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Can someone explain why a team like Stoke are being linked with £10m+ moves for players, whilst we're always counting the pennies? We're an established PL club for crying out loud, and Stoke's average attendance is only slightly higher than ours. Are they spending beyond their means or am I missing something? Or perhaps they have a sensible wage structure in place so they can afford new players?

This could be the reason Topman.

Peter Coates is a businessman from Goldenhill, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire who made his money in gambling (bet365). He is currently the owner of Stoke City Football Club and has been listed as the 25th richest person in British football[1].

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I usually read this message board without posting. I read a lot of intelligent and well informed opinion and some drivel. One thing that characterises most posts, however, is the passion with which the views are expressed.

It is with this in mind that I feel moved to post my own thoughts about the current transfer debacle. I fully understand the financial arguments and I accept that Rovers has to maintain financial prudence if not to risk following other, more profligate, clubs down the path to financial ruin. And I accept that things are complicated by the apparent stand-off regarding the prospective take over.

Nevertheless, I am amazed at the lack of foresight and the surprising level of apparent inertia that is being displayed by the current owners and the board - and by the prospective new owners, to the extent that one assumes that they are serious in their desire to acquire the club and see it remain in the top flight of English football.

Surely Blackburn Rovers has to take some calculated risks in order to maximise its chances of staying in the Premier League and that means making a modest investment, but an investment nevertheless, in at least one striker and one creative midfield player, and before the sale of the last remnants of cast-offs, crocks and mercenaries as the transfer window closes in 5 weeks or so.

The consequence of not doing so is to greatly increase the chances of a season long relegation battle and likely financial (and operational) oblivion, if our worst relegation fears are realised. And then the club will have little or no realisable value to the Trust or to its new owners.

I can only hope that the supposed £2.5m budget for transfers is an arbitrary figure used for PR purposes and that in truth enough will be available to meet the need. This may be little more than double this amount, who knows, but extreme fiscal prudence will be a hollow victory for the balance sheet if the 2010/11 season starts with Rovers having just two strikers, an injury prone and goal shy midfield and a manager that is clearly at the end of his tether through lack of resources to allow his team to compete with its peers in mid-table.

Calculated risk in the transfer market now, in the hands of an experienced manager with a reasonable track record in securing decent value for money, should secure Premier League football for more than just the next season. And, if it does all go wrong and Rovers is to go down to the Championship at the end of next season, will a couple of £million really make that much difference to the melt down that will follow?

That said, regardless of their league status, Blackburn Rovers has been the club I have supported for over 30 years and nothing will change that.

That's a great post but you make the mistake of thinking that the trustees give a sh1t.

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Dear lord please let the heskey rumour mill be a complete and utter smoke screen, man alive i know we have had some truly awful purchases in the past (higgy, blake, grabbi, davies, donis to name but a few) but buying the most overated, over weight and under performing england forward ever has to be some sort of joke.... is it late April fools?

One of the articles i read said that heskey would give us "pressence" oh hell yeah at about 18 stone and as mobile as darwen tower i dare say he would, but a damn site cheaper would be a trip to B+Q and buy a £300 garden shed and leave that up front, chances are it will score more, be caught offside less and be more popular...

what odds to be laughing stock of the prem in three weeks time...

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I think it is worth pointing out that the transfer market in general is pretty dead.

Yes there was the World Cup (and now the players are on delayed holidays as a result) but there are other factors at work:

The UK tax hikes and anti-avoidance measures ('Arry's little local difficulty being an example to others) makes playing for a PL wage much less attractive as our losing out to a Turkish club for Guti shows.

The market for players has become highly stratified and because of the amounts involved, these markets don't interact with each other:

- The £100K+ a week mob are another world as far as Rovers are concerned. We don't compete and these players would never come to Ewood

- The £60K+ a week mob is the big change- two years ago we could have one of these players on our books but now the numbers have risen to £70k to £90k, we cannot. So the mobility of this group of players has dropped dramatically as there are less clubs capable of taking them on.

- The up to £50k a week mob is where we are alongside probably ten others. Some like Brum, WHam and Sunderland still can reach into the bracket above for a marquee signing but by and large we are all stuck together. But we also have a downwards mobility problem because the gap has grown to the next level down and we can no longer sell players to the

- Up to £20k a week mob which includes the dingles last year, Blackpool this year, most of the Championship, Celtic and Rangers and most clubs in Europe excepting Real Madrid, Barcelona, six Italians and a similar number of German clubs of the countries that have functioning tax collection systems.

So there is enormous rigidity when it comes to moving across wage strata now- the amounts of money a player has to forego to trade down for a game have now become enormous and beyond the reasonable action anyone can realistically ask of a responsible family man (which most of them are most of the time).

