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But how will it get paid back? How can you give what you have not got? Don't we learn?

It won't.

If you give a fiver to the Pakistan flood appeal you give a fiver and you forget about it. It's an act of charity not an investment.It's just a very simple gesture of helping your fellow human beings.

I spent £4.60 on a couple of pints before the Everton game. Now how stupid was that when I could have donated it to help people who have lost everything.

You and and I have got homes to go to tonight.

The people in Pakistan have no homes, no jobs, no roads, houses. Nothing that makes life worth living.

Have a little humanity in your soul.

Cheers

Colin

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Number of issues affecting the very low level of donations to the flood appeal. Put them in any order that you want.

1. Economic recession.

2. Flood is not as dramatic as the earthquakes and Tsunami images.

3. The rattling of collection tins in Pakistan for western causes e.g. 9/11, Lockerbie, 7/7 has never been heard very loudly has it?

4. Constant terrorism threats associated with and originating from Northern Pakistan including the intelligence reports that that is where Bin Laden is being sheltered.

5. Inhumane Taliban execution of 10 aid workers in neighbouring Afghanistan a short time ago.

6. A very strong suspicion amongst most people that monies donated will get nowhere near to the victims.

7. Overall PR aint good either. Like it or not the dramatic spread of Burkha's, mosques and calls for sharia law etc across this country, the continent and the world does not endear people from that part of the world to indigenous peoples across the globe. Everyone knows it's an attempt to thumb their noses to the west. Might be unpalatable to some but it is a tangible and valid reason.

Until the Race Relations Acts can actually prosecute someone for ignoring a collecting tin in the local take away then thats the way it is. Yet again the innocent suffer for the actions of others.

It is Abbeys money. He will have many committments and priorities and he really can choose to do what he wants with it. Indirectly of course he and his father and grandfather and even his father has already sent much hard earned money to that area as well as annual development aid etc for decades through the government.

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Only you could turn a discussion about a human disaster into a general anti-Asian / Islamic / Pakistan rant.

No idea, no soul and no hope. You really are a waste of space.

You are unable to deal with honesty Jim. You are not an honest person yourself so you simply cannot understand honest comment can you.

Anyway constructive posts every so often might stand you in better stead. SO... Why do you think the collecting tins are filling so slowly? I hope that your normal sticking your head in the sand / running and hiding / hurling insult is not an option. Lets hear your opinion on why this disaster is attracting such little interest and such little funding around the world. I've had my say so instead or responding with insults lets hear yours.

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3. The rattling of collection tins in Pakistan for western causes e.g. 9/11, Lockerbie, 7/7 has never been heard very loudly has it?

Yeah, those stingy Haitian bar stewards never gave to those causes either did they? What a ridiculous argument.

For once, I agree with theno that those other factors are affecting donations. However it's a shame that the actions of a few should affect the thoughts of people who would otherwise help those desperately in need.

I would never criticise someone for not donating to this appeal. I've hardly set up a direct debit myself, I've just dropped a few coins on two separate occasions when I've seen collection tins around Leeds and in the hospital I work. Sometimes when I see a tin I donate, sometimes I don't, depending on how I feel that day, how much loose change I have on me etc. Just like most people.

However someone who proudly states "I never give money to charity" as a blanket mindset is a terribly selfish one, and even if you don't, to proudly proclaim it in such a brazen way is something to be ashamed of.

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For once, I agree with theno that those other factors are affecting donations. However it's a shame that the actions of a few should affect the thoughts of people who would otherwise help those desperately in need.

A few TGM? :huh: More than just 'a few' worldwide surely?

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You simply cannot understand honest comment can you.

No one is fooled by your racist bile dressed up as "honesty" . For what it's worth (and I doubt you're interested anyway because it does not suit your anti-Asian agenda), I am involved in a charity organisation that has helped to raise thousands of pounds for the Pakistan flood appeal and has always met willing and generous donors eager to help the relief of suffering and human misery in that country. This money will help to bring real, practical benefits to the hundreds of thousands of people who have lost their homes in the disaster and provide some sort of food and shelter until they can rebuild their lives. Many of these donors are successful business people who are happy to help their fellow man - a concept you apparently you find hard to understand - and while charity work is hard, unpaid work it is also extremely rewarding. You should try it - it might make you appear more of a human being.

Returning to topic, rumours (denied by the Lib Dems of course) are circulating today that former LibDems leader Charles Kennedy and other LibDems MP have been holding talks with a view to switching to Labour, reflecting the general feeling of revulsion within the party of the right-wing Tory agenda of the coalition government. With polls showing less support for the electoral reform to which the Lib Dems have pinned their hopes, one way or the other this coalition government looks doomed.

