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Bobby G World Cup

Bobby G

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Past his prime? Well Klose is past his prime too. Many players are, but Raul would be an excellent signing for us.

No doubt about it. The question is how much do we have to pay him?!

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Yeah we really need another well past his prime player on a huge wage on our books.

The same is said about Salgado but he has been an excellent addition to our squad and made a very good impact last season.

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Past his prime? Well Klose is past his prime too. Many players are, but Raul would be an excellent signing for us.

No doubt about it. The question is how much do we have to pay him?!

33 year old player who from what i have seen last season looks a shadow of the player he was and rightly understandable considering his age. A player you would think would cost in the region of £70k+ per week considering his pedigree and huge pay packet at Real Madrid. A player who isn't suited at all to the premier league, our style of direct play nor do we have the players to create the type of chances that he score from.

I couldn't give a toss if he came from Real Madrid or Luton Town, considering his age and the finances involved (remember those that are in favour of this move we have been told our wage budget is maxed out) we shouldn't be looking at this player. If we were a City or a Chelsea that could afford the wages and take the gamble on a player that is coming to the end of his career then that would be a different story.

Hughes had the model right when he was here, you sign players that are out of favour with clubs, but have the talent and most importantly have age on their side when it comes to re-sale value. A buy cheap sell for a profit model is the only one that is viable for a club like ours when you consider the finances. Sam has done this with some players but on others he hasn't, an area where he and the club are going wrong.

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Roberto Policano

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"Lazio are ready and willing to offer £8m to land Portsmouth duo Nadir Belhadj and Kevin-Prince Boateng."

If only we had £8 million to spend. Belhadj at left back and Boateng in midfield would be brilliant for us. I think I'd rather have those two than a striker.

Lazio are trying to sign Hernanes from Sao Paulo,and a couple of Mexicans.

Belhadj could happen if Kolarov leaves.

alexanders World Cup

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Hughes might have had the right model when he was here, but he is actually the one to blame for the high wages.

I agree with you though RVR. Considering we already have a maxed out budget, we should be looking to get some young and hungry players in at lower wages.

It is difficult , but it can be done.

RibbleValleyRover World Cup

RibbleValleyRover

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Raul is a natural goalscorer - something that at the moment we lack....he would also aid Kalinic's development

You think Raul will bang them when we go from back to front most of the time bypassing midfield and we also have no players that can put a decent cross into the box consistently (let's face it we haven't since Bentley)?

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Billy Castell

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Raul is past it, living on past glories and by many accounts the source of much of the dressing room unrest over the years at Real Madrid. Jose is getting rid of him for a reason. Or several.

Iceman World Cup

Iceman

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33 year old player who from what i have seen last season looks a shadow of the player he was and rightly understandable considering his age. A player you would think would cost in the region of £70k+ per week considering his pedigree and huge pay packet at Real Madrid. A player who isn't suited at all to the premier league, our style of direct play nor do we have the players to create the type of chances that he score from.

I couldn't give a toss if he came from Real Madrid or Luton Town, considering his age and the finances involved (remember those that are in favour of this move we have been told our wage budget is maxed out) we shouldn't be looking at this player. If we were a City or a Chelsea that could afford the wages and take the gamble on a player that is coming to the end of his career then that would be a different story.

Hughes had the model right when he was here, you sign players that are out of favour with clubs, but have the talent and most importantly have age on their side when it comes to re-sale value. A buy cheap sell for a profit model is the only one that is viable for a club like ours when you consider the finances. Sam has done this with some players but on others he hasn't, an area where he and the club are going wrong.

sorry, but as much as I want to agree with you on Hughes, I cant. He brought players in, who were not just out of favour, but really out of form. Raul has had a bit of a tough time recently, but form is temporary, class is permanent. Bellamy, Benni and RSC were not in the best of form, but when they came they came with a point to prove. Raul would score goals, no matter if we play long ball or a passing game. We have created chances for Roberts, playing long ball and that shows we do create chances, but need a striker who will take those chances.

Our perception of a striker, unfortunately is one of chasing down and tackling and defending when really he should be in a goal scoring position up front. We had the same issues with Benni, where we wanted him to get stuck in, when really his job was to score goals, not run and drift around in midfield.

We struggling to find a striker, if he is willing, and we are willing to look at the possibility, then why not? I know, money is always an issue with us, but we took a risk on Salgado, and at the end of the day it worked out well. If we can find a youngish striker, who will score goals, on less wages than what Raul would command, then id say go for that option. Its unbelievable, how quickly we are to write off players.

Bobby G World Cup

Bobby G

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Its about the chicken and egg, which came first?

