[Archived] Election

[ABBEY]

well looks like the wife's job is going after christmas thanks to tory cuts (with a N in the middle).

[Nate]

Red Ed handed a spanking by Cameron in PMQ. The "Son of Brown" line was a classic.

[JAL]

Totally embarrassed by the prime minister Cameron when he said 'i'm going to give to the world cup 2018 bid 110% effort'

WTF! now this is worrying. 110% from a guy running the country, no wonder we are going to be paying thousands of pounds in the near future just to do basic maths.

[jim mk2]

It's the Cameron effect. Everything he touches turns to dust.

Tony Blair delivered the 2012 Olympics. Enough said.

[chaddyrovers]

Red Ed handed a spanking by Cameron in PMQ. The "Son of Brown" line was a classic.

It was a good line from Cameron. Red Ed is more like Dead Ed. Labour have no plan for the debt or for anything. He says he starting with a blank piece of paper, so how can you attack a plan without a plan yourself.

Dead Ed is trying to copy Buzz Lightyear now with Beyond New Labour. :lol:

[thenodrog]

Tony Blair delivered the 2012 Olympics. Enough said.

I seem to rem that you have serious objections about money levied from the disadvantaged North being funnelled down to the affluent South East? How will Tony's sterling efforts benefit the citizens of Blackburn?

[Rover Down Under]

Absolutely true.

The comments may have some merit, but they're all variations on a theme repeated ad nauseum. It's a turn-off for sure.

And to be quite honest, to keep this continuous comment going is a bit sad.

Fudge to Jim, if we want to discuss topics without his anti-Tory bile and blind support for the true party of envy, nastiness and vindictiveness then put him on ignore and discuss away...

What I have never been able to comprehend is that you need a licence to drive a car and own a dog, amongst many other things, yet anyone can have a child. This notion that having a child is a right is just plain wrong. It is a responsibility.

This applies no matter who you are, income, race, creed, colour or age.

I think if you are a single parent you should not be allowed to have more than one child, multiple divorcees not allowed to have any (more) until they provide a stable environment, anyone who indicated they would continue to smoke or drink through pregnancy, drug addicts and anyone with prior convictions for crimes against children (abuse, neglect etc.) should not be allowed to have any children. Any benefits should be paid using a voucher system and there should be a means tested cap for the number of children you can have that would take into account years worked, skill and whether there would be a stay-at-home parent. There should also be a universal maximum cap of four children.

There are far too many kids I see nowadays who just never stood a chance from day -270. Some retarded loony leftie (cue Jim) will scream about the right to be parents but the child should be given every chance to be brought up by responsible parents. Further, with it becoming increasingly obvious the Earth cannot sustain the continued population growth we will come to a tipping point sooner or later, without some sensible planning worldwide it will be a very bloody tipping point.

[thenodrog]

Fudge to Jim, if we want to discuss topics without his anti-Tory bile and blind support for the true party of envy, nastiness and vindictiveness then put him on ignore and discuss away...

What I have never been able to comprehend is that you need a licence to drive a car and own a dog, amongst many other things, yet anyone can have a child. This notion that having a child is a right is just plain wrong. It is a responsibility.

This applies no matter who you are, income, race, creed, colour or age.

I think if you are a single parent you should not be allowed to have more than one child, multiple divorcees not allowed to have any (more) until they provide a stable environment, anyone who indicated they would continue to smoke or drink through pregnancy, drug addicts and anyone with prior convictions for crimes against children (abuse, neglect etc.) should not be allowed to have any children. Any benefits should be paid using a voucher system and there should be a means tested cap for the number of children you can have that would take into account years worked, skill and whether there would be a stay-at-home parent. There should also be a universal maximum cap of four children.

There are far too many kids I see nowadays who just never stood a chance from day -270. Some retarded loony leftie (cue Jim) will scream about the right to be parents but the child should be given every chance to be brought up by responsible parents. Further, with it becoming increasingly obvious the Earth cannot sustain the continued population growth we will come to a tipping point sooner or later, without some sensible planning worldwide it will be a very bloody tipping point.

"shouldn't be allowed" is a strong term. Shouldn't be subsidised will do for a start RDU. 'Forbidden' will come in due course.

btw The realignment of the worlds population will be starvation driven. The earths population might have to reduce to 25% of hwre it is today. 'Bloody' will be a by-product as we descend into lawlessness.

[Paul]

Just listened to Danny Alexander on BBC 1. One can only reach the conclusion he and his cabinet colleagues are a bunch of mealy-mouthed liars. WTF is this Scottish MP doing in a position of power voting to increase fees for English students.

This may well be the turning point that finishes the LibDems for a generation. These people are a disgrace.

