Capello'S Future

[tcj_jones]

First of all, the players have been a disgrace this tournament. They are the primary reason why we are out. However, I think Capello has a lot to answer for. IMO, he got every single decision that could be made wrong since the World Cup squad was announced. If Capello hadn't have been offered this new contract, I'b be very tempted to sack him.

Here's a list of my major gripes:

- sticking to a 4-4-2 that doesn't suit our squad.

- fitting Lampard and Gerrard into that formation, one wasted on the left.

- J. Cole on the bench.

- starting Green when James was the obvious choice.

- Upson playing over Dawson, who is a considerably better player and who has had a considerably better season.

- bringing a omplete crock (King) with the squad who promptly gets injured within 45 minutes and doesn't return.

- not bringing Ashley Young, yet bringing SWP.

- playing a quarter final with no wing on either pace.

- using Heskey, despite Crouch's fantastic goal scoring record for England.

- dropping Heskey and going instead for two little guys up front who cannot keep hold of the ball when it's punted up to them.

- playing such a rushed, panicky game-plan where we look for a killer ball as soon as we get it, even if it's from our own penalty box.

- lumping it long far too often, when there is nobody up front who it can stick to.

What do people think about Capello's role in this tournament?

[Guest Kamy100]

We can't just keep blaming Managers. It is time that players were held to account.

Yes Capello has made mistakes this tournament but that still doesn't excuse what the players produced today.

[philipl]

Yes the players have been poor but the whole WC campaign has been rank bad management.

[DE.]

There's no doubt Capello is a great club manager, but this does not automatically translate to being a great International manager. I think this world cup campaign has proved that.

Capello made a lot of decisions that baffled just about everybody - mostly explained in the first post - but the retort was always "he's a great manager, he knows what he's doing, just wait and see how the world cup pans out before making judgements".

Well, we have. We drew against the USA, we drew against Algeria with one of the most abymsal performances in recent memory, we managed a massive 1-0 win against Slovenia (better team or not, we couldn't put away our chances), then got battered 4-1 by Germany. Could easily have been 6 or 7-1.

There's no doubt that the players weren't up to it - but Capello's first promise was that he'd pick players who were on form and playing regularly. So what are Green, Upson, SWP, Heskey, Barry, Carrick and Carragher doing in the team? None of these players had good seasons and some of them don't even play regularly.

For £6M a year the least i expect from Capello is to stick to his word - but he didn't. Not only this, but he seems unable to adapt tactically to matches either in progress or otherwise.

The players certainly take their share of the blame - but Capello needs to take just as much, if not more. We looked better under Sven.

[Mr. E]

well, glad there are a few people here at least that can see the truth.

Give David Moeyes the job. Or even Hodgson. McLaren was a failure, but stop with these "foreign experts" that at the end make the stupidest decisions one can imagine.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

Didn't the FA improve Capello's contract days before the World Cup? He could have been sacked without compo if England failed but the FA gave him a new contract which meant he'd have to get compo.

Another great decision!

[philipl]

David Moyes is foreign.

[RibbleValleyRover]

well, glad there are a few people here at least that can see the truth.

Give David Moeyes the job. Or even Hodgson. McLaren was a failure, but stop with these "foreign experts" that at the end make the stupidest decisions one can imagine.

Capello made mistakes, no question about it however i don't think for the third or fourth time in a row you can let the players off scot free here.

Surely if several managers have failed in a row with pretty much the same core of players, that there is clearly something not right and an argument could be made that simply these players just aren't good enough?

[Amo]

Capello made mistakes, no question about it however i don't think for the third or fourth time in a row you can let the players off scot free here.

I appreciate what you're saying, because let's face it too many England players had it easy for too long, but Capello still picked the same old faces who failed on the international stage over and over again. Gerrard & Lampard can NOT play together on the big stage. They simply don't work. Yet every manager shoehorns them into the same team based on their high profile.

[berkshireblue]

Flawed from the start

Sam is a tactical genius in comparison

You cant play interenational football with 4 4 2

You need

4 2 3 1

Best left footer left at home - johnson

Best player on the left - gerard

Upson - Even West Ham season ticket holders say he is crap

Rooney - unfortunately bot been the same player since injured for the scum

Overpaid bunch of wa88ers

Bring on Harry Redknapp

[Mr. E]

Capello made mistakes, no question about it however i don't think for the third or fourth time in a row you can let the players off scot free here.

Surely if several managers have failed in a row with pretty much the same core of players, that there is clearly something not right and an argument could be made that simply these players just aren't good enough?

I don't know who it is that is defending the players? It is obvious they are a disappointment, so obvious that it hardly needs to be mentioned. They failed entirely to reproduce their form for their clubs at international level. As they have for years.