Sam being "unsettled" has to do with the fact that he isnt being allowed to even spend his meagre funds whilst the take-over is ongoing.

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RibbleValleyRover

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sorry, but as much as I want to agree with you on Hughes, I cant. He brought players in, who were not just out of favour, but really out of form. Raul has had a bit of a tough time recently, but form is temporary, class is permanent. Bellamy, Benni and RSC were not in the best of form, but when they came they came with a point to prove. Raul would score goals, no matter if we play long ball or a passing game. We have created chances for Roberts, playing long ball and that shows we do create chances, but need a striker who will take those chances.

There was a big difference between those players and Raul, for one thing:

Bellamy was 26

Benni was 28

Roque was 26

All three of them were at an age where they weren't at their peak and had a re-sale value. Also i highly doubt any of them cost the sort of wage that Raul would command if he came here.

Our perception of a striker, unfortunately is one of chasing down and tackling and defending when really he should be in a goal scoring position up front. We had the same issues with Benni, where we wanted him to get stuck in, when really his job was to score goals, not run and drift around in midfield.

When you are a manager you have two choices when it comes to tactics:

1- You devise tactics based on the players at your disposal.

2- You bring in players to fit your tactics.

Sam is very much in my opinion is more geared towards the second choice here, he has a set way of playing in mind and the players have to meet it otherwise we have to bring players in. If Sam will not budge on our current style, why would he it works? Then i can't see Raul fitting in at all.

You also have to keep in mind that when Benni was in his pomp here and when Roque and Bellamy were brilliant for us, we had far better creative players. We had wingers who could cross a ball, Bentley was the creative force behind Roque's goals, Pedersen was a force before his decline as well. We don't have those players anymore, Bentley was sold and never replaced and Pedersen just can't play on the wing anymore so now he is an average central midfielder.

We struggling to find a striker, if he is willing, and we are willing to look at the possibility, then why not? I know, money is always an issue with us, but we took a risk on Salgado, and at the end of the day it worked out well. If we can find a youngish striker, who will score goals, on less wages than what Raul would command, then id say go for that option. Its unbelievable, how quickly we are to write off players.

Some people need to let their heads overrule their heart, of course the financials matter. We are told by John Williams that wages dominate our budget and it just cannot simply go on. Look at Pompey, a huge part in their downfall was the wages they were paying for average players. On Salgado his contribution has been ok, far from spectacular as some make out and in my view as a right back he hasn't been that much better than when Emerton was playing there or Jacobsen before he had a dip. We are also going to pay the price of having Salgado here in the long term, he has no resale value and he is only going to get slower as he gets older.

Iceman World Cup

Iceman

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There was a big difference between those players and Raul, for one thing:

Bellamy was 26

Benni was 28

Roque was 26

All three of them were at an age where they weren't at their peak and had a re-sale value. Also i highly doubt any of them cost the sort of wage that Raul would command if he came here.

When you are a manager you have two choices when it comes to tactics:

1- You devise tactics based on the players at your disposal.

2- You bring in players to fit your tactics.

Sam is very much in my opinion is more geared towards the second choice here, he has a set way of playing in mind and the players have to meet it otherwise we have to bring players in. If Sam will not budge on our current style, why would he it works? Then i can't see Raul fitting in at all.

You also have to keep in mind that when Benni was in his pomp here and when Roque and Bellamy were brilliant for us, we had far better creative players. We had wingers who could cross a ball, Bentley was the creative force behind Roque's goals, Pedersen was a force before his decline as well. We don't have those players anymore, Bentley was sold and never replaced and Pedersen just can't play on the wing anymore so now he is an average central midfield.

Some people need to let their heads overrule their heart, of course the financials matter. We are told by John Williams that wages dominate our budget and it just cannot simply go on. Look at Pompey, a huge part in their downfall was the wages they were paying for average players. On Salgado his contribution has been ok, far from spectacular as some make out and in my view as a right back he hasn't been that much better than when Emerton was playing there or Jacobsen before he had a dip. We are also going to pay the price of having Salgado here in the long term, he has no resale value and he is only going to get slower as he gets older.

John Williams has also recently handed an improved offer for MGP, which going by what he says didn’t make sense. Granted, that it probably saved us from signing a replacement, but the fact is we didn’t and we offered him more. The problem to a certain extent does not lie with the wage bill we are on at the moment, its struggling to offload the players we no longer want that’s contributing to the problem. Our problem, is that our squad is too big, with too many average players getting paid for doing nothing. JW really needs to sort that out, how I have no idea.

Oklahoma Champions League

Oklahoma

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Vukcevic, Sporting Lisbon midfielder, is going on loan to Olympiakos for one season. They can buy him in the end of the contract for €3.8 million.

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