[jim mk2]

Danny Alexander is a nasty piece of work who claims to have Lib Dem values but acts and sounds like a rabid Thatcherite Tory. Harriet Harman called him a "ginger rodent" which reflects the general view of Alexander around Westminster. Clegg is enjoying his brief five minutes of fame and power but will go down as the man who broke the Liberal Democrat party over tuition fees. Meanwhile their coalition partners the Tories stay quietly in the background happy for their Lib Dems stooges to take the flak while they inflict their ideological right-wing agenda on a suffering nation. Those Lib Dems with a conscience and who genuinely care about their party should be calling for the break-up of this discredited and disunited coaltion government.

[thenodrog]

Hypocricy amongst politicians is nothing new however something needs to be done to filter the massive waste of money and resources that is further education today. My son had a party recently and invited many of his friends from university. When I asked them what courses they were doing at uni......

1. Most were not doing anything that I have ever heard of.

2. I had to actually ask most what their subjects entailed. Just 2 were doing subjects that needed no explanantions and one of those had just completed a 3 year Law degree, gained a 2:1 but had absolutely no intention of going on to practice law and is currently working as a restaurant waitress.

3. None knew what they were going to do when they left uni.

4. Nearly all agreed that their courses could quite easily have been condensed to half or a third of the 3 years (as well as 1-2 years of expenses and student loans saved).

This pointless further education culture is imo a load too expensive for the country to bear. It's been foisted upon the nation by foolhardy education policies and dumbing down of educational standards by successive governments designed simply to massage employment figures imo.

That the entire situation is without doubt a scandalous waste of resource is not open to debate al all. All that is debateable is which govt has been most culpable in encouraging the monster to grow and thrive and more importantly wtf we as a nation are going to do about it.

[thenodrog]

This sums up the subject of this thread ...........

"The Haircut

One day a florist went to a barber for a haircut. After the cut, he asked

about his bill, and the barber replied, 'I cannot accept money from you,

I'm doing community service this week.'

The florist was pleased and left theshop.

When the barber went to open his shop the next morning, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen roses waiting for him at his door.

Later, a cop comes in for a haircut, and when he tries to pay his bill, the

barber again replied, 'I cannot accept money from you , I'm doing community

service this week.'

The cop was happy and left the shop. The next morning

when the barber went to open up, there was a 'thank you' card and a dozen

donuts waiting for him at his door.

Then a Politician came in for a haircut, and when he went to pay his bill,

the barber again replied, 'I can not accept money from you. I'm doing

community service this week.'

The Politician was very happy and left theshop.

The next morning, when the barber went to open up, there were a dozen

Politicians lined up waiting for a free haircut.

And that, my friends, illustrates the fundamental difference between the

citizens of our country and politicians. BOTH POLITICIANS AND NAPPIES NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON"

[LeChuck]

This may well be the turning point that finishes the LibDems for a generation. These people are a disgrace.

I voted for them this election and I'll never do so again.

[BuckyRover]

I'm glad you did. If Brown was still in charge the chickens really would be coming home to roost.

[koi]

I'm guessing Jim in his last post is babbling on about the Tories being nasty, evil etc etc (I have him on ignore so don't have to suffer his trolling) but which party promised not to introduce tuition fees in the first place but then did? which party promised not to introduce top-up fees but then did? which party promised to implement the recommendations of the Brown enquiry - something that would leave students far worse off? the hypocrisy is immense. It is one almighty f up by the Lib Dems though - Cleggy must be cursing the day he held that pledge grinning away for the paps. I wasn't daft enough to vote for them in the first place but if I had I'd be fuming.

I did go to Uni, and as it was before Blair charged for the privilege it cost very little indeed. If I knew I'd be paying back a large debt I really don't know if I'd have gone, probably not which is quite ironic because if I knew then what I know now I really wouldn't have wasted three years in order to get a certificate proving I can pass exams to a 2:1 level.

[JAL]

Hypocricy amongst politicians is nothing new however something needs to be done to filter the massive waste of money and resources that is further education today. My son had a party recently and invited many of his friends from university. When I asked them what courses they were doing at uni......

1. Most were not doing anything that I have ever heard of.

2. I had to actually ask most what their subjects entailed. Just 2 were doing subjects that needed no explanantions and one of those had just completed a 3 year Law degree, gained a 2:1 but had absolutely no intention of going on to practice law and is currently working as a restaurant waitress.

3. None knew what they were going to do when they left uni.

4. Nearly all agreed that their courses could quite easily have been condensed to half or a third of the 3 years (as well as 1-2 years of expenses and student loans saved).

This pointless further education culture is imo a load too expensive for the country to bear. It's been foisted upon the nation by foolhardy education policies and dumbing down of educational standards by successive governments designed simply to massage employment figures imo.

That the entire situation is without doubt a scandalous waste of resource is not open to debate al all. All that is debateable is which govt has been most culpable in encouraging the monster to grow and thrive and more importantly wtf we as a nation are going to do about it.