But the question is how much better could they have done if they had actually played with some proper tactics, and not the utter garbage Capello put out? For people claiming that this doesn't matter, well - that's just mentally deficient.

[broadsword]

The players aren't good enough, so why spend so much on one of the world's top managers when even he wouldn't be able to get them to a final. Not that he hasn't at times made some perplexing mistakes.

Capello, with regret, you're fired.

Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[Rovermatt]

well, glad there are a few people here at least that can see the truth.

Give David Moeyes the job. Or even Hodgson. McLaren was a failure, but stop with these "foreign experts" that at the end make the stupidest decisions one can imagine.

Moyes is Scottish. Why on earth would he want to manage England?

Capello - ever the businessman - has no intention of resigning.

Crafty foreigners eh?

[Mr. E]

Moyes is Scottish. Why on earth would he want to manage England?

he would accept the job if it was offered, have no doubts about that.

[FourLaneBlue]

I don't know who it is that is defending the players?

It isn't that people are defending Capello either. Both players and managers were woeful.

[roversmum]

I feel an Abbey rant coming on.

[RANT]

ARROGANT OVERPAID OVER-HYPED UP PLAYERS ABSOLUTE RUBBISH THE LOT OF THEM. GET RID - NOW.

CAPELLO - OVERPAID -OVER-HYPED UP MANAGER ABSOLUTE RUBBISH. GET RID - NOW.

[/RANT]

I've just spent an away season watching Rovers mostly play like they didn't care in the freezing cold. I still feel the pain and I'm in no mood to tolerate my International Team playing the same way.

GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[MarkBRFC71]

Sam is a tactical genius in comparison

You cant play interenational football with 4 4 2

You need

4 2 3 1

Uruguay would argue otherwise - and they're in the quarter finals with a good chance of reaching the semi having played 4-4-2.

It's not about one formation being better than another - it's about picking the formation that best suits the players you have. And 4-4-2 wasn't it for England.

Think we can sum up easily what Germany taught us today in terms of our players standing in world football - 'Best Known' is a long way from 'Best'. Blame the Sky Sports "Best League In The World TM" bo**ocks for leading the simple-minded to think they're the same.

[Amo]

Capello's dubious decisions:

- Playing Gerrard on the left.

- Playing Gerrard & Lampard in the same team.

- Finding a place for Emile Heskey. Even Aston Villa struggle to do that.

- Pleading with has-beens Carragher & Scholes to return.

- Taking David Beckham as a...umm....shop dummy?

- Sidelining England's most technically gifted midfielder (Joe Cole).

[Bobby G]

Players WONT be held accountable. They survive every regime.

Ill tell you the problems as someone who loves the Premier League, but isnt English.

1) No creative central midfielder (Xavi, Pirlo). Closest England has is Carrick. And its a disgrace mentioning his name in the same breath.

2) No holding midfielder of any international standards other than Hargreaves. Barry is NOT that person.

3) Neither Gerrard and Lampard are proper midfielders. They dont pass and have no passing qualities. They score. If you take that out of their games, they are average at best. Its a reality English fans need to come to realize. People say Xavi and Iniesta dont score. They are not meant to score. They do everything they have to do and more. Any goal is a bonus. With your guys its the other way around, if they DONT score, they bring nothing else to the side in my opinion.

4) Arrogance of the players, media and supporters all feed into each other. No other group of three in any country in the world approaches matches, opponents or tournaments this way. This is a "generalization" of each of the three components, but if push comes to shove a majority would fall into what I am saying.

5) Lack of technique. Whatever you want to say, despite the overall improvement in the last 10-15 years, there is still a long way to go. Joe Cole is the closest to a creative, technically gifted player of the latin mould.

6) Inflated prices of average English players means teams will sign foreigners who are MUCH better at less money. Now that sometimes backfires and you end up with an average Johnny Foreigner, but 9 times out of ten you get him for less than the English counterpart.

Now this is just of the some of the factors which are problems, and some of the short-term, some fundamental. I am sure there are more, but I want to watch the future greatest player of all time put on a show now.

[rebelmswar]

he would accept the job if it was offered, have no doubts about that.

I would bet serious money that he would not.

A manager from anywhere near, or in, England is crazed if they take the job.

I would rather be rode out on a rail rather than be the ball boy for England.

[MarkBRFC71]

I know he's an ex-Dingle but Chris Waddle has it just about spot on here:

Chris Waddle

Former England winger on BBC Radio 5 live

The FA sit on their backsides and do nothing tournament after tournament after tournament. Why don't they listen? Why don't they look at other countries and ask 'how do they keep producing talent?'

