[Archived] Other PL happenings 2010-2011

[Iceman]

They can raise about 50-60 million just from Torres and Reina WHEN they leave in June.

on this seasons form, they would be lucky to even sell them both for 20mill. Torres has lost the plot, and imo will be so much better if he goes back to Spain.

[LeChuck]

You didn't need to be a Rocket Scientist to see that Bale & Modric were going to be top players.

Come on Roberto, no need to have a go at Den like that.

To be fair to Comolli, if it was so easy to spot then why did no bigger clubs than Tottenham go for them? Tottenham weren't seen as being anywhere near as big as the (then) established top four at the time they were bought.

He's been responsible for more signings than those two as well. Didn't he bring Touré to Arsenal? That was a hell of a find. I'm surprised he doesn't have a good reputation in Europe.

[BuckyRover]

On top of the players already been mentioned Comolli also was responsible for: Clichy, Eboue, Prince-Boateng, dos Santos, Taarabt, Kaboul, Gomes, Bentley (ha), Corluka, Pavlyuchenko and Berbatov.

Those are his highlights anyway.

Any of those make it into our team?

[Tom]

Why is it that Ryan Babel gets charged for his light hearted comments on twitter yet the QPR players havn't been yet after threatening Diouf openly on there?

If you replaced the name EH Diouf with Gerrard, Rooney or Terry the FA would be all over it.

[Valois]

Why is it that Ryan Babel gets charged for his light hearted comments on twitter yet the QPR players havn't been yet after threatening Diouf openly on there?

If you replaced the name EH Diouf with Gerrard, Rooney or Terry the FA would be all over it.

Agree, although I believe the FA are still investigating the whole matter. Incidently Diouf was just on SSN denying he said anything to Mackie in regards to his leg, and called Warnock a nobody.

[roversmum]

Oh dear. So much for a dignified silence ...

[Valois]

Oh dear. So much for a dignified silence ...

Was gonna say Rovermum, you spoke a bit to early. The guys a loose cannon, still calling someone a sewer rat, is far worse than just been called a nobody

[den]

You didn't need to be a Rocket Scientist to see that Bale & Modric were going to be top players.

Come on Roberto, no need to have a go at Den like that.

You bitch LeChuck

Just for the record, at the time we were discusing him, he was playing full back and not doing too well. He spent a while on the subs bench at Spurs at the time - and that's why we - on this site - were discussing signing him.

Seeing that you started something here, how's Lennon going on with his new found vision? Didn't see anything of that when he played in last summers world cup. He created just as much as he ever did.

[LeChuck]

You bitch LeChuck

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

(you'll see I tactfully cut out the Lennon part from the quote, we'll just go round in circles like always)

[den]

(you'll see I tactfully cut out the Lennon part from the quote, we'll just go round in circles like always)

Good move for the sanity of the site.

[BuckyRover]

Was gonna say Rovermum, you spoke a bit to early. The guys a loose cannon, still calling someone a sewer rat, is far worse than just been called a nobody

Warnock has got off lightly to be fair

[Roberto Policano]

Not to be telling someone how to do their job Roberto, but I think you need to look more into the history of the Boston Red Sox & the cable television industry in the New England section of the USA. They might not make money, especially in the early years, but in the long run they certainly won't lose it either. For the most part these people have shown that they've their s**t together, if you know what I mean. Years of fighting the financially mighty New York Yankees in an uncapped sport (no wage limits, just a tax set so high that few clubs (the Sox are one) ever approach it) have weaned theses people in preparation for European football. It will interesting to see what they do.

I see what you are saying but Baseball & Football could not be more different if you tried.

Baseball players are recruited though drafting & trading,and not transfer fees.

At the draft all you need to agree is wage & signing bonus.In football unless players have come through the youth academy

You need to agree wages+bonus,signing on fee & most importantly the transfer fee,and that is where the big money is needed.especially in an elite football league.

Finances in Baseball do not fluctuate as there is only the 1 trophy they are playing for,and the same amount of games is guaranteed,bar the post season.

Where in football Cup competition & the Champions League make for a volatile financial structure.

Tottenham for example will see their revenue go up £20 million this year as it stands due to their efforts in the Champions League,But there is no guaranteed they will even be in the competition next season.

No pressure of relegation on baseball clubs,if you finish bottom so what,not alot changes,Players in baseball respect their contracts,which isn't so in European football.

Only 5 teams in the Red Sox division.So less can go wrong.

So baseball teams are far better placed when planning financially.