Do you not feel that a politician once in Westminster, is controlled by an even more powerful force that in affect only allows things to happen, that 'IT' deems something acceptable to implement, as we, the voter, goes to the ballot box to play 'their game' whoever they are, in the belief that we live in a democracy and that our vote really counts. When the reality is, it couldnt be further from the truth.

[LeChuck]

I'm glad you did. If Brown was still in charge the chickens really would be coming home to roost.

I can't argue with that. One of the main reasons I voted Lib Dem was their policy of scrapping tuition fees altogether. No idea how I'll vote next time, if I do at all.

[thenodrog]

I can't argue with that. One of the main reasons I voted Lib Dem was their policy of scrapping tuition fees altogether. No idea how I'll vote next time, if I do at all.

Rum do this Le Chuck. Traditionally voting Lib Dem as you did has been a totally wasted vote as only very occasionally and only in a very limited way did they have the slightest influence in governing the country.... This time however they have ended up with considerable influence in the affairs of government yet now you complain because you don't like what they are doing.

[JAL]

Somewhere between £45b and £100 billion in uncollected tax per year, most possibly going into off shore accounts, and the government, successive governments at that, say, we don't have enough money to pay for further education.

What is the agenda here ? is it to maintain the overly high salaries to those people with a university degree.

[LeChuck]

Rum do this Le Chuck. Traditionally voting Lib Dem as you did has been a totally wasted vote as only very occasionally and only in a very limited way did they have the slightest influence in governing the country.... This time however they have ended up with considerable influence in the affairs of government yet now you complain because you don't like what they are doing.

How was I (and every other Lib Dem voter) meant to know that they would do a complete uturn on that policy?

By the way...I don't agree that a vote for anyone other than Conservatives/Labour is a 'wasted vote'. I know where you are coming from, but I don't agree. I'm surprised too, I had you down as a potential small party (UKIP?) voter.

Having said that, I strongly favour the proportional representation to give those votes more power.

[jim mk2]

One of the main reasons I voted Lib Dem was their policy of scrapping tuition fees altogether. No idea how I'll vote next time.

Polls show Lib Dem party members and voters horrified first by the coalition with the Tories - their natural enemies - and the subsequent capitulation once in power to the Tory agenda will be leaving the party and defecting to Labour while most of those swing voters who voted Lib Dem at the last election will be returning to Labour. This will be Clegg's legacy to his party.

[thenodrog]

Polls show Lib Dem party members and voters horrified first by the coalition with the Tories - their natural enemies - and the subsequent capitulation once in power to the Tory agenda will be leaving the party and defecting to Labour while most of those swing voters who voted Lib Dem at the last election will be returning to Labour. This will be Clegg's legacy to his party.

Dream on. Had you been eating cheese before you nodded off? Labour have shot themselves in the foot electing that Ed Milliband to leader. He really is a lightweight and fast becoming a political joke. He doesn't have the presence, wit, personality or gonads to attract already reluctant followers. Few will line up behind him. In fact I'd wager Lab will have to get rid of him before they have any chance in an election. Be honest for once... can you ever see him entering No10?

[jim mk2]

Thank you Alf Garnett.

Cameron was dismissed as a lightweight in opposition when Blair and Brown regularly took him to pieces in the Commons yet somehow has been elected PM. The problem for Cameron is in his short period in office he is still a lightweight with the added bonus for Labour that (mixed metaphor warning) he regularly shoots himself in the foot with his motormouth remarks. Labour are riding high in the polls above the Tories making a nonsense of your remarks about Ed Miliband.

Next.

[thenodrog]

Thank you Alf Garnett.

Cameron was dismissed as a lightweight in opposition when Blair and Brown regularly took him to pieces in the Commons yet somehow has been elected PM. The problem for Cameron is in his short period in office he is still a lightweight with the added bonus for Labour that (mixed metaphor warning) he regularly shoots himself in the foot with his motormouth remarks. Labour are riding high in the polls above the Tories making a nonsense of your remarks about Ed Miliband.

Next.

Riding high ABOVE the Tories? Really?

http://today.yougov.co.uk/politics/govt-trackers-update-8th-dec

Next.....

[jim mk2]

Other polling companies using broad based measures have Labour in front; you have quoted the daily poll which fluctuates wildly. Well done.

It's a measure of how far the Lib Dems have fallen that yet another poll shows them on 9 per cent, their lowest ever, showing how the Cable and Clegg are taking all the flak and the Tories are getting away with it on tuition fees even though their policies are driving it.

Many people of all political views will be delighted when Clegg is kicked out by his own party. As a Labour supporter I thought there could never be a greater hate figure than Thatcher around the country but the duplicitious Clegg is trying his best. Shame really when people ought to turning the ire on Cameron and his dogma-driven government. .

Interesting also that the media are turning on the Tories with headlines in the right-wing press lambasting the ConDem's plans on crime and prisons. Another pledge broken to add to the ever expanding list.