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Returning to topic, rumours (denied by the Lib Dems of course) are circulating today that former LibDems leader Charles Kennedy and other LibDems MP have been holding talks with a view to switching to Labour, reflecting the general feeling of revulsion within the party of the right-wing Tory agenda of the coalition government. With polls showing less support for the electoral reform to which the Lib Dems have pinned their hopes, one way or the other this coalition government looks doomed.

Dont doubt what you say here jim mk2. So the question is, if they cant do it, and your lot certainly couldnt do it, who can ?

Where do we go from here?

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Returning to topic, rumours (denied by the Lib Dems of course) are circulating today that former LibDems leader Charles Kennedy and other LibDems MP have been holding talks with a view to switching to Labour, reflecting the general feeling of revulsion within the party of the right-wing Tory agenda of the coalition government. With polls showing less support for the electoral reform to which the Lib Dems have pinned their hopes, one way or the other this coalition government looks doomed.

From a lefty point of view (I am centre left and voted Lib Dem) not sure this is so brilliant. It will be quite easy for the Tories to make a strong argument that they gave the Lib Dems a good deal in the circumstances, stronger than the LD proportion of votes justified. So the LDs walking away shows up the weakness of that party, and makes the Tories victims of Machiavellian politics.

I imagine the average British voter will sympathise with that and back the tories if they go to the polls again in the next few months. It is certainly in Labour's interest for the coalition to stand for a while, so Lab can get a new leader in and find a good line of argument to take the Tories to task. As it stands there is not enough water under the bridge of the coalition to form a good basis for a Labour assault.

It could well all end with a Tory absolute majority and no sign of electoral reform in the future.

The Con-Lib alliance is full of contradictions and a difficult situation, but these have not produced a story which Labour can use effectively in a re-election yet in my opinion. Could be wrong, just the way I see it.

ps. If the idea was for a Labour-LD alliance to assume power in Westminister without an election that would be an absolute disaster in my opinion for both LD and Lab who would be painted as anti-democrats freezing out the largest party. And I suppose we would be in the strange area of the queen having to decide whether to stand that sort of switch or dissolve parliament to go to the polls which raises difficult constitutional issues.

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. As it stands there is not enough water under the bridge of the coalition to form a good basis for a Labour assault..

Disgaree there joey because Cameron has made so many gaffes since May through speaking without thinking - the 1940 debacle, the Pakistan-India diplomatic row, upsetting France and Germany, the Iran nuclear comments and belittling Britain on his visit to Washington. Gove has also been exposed as an incompetant and ideological education secretary and there is also the small matter of the Tories and LibDems backtracking on the VAT rise, hitting the poor hardest, and the impending cuts this autumn that will lead to more unemployment and risk tipping the economy back into recession. Plenty there for Labour to get stuck into which they no doubt will once the new leader is elected.

Would agree with you that the collapse of the coalition risks a Tory govt being elected with an outright majority, an outcome that is not in the interests of the weakest and most vulnerable, the north of England in general and all those who want to live in a fairer and more equal Britain.

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From a lefty point of view (I am centre left and voted Lib Dem) not sure this is so brilliant. It will be quite easy for the Tories to make a strong argument that they gave the Lib Dems a good deal in the circumstances, stronger than the LD proportion of votes justified. So the LDs walking away shows up the weakness of that party, and makes the Tories victims of Machiavellian politics.

I imagine the average British voter will sympathise with that and back the tories if they go to the polls again in the next few months. It is certainly in Labour's interest for the coalition to stand for a while, so Lab can get a new leader in and find a good line of argument to take the Tories to task. As it stands there is not enough water under the bridge of the coalition to form a good basis for a Labour assault.

It could well all end with a Tory absolute majority and no sign of electoral reform in the future.

The Con-Lib alliance is full of contradictions and a difficult situation, but these have not produced a story which Labour can use effectively in a re-election yet in my opinion. Could be wrong, just the way I see it.

ps. If the idea was for a Labour-LD alliance to assume power in Westminister without an election that would be an absolute disaster in my opinion for both LD and Lab who would be painted as anti-democrats freezing out the largest party. And I suppose we would be in the strange area of the queen having to decide whether to stand that sort of switch or dissolve parliament to go to the polls which raises difficult constitutional issues.

Some good points jbn. A breakdown in our democracy might be on the cards and just what we need. 4 centuries on and some of the things we've seen these past few years make me think it's past it's sell by date. Democracy is OK for humans but not good for the rest of the planet. Trouble is what would we replace it with? My personal preference might be a military dictatorship, but obviously I've never had to live under one. Power does corrupt.

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Some good points jbn. A breakdown in our democracy might be on the cards and just what we need. 4 centuries on and some of the things we've seen these past few years make me think it's past it's sell by date. Democracy is OK for humans but not good for the rest of the planet. Trouble is what would we replace it with? My personal preference might be a military dictatorship, but obviously I've never had to live under one. Power does corrupt.

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