party than be associated with a party in decline.

Twisting Labours arms too. Using them to light a fire under Cameron and obviously no discussion whatsoever whilst Brown is in charge. A LibLab pact would be extremely rdangerous to the nation. They haven't enough seats to govern and so they'd have to extend the alliance to the likes of SDP, Plaid Cymru and the Ulster lot. Basically they'd have to submit to blackmail tactics (Plaid Cymru's price is already posted as £300m pa I understand) and they'd open us up to being rogered by every half arsed agenda'd minority in the land.

Those Liberals are heading for a fall I hope. Best way forward imo is a ConLab pact! Cameron in No10 with Brown in No 11. The 'best Chancellor in history' would then get the chance to repair the monumental damage that he has caused to the economy but under the watchful eye of Tory expertise. That way we could move forward properly and the world and the business world would be happy. Simples. What do you think Jimbo?

btw Isn't this like one of Jeffrey Archer's novels?

[den]

A LibLab pact would be extremely rdangerous to the nation. They haven't enough seats to govern and so they'd have to extend the alliance to the likes of SDP, Plaid Cymru and the Ulster lot. Basically they'd have to submit to blackmail tactics (Plaid Cymru's price is already posted as £300m pa I understand) and they'd open us up to being rogered by every half arsed agenda'd minority in the land.

Nah, they would go straight for electoral reform, via a referendum [which, according to recent polls is favoured by the majority of people in the country]. What's wrong with that?

[berkshireblue]

Looks like Gordon's decision to step down is clearing the way for a Lib - Lab pact. Marvellous news if it could come about - the country could yet be saved from a Tory government. With more than 50 per cent of the vote at the elction a Lib - Lab govt would be perfectly legitimate. You have to congratulate Gordon on the timing of his bombshell but not for newspaper production rooms which will be in meltdown about now.

The losers government would last a few months and alienate more of the population

Quote sums it up;

"This would be the second time we faced an unelected Labour prime minister,"

"The only way they could get a majority in the commons would be by lining up with all the Welsh, Irish and Scottish nationalist parties.

"The effect of that would be that the cuts which are necessary would not happen inScotland, Ireland or Wales. The English taxpayer ... would have to bear the cuts ...

"This is mind blowing. I don't know how anyone would have such a barefaced nerve as to put such a proposition in the circumstances ...

[jim mk2]

I thought Gordon handled his resignation speech with great dignity. It's a sad day but the the PM will go down in history as a world leader and statesman who changed Britain for the better. The timing of his departure is still tickling me - the Tories are in shock and floundering for a response.

[BuckyRover]

I heard somebody saying that Alex Salmond is pro Alliance because he wants to show the English what it is like to be governed by a party they didn't vote for (like Scotland in the 80/90s).

The next step; break up of the union?

I'm moving to Scotland!

[jim mk2]

TORY PANIC - making "final" offer to Lib Dems over voting reform. Lib Con pact is dead (hopefully)

[broadsword]

I would lay the blame on him. Who else you going to blame?

The UK's boom was because we were hanging onto the coat tails of a global boom.

As for how he'll go down in history, it depends who writes it. You probably wouldn't want to know how I'd write his politicl obituary.

[RibbleValleyRover]

The GLOBAL recession? Sorry but there are a whole multitude of countries to blame - I don't think anyone in his position would have made the call to reform the way banks operate to prevent what happened. Of course, that doesn't make it right, but it doesn't mean he should be chastised for it.

Jim, to be fair it's a good offer from the Tories really. The only question now is who do the Lib Dems agree with on economic policy - and do any other policies matter at this moment in time?

Come off it, this is the man who spent all the proceeds from a booming economy that he inherited and then used the strong economic situation to borrow more. If he had saved money for a rainy day when the economy was booming, then he wouldn't have had to borrow large amounts of money to go on a Keynesian spending spree to stimulate growth.

If Labour get in again they won't touch this deficit and debt for another year at least, the IMF and the markets won't allow that. There needs to be a start to spending cuts and tax rises now, not in a years time.

[broadsword]

You can't blame Brown for what happened in America, but we would've been better insulated from it if the banks had been properly regulated.

Brown has admitted as much himself. Asking the banks how they thought they'd like to be regulated was a bit of a dumb move, and you don't really need hindsight to see that.

[thenodrog]

Fascinating stuff though Bucky, don't you agree? 15m Labour and Lib Dem votes, compared to 10m Tory votes. Democracy at it's best.

The Politics of fear and desperation at it's worst.. The pound dropped a full cent against the dollar within moments of Browns announcement!

[Alex Rover]

I thought Gordon handled his resignation speech with great dignity. It's a sad day but the the PM will go down in history as a world leader and statesman who changed Britain for the better.

Come back with whatever you feel like but he won't go down in history with that epitaph. Unlike Thatcher of course.....

[thenodrog]

Nah, they would go straight for electoral reform, via a referendum [which, according to recent polls is favoured by the majority of people in the country]. What's wrong with that?

Dunno Den .... it's been fine and dandy for centuries just the way it is. What if they got a spanking at the polls again in the autumn? Change the rules once more? move the goalposts again? or go straight to another October revolution?

It must be becoming farcical when Dianne Abbott and Lembitt Opik have just come out on telly with what I said earlier re: a coalition of losers. They seem to be siding with the Tories.

edit... Now is John Reid is damning the move. He thinks it is very wrong and in direct opposition to the wishes of the electorate.

Best move forward for the Tory party is to call their bluff, blank Clegg and his cronies and let em get on with their mischief. Many of the stoutest Labour politicians are registering disbelief and coming out in direct opposition.