[Archived] Cameron'S 1940 Insult To Britain

[tashor]

I didn't even have an Eton education.

You are not one of Us ????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No wonder you are such a Smelly Grubby Little Oik.........................................

[Flopsy]

Not true. Germany had prepared for months the invasion of Britain (Operation Sea Lion) and was vastly superior both in terms of fighting ships and men. Hitler knew however that he could not invade Britain without mastery of the air and for that reason embarked on a pre-invasion campaign to knock out the RAF, which Luftwaffe c-in-c Goering promised would be achieved in 6 weeks. The ensuing Battle of Britain from July - Sept 1940 was the biggest air battle in aviation history and Britain's victory led to Hitler cancelling Operation Sea Lion. If the RAF had been defeated, Britain would have been defenceless to a German invasion and German mastery of western Europe would have been complete. The BoB wasn't just a turning point in the war, it was a turning point in the history of the world. To argue otherwise is nonsense.

Er, they hadn't beaten the RN, they didn't have the naval support to provide naval bombardment and they didn't have the landing craft, if they had tried to land they might have got a small landing but the navy would have swept down and cleared the channel that evening.

The germans didn't have the logistic capabilities to carry such a large opposed naval landing.

DDay, Anzio and the Sicily landings showed what was necessary & local air superiority was only one of them

[jim mk2]

If the Germans had won the BoB the British mainland would have been defenceless to air attack. It is likely that the resultant constant bombardment would have destroyed the seat of govt and the country's infrastructure, Britain would have become ungovernable and forced to surrender. Alternatively in the event of an invasion, with no air cover the RN Home fleet would have been blown out of the water. The Battle of Britain ended in victory for the RAF and Sea Lion was immediately cancelled, in other words the first event caused the second. The BoB changed the course of the war in that it stopped the German advance across Europe and shattered the myth of German military superiority. All subsequent events would not have been possible without the Few. Cameron's ignorance is an insult to them and a glorious episode in this country's history.

[BiggusLaddus]

All this over a slip of the tongue? Jim, do you seriously think that Cameron thinks that Britain was a junior partner to anyone in the year of 1940, when the term could quite legitimately be applied to the decade of the 1940's?

And there were a thousand 'turning points' in the war. If the luftwaffe had continued to bomb airfields instead on embarking on the blitz there would have been no RAF able to effectively take part in the BoB. If Hitler had not personally prevented Gunderian from destroying the allied beachhead at Dunkirk then our morale may have been utterly broken (which is precisely why he prevented it). If Hitler had taken a more diplomatic approach to the USSR to obtain access to Ukranian farmland then there would have been no need deploy millions of German soldiers to the eastern front. If, if, if.

[BuckyRover]

Here's another thing to add to Labour's legacy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-10882522

I like the sentence ""It is a bit like taking out a pretty big mortgage in the expectation your income is going to rise, but the NHS is facing a period where that is not going to happen."

Sums up things quite nicely

[thenodrog]

All this over a slip of the tongue? Jim

A drowning man will clutch at a straw BL.

[thenodrog]

In the light of Bin Ladens summary execution earlier today the following posts make for a revealing read. Revealing in how corrupted and stupid Jim mk2 has become with his irrational hatred of David Cameron.

I hate to say I told you so Jim, but I told you so. Your credibility and status on here will have sunk to new depths. There was a valid reason for Camerons comments and today we all know what it was.

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php/topic/23308-camerons-1940-insult-to-britain/page__view__findpost__p__931372

Hark these words Jim. They are as valid today as when they were written 1968.....

"The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.

Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: "If only," they love to think, "if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen." Perhaps this habit goes back to the primitive belief that the word and the thing, the name and the object, are identical.

At all events, the discussion of future grave but, with effort now, avoidable evils is the most unpopular and at the same time the most necessary occupation for the politician. Those who knowingly shirk it deserve, and not infrequently receive, the curses of those who come after."

True enough, yet you attempted to make silly political capital from it. A retraction on here that you were way way wrong would be in order I think.

[jim mk2]

In the light of Bin Ladens summary execution earlier today the following posts .

Why would someone search out a post from 10 months ago to try to score a point on a messageboard ?

You really are a sad and pathetic little man.

So is the ISI guilty of incompetance or collusion ?..... No one knows yet and nothing has been proved one way or the other but the evidence so far points to the former in a country where the government and military clearly mistrust each other and do not share information.

On a brighter note the British diplomatic service clearly have had some success in reining in our motormouth prime minister in recent months because Cameron has made some very diplomatic remarks towards Pakistan in the past 48 hours none of which however have redressed the disgraceful comments he made when he visited India last year.

[thenodrog]

Why would someone search out a post from 10 months ago to try to score a point on a messageboard ?

You really are a sad and pathetic little man.

So is the ISI guilty of incompetance or collusion ?..... No one knows yet and nothing has been proved one way or the other but the evidence so far points to the former in a country where the government and military clearly mistrust each other and do not share information.

On a brighter note the British diplomatic service clearly have had some success in reining in our motormouth prime minister in recent months because Cameron has made some very diplomatic remarks towards Pakistan in the past 48 hours none of which however have redressed the disgraceful comments he made when he visited India last year.

Why disgraceful?

[adopted scouser]

Haven't watched PMQ's for ages. Watched it today and christ is Miliband out of his depth.

Cameron ran rings round him, even a Labour back bencher could'nt remember the name of the Army's chief of staff.

[den]

Haven't watched PMQ's for ages. Watched it today and christ is Miliband out of his depth.

Cameron ran rings round him, even a Labour back bencher could'nt remember the name of the Army's chief of staff.

You think AS?

The main arguments were centred around the MacMillan Cancer Charity's fury about 7000 cancer patients losing £94 a week in financial support, under the benefit reform bill that's being voted on tonight. Cameron didn't appear to know what was in his own bill. Labour are asking for an apology from Cameron, for saying the argument was "just a smokescreen".

BBC

[thenodrog]

Haven't watched PMQ's for ages. Watched it today and christ is Miliband out of his depth.

Cameron ran rings round him, even a Labour back bencher could'nt remember the name of the Army's chief of staff.

You think AS?

Surely you must think so too Den? He reminds me of Garfields 'friend' Odie.

[den]

How could I trust a grown man who watches Garfield Gord?