Baseball players play on into their 40's,football players are considered to be coming to the end of their playing days in their early 30's.That Tugay fella was a rare expection in modern day football.

Longer contracts are given out in baseball,10 year contracts are not rare.

Liverpool's new owner said he knew nothing about football when he took over,and that he was learning football by reading books.I'm not sure you can learn about football just by reading a few books.

Liverpool are an aging team,the only people they can sell to raise alot of money will weaken the team further.

Is Dalglish the right man to manage them?.personally i'm not so sure.

Re Comolli:::

I was aware of Bale 2 years before he left Southampton.As were all the big football clubs.Milan & Juventus had watched him 4-5 times at Southampton for example.

Bale went to Tottenham because he was told he would be given playing time,so i'm told.

The big teams in Italy & Spain never bid in the end making it easier for Tottenham.

Both Juve & Milan had planned the sign Modric in the August,they could not commit early because they could only sign 2 non EU players.Both had been told of Tottenham's bid an hour after the move by Tottenham,neither club reacted,so the path was left easier for Tottenham.

I don't know Steve Rowley personally.but i know people who do,they all tell me,Wenger sent Comolli to watch Toure,Eboue & Clichy and compile scout reports on the players,Wenger found the players not Comolli.

Dimitar Berbatov & dos Santos were Daniel Levy & Frank Arnesen signings.

I'm told Comolli was responsable for signing 7 players at Tottenham.

[American]

Robert, the only major differences are relegation and Champs league. Drafting in baseball is far different than other sports. Baseball doesn't have any official slotting and such, plus players usually have the option to go to University. A lot of clubs like the Red Sox do take big risks on drafting players, and it does become more like a transfer, because they will take a risk on a player that has top 5 talent, but pick him near the 30th pick, because they think they can use the club's money and reputation to convince the player to forgo university to play in the minor leagues for a few years first (there is a lot more involved in that, this is the simplified version).

As for baseball free agency, there really isn't much of a difference between that and transfers. How often does a player get transferred to a club he doesn't want to play for? They will trust management to find their targets and spend the money necessary to bring them to the club - hopefully the new management isn't dumb enough to spend 20 million on Aquilani.

What the owners have also shown is a willingness to invest in younger talent - I wouldn't be shocked if they start becoming more like Arsenal and buying promising young players and developing them.

I have a major hatred of all things Red Sox, but do respect that they know how to build a club and trust the people that work for them to spend their money and build it properly.

[Roberto Policano]

Do you not think the Red Sox just got lucky with their first World Series win? i did.

Manny Ramirez was already at the club before Nesv turned up.Pedro Martinez too.

Then they took David Ortiz on big money,Curt Schilling too.

For me they had the best 5 starting pitchers that season & none of them got injured.

Never bought into the Billy Beane stuff.

[American]

Remember, David Ortiz was a nobody at Minnesota and they released him - the Sox rescued his career from the scrap heap (well, them and the Steroids).

There is value to be found through statistics and past performance. Moneyball is about finding quality where other people don't see it - Beane and co just happened to use statistics. In baseball and the NFL it has been successful - just look at the Steelers - they don't worry about how fast someone runs, or how big they are, they just worry about how they performed in college.

[doctorryan]

Roberto, you missed one very important part of the first sentence in my post. We don't know each other of course, but I've enjoyed your contributions here. If we did know each other you would not have wasted so much time with that response. Here, I'll give you a big hint: NESN. Liverpool could go down 2 divisions and NESV would manage just fine. ....and eventually they would get the Reds back up.

[TheNews]

Where in football Cup competition & the Champions League make for a volatile financial structure.

Tottenham for example will see their revenue go up £20 million this year as it stands due to their efforts in the Champions League,But there is no guaranteed they will even be in the competition next season.

Think your find the additional income will be nearer £40m

CL money comes from 2 sources

1. Prize money

2. TV and Marketing Pool

The prize money is €3.9m just for making group stages, €550k per match in group stages, €800k for a win & €400k for a draw

So Spurs would have earned so far:-

€3.9m

€3.3m

€3.2m (3 x €800k + 2 x €400k)

€10.4m

They receive another €3.0m for making the round of 16

So without marketing & TV they have already won €13.4m

Now the TV money is split via country TV audience figures and then 50/50 by number of games played and league position the previous year

Last season the TV & Marketing pool was some €337.8m of which English clubs received about 24.6% some €83.014m

50% is allocated to previous years league position (20% for 1st, 15% for 2nd, 10% for 3rd & 5% for 4th)

The other 50% is split on the total number of games played by English teams x number of games played by each club.