We coach talent out of players. We're looking to Gerrard and Rooney to turn up at this tournament but they haven't. So where do we go, where is plan B? We haven't got one. We say we've got pacey wingers, we haven't.

The back four can't control it, can't pass it. We lack so many ideas and it is so frustrating. The amount of money in our league is frightening and all we do is waste it on rubbish ideas.

Premier League football is a hundred miles an hour, its like basketball. When you play in the Premier League you can go: you attack, we attack, you attack, we attack.

Germany play exactly like Bayern Munich, or Shalke or Werder Bremen so they take the football from club level onto the international pitch. We try to take the Premier League onto the pitch and were not technically good enough.

We come up against a team that can play little triangles around us. Germany, Spain, all the good sides play around it and we can't adapt to any other system.

We kid ourselves thinking we have a chance if we keep the tempo up. We can only play one way and it is poor. You can't go on playing football and hoping to win trophies playing a hundred miles an hour and putting teams under pressure for 90 minutes. You've got to be able to play slow, slow, quick and we can't do it.

We should have played 4-5-1 in this tournament. We want Gerrard on the ball more. Gerrard plays in 4-5-1 for Liverpool off Torres and Lampard plays further forward for Chelsea. Rooney's played up front alone all season and scored 30 goals so stick him up front on his own.

[MarkBRFC71]

And this, posted on BBC comments page below article about England's WC debacle. If that is indeed how Spain achieved their success, then why can we not simply copy it? A lot of sense here imo:

"This isn’t Capellos fault and anyone who says it is knows nothing about football. Its not even the players fault. The reason its not the players fault is simple, its not their fault they aren’t good enough. It’s not their fault they don’t have the footballing brains to compete at the highest level. It’s the F.A and governments fault pure and simple. Until there is a concerted effort by the 2 bodies to make fundamental changes at grass roots you can have any manager you want in charge, England will never win a major tournament. Spain have 750 fully qualified Grade A UEFA trained coaches compared to under 150 in England. But that’s not even the clincher. The most striking point is this, 150 Grade coaches in England all coach at professional or semi professional level to fully grown men. 640 of the Grade A coaches in Spain teach in SCHOOLS. They coach 5 year olds and up how to play the game. One touch football, pass and move, to actually think about the game when playing. Have a football brain and use it. 15 years ago the Spanish F.A and government changed the whole youth set up from 5 years of age up. 15 years later and they have a group of maybe 7 or 8 world class players in their national team! Sheer luck? Coincidence? I don’t think so. So no its not Capellos fault, its not the players fault. Its the F.A and Governments for not wanting to take the long term route to solve the problem and taking a quick fix method, and maybe even the media for spouting and trying to feed the public the myth that England have world class players and the premier league is the best in the world.

England qualified from a god awful group and as soon as the competition got a little bit higher and little bit stiffer, they were shown up for what they really are. Over hyped. Over paid, spoilt little idiots.

I may sound like an English basher but im far from it. I want England to win a major tournament,I also want the other 3 home nations and Republic of Ireland to be at these tournaments but for any of it to happen there has to be changes. All F.As and all governments need to come together now to address the issues or let this go on for another 44 years. No Manager can change what tools he has to use so it doesn’t whether its Harry Redknapp or Harry Houdini who gets the job next. Stick with Capello but let him have a bigger say in what happens at grass roots.The maybe 15 years from now England the rest of the home nations have teams worth shouting about."

[Tim Southampton Rover]

As much as I'd love England to win the World Cup, i'd hate it if the Premier League turned into the Spanish, German, Italian leagues. There's a reason why the Premier League is the most popular league in the world, it's because it's the most exciting league.

It wasn't long ago all our English clubs were getting to the semi-finals/finals of European competitions knocking out these so called teams. I think it's just a case of being prepared better and knowing how to beat teams who play at a slower pace.

[MarkBRFC71]

As much as I'd love England to win the World Cup, i'd hate it if the Premier League turned into the Spanish, German, Italian leagues. There's a reason why the Premier League is the most popular league in the world, it's because it's the most exciting league.

U

Well, if I could see football like that seen in Spain every week rather than the kick and rush pub football we see now I'd be far happier. And if it helped us replicate Spain's international success then what's not to like? Bring it on.

The Prem is the most popular, because it's the most hyped and has the most marketing money thrown at it - all from Rupert Murdoch and his worldwide media empire. That's the only reason. If it was based on quality of football it would be a far distant second to La Liga.

[Amo]

There's a reason why the Premier League is the most popular league in the world, it's because it's the most exciting league.

Someone watches too many Sky adverts.