The final problem in the PL this summer has been a complete lack of liquidity events- transfers between PL clubs which put a club in funds and in need of a replacement player. Sure Citeh have blown £100m but not a penny of that has gone into the Prem. Spurs are usually good for kicking off the merry-go-round but they have sat tight. Liverpool and Man U are stoney broke, Lerner's hands are in his pockets at Villa and Chelsea are playing a long canny game and who knows what Arsenal are up to beyond fending off Barca.

So the only source for transfer fees given sales are non-existant are profits and the entire league is operating at brake-even. So that means owners' pockets and Sunderland, Wolves and Brum have spent some but the rest are talking a good game but spending nothing. Those that aren't broke themselves!

So we are not on our own facing a ridiculously difficult market.

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I think it is worth pointing out that the transfer market in general is pretty dead.

Yes there was the World Cup (and now the players are on delayed holidays as a result) but there are other factors at work:

The UK tax hikes and anti-avoidance measures ('Arry's little local difficulty being an example to others) makes playing for a PL wage much less attractive as our losing out to a Turkish club for Guti shows.

The market for players has become highly stratified and because of the amounts involved, these markets don't interact with each other:

- The £100K+ a week mob are another world as far as Rovers are concerned. We don't compete and these players would never come to Ewood

- The £60K+ a week mob is the big change- two years ago we could have one of these players on our books but now the numbers have risen to £70k to £90k, we cannot. So the mobility of this group of players has dropped dramatically as there are less clubs capable of taking them on.

- The up to £50k a week mob is where we are alongside probably ten others. Some like Brum, WHam and Sunderland still can reach into the bracket above for a marquee signing but by and large we are all stuck together. But we also have a downwards mobility problem because the gap has grown to the next level down and we can no longer sell players to the

- Up to £20k a week mob which includes the dingles last year, Blackpool this year, most of the Championship, Celtic and Rangers and most clubs in Europe excepting Real Madrid, Barcelona, six Italians and a similar number of German clubs.

So there is enormous rigity when it comes to moving across wage strata now.

The final problem in the PL this summer has been a complete lack of liquidity events. Sure Citeh have blown £100m but not a penny of that has gone into the Prem. Spurs are usually good for kicking off the merry-go-round but they have sat tight. Liverpool and Man U are stoney broke, Lerner's hands are in his pockets at Villa and Chelsea are playing a long canny game.

So the only source for transfer fees given sales are non-existant are profits and the entire league is operating at brake-even. So that means owners' pockets and Sunderland, Wolves and Brum have spent some but the rest are talking a good game but spending nothing. Those that aren't broke themselves!

So we are not on our own facing a ridiculously difficult market.

No but we seem to be the only ones admitting it and frustrating our fans so that they can see only doom and gloom. If Villa sell Milner presumably they'll have some cash to spend and others may join the sell to buy brigade. We don't want to and don't have to provided that we are prepared not to see much change in personnel at our club. Unless a fairy godmother/father turns up or we get lucky with a signing it's going to be pretty much as you were at Rovers this year i think.

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No but we seem to be the only ones admitting it and frustrating our fans so that they can see only doom and gloom. If Villa sell Milner presumably they'll have some cash to spend and others may join the sell to buy brigade. We don't want to and don't have to provided that we are prepared not to see much change in personnel at our club. Unless a fairy godmother/father turns up or we get lucky with a signing it's going to be pretty much as you were at Rovers this year i think.

"As you were" seems like a pipe dream right now.

Even without any signings we are already worse than last year. The ONLY silver lining is that we mightn't some youth coming through.

As things stand we are looking for a proven has-been or an unproven might-be... and in the damaged goods section.

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Nicko, has there been any interest from us in Felipe Caciedo? He seems to have a bit of ability, and City don't need him. Maybe we could get him on the cheap?

It was a hoax story put on wiki on Friday, although ironically I believe his name has been put in. Decent player if he could ever master the offside law.

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Definetly wouldnt mind him if the price is right. Im guessing Jelavics price is now cnosidered too high, still on our radar at all?

I think his price is probably too high and his availability small right now.

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I believe Samassa is the guy who will sign... he's on a free. But I think we will have one more in and Rigters out.

I argee with that. also think Rigters will leave and we will signing another striker. On that list will be probably Jo from City on loan, Ceicado from City on loan or permantly, Ilan free.

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such a depressing transfer window.. we can't even bring in a striker, Pedersen signed a new contract, and Grella toyed with our emotions.. if he had only left then the window would have been tolerable...

All we need now is to top it all off and offer andrews a new 5 yr deal

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I take it you missed Heskey's retirement from international football a couple of weeks ago then ;)

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Yes, missed that. i always think it's a damn cheek when people retire from international football. it usually means "I'm not going to get picked here again so I'll try and save some face."

By the way, in case the news hasn't filtered down yet, I have also retired from international football.

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