So what will Spurs recieve - currently they have played 6 games (qualifiers do not count) and will have a minimum of 2 more games (AC Milan). Other English clubs have so far played the same but with Arsenal drawn against Barca 8 will look like being their total number of games. Lets say Spurs lose to AC Milan (although I think they may well go throw) so thats 8 games for them too. Say ManU make the Final and Chelsea make the Semi that would be 13 and 12 games. So total games for English clubs 41 of which Spurs played in 8 or 19.5% of 50% so 9.75%, add their 5% for coming 4th = 14.75% of the total pot. Now even based on last years pool and England's % thats another €12.2m

So 13.4m + 12.2m = 25.6m or £22.25m now add home gate money to that, Qualifier + 3 Group game and Round of 16 = 5 Games @ 35,000 x £42 = £7.35m plus corporate stuff will exceed £32m already. If they beat AC Milan thats another €3.3m Prize Money and a bigger slice of TV money + €1.6m so another €4.9m or £4.2m plus a further home gate £2m so just for making Q/F Spurs revenues will be up £38m+

It really is a gravy train and one club that will suffer big time this year is Liverpool. They received about £25m from CL + Gate money last season and they went out in the group stage!

As much as I hate what is going on at Man City I would actually love both Spurs and City to come in top 4 and know Chelsea out too and see the demise of them even more. Prize Money they got from CL last season was £28m plus gate money.

On the back of that I believe Spurs will spend big this window to try to keep up with the Jones's and think they will land a top striker in either Luis Suárez from Ajax or Fabiano from Serville (£18m), Pienaar £2m, Diarra £8m, Wickham £5m+ and maybe even Beckham. They have a good squad already so will offload what they consider deadwood and bring in quality, Bentley already gone Keane and Jeans maybe off loaded and maybe one of Crouch or Pav (what ever his name is) too and a few more to be loaned out.

[Bobby G]

Think your find the additional income will be nearer £40m

CL money comes from 2 sources

1. Prize money

2. TV and Marketing Pool

The prize money is €3.9m just for making group stages, €550k per match in group stages, €800k for a win & €400k for a draw

So Spurs would have earned so far:-

€3.9m

€3.3m

€3.2m (3 x €800k + 2 x €400k)

€10.4m

They receive another €3.0m for making the round of 16

So without marketing & TV they have already won €13.4m

Now the TV money is split via country TV audience figures and then 50/50 by number of games played and league position the previous year

Last season the TV & Marketing pool was some €337.8m of which English clubs received about 24.6% some €83.014m

50% is allocated to previous years league position (20% for 1st, 15% for 2nd, 10% for 3rd & 5% for 4th)

The other 50% is split on the total number of games played by English teams x number of games played by each club.

So what will Spurs recieve - currently they have played 6 games (qualifiers do not count) and will have a minimum of 2 more games (AC Milan). Other English clubs have so far played the same but with Arsenal drawn against Barca 8 will look like being their total number of games. Lets say Spurs lose to AC Milan (although I think they may well go throw) so thats 8 games for them too. Say ManU make the Final and Chelsea make the Semi that would be 13 and 12 games. So total games for English clubs 41 of which Spurs played in 8 or 19.5% of 50% so 9.75%, add their 5% for coming 4th = 14.75% of the total pot. Now even based on last years pool and England's % thats another €12.2m

So 13.4m + 12.2m = 25.6m or £22.25m now add home gate money to that, Qualifier + 3 Group game and Round of 16 = 5 Games @ 35,000 x £42 = £7.35m plus corporate stuff will exceed £32m already. If they beat AC Milan thats another €3.3m Prize Money and a bigger slice of TV money + €1.6m so another €4.9m or £4.2m plus a further home gate £2m so just for making Q/F Spurs revenues will be up £38m+

It really is a gravy train and one club that will suffer big time this year is Liverpool. They received about £25m from CL + Gate money last season and they went out in the group stage!

As much as I hate what is going on at Man City I would actually love both Spurs and City to come in top 4 and know Chelsea out too and see the demise of them even more. Prize Money they got from CL last season was £28m plus gate money.

On the back of that I believe Spurs will spend big this window to try to keep up with the Jones's and think they will land a top striker in either Luis Suárez from Ajax or Fabiano from Serville (£18m), Pienaar £2m, Diarra £8m, Wickham £5m+ and maybe even Beckham. They have a good squad already so will offload what they consider deadwood and bring in quality, Bentley already gone Keane and Jeans maybe off loaded and maybe one of Crouch or Pav (what ever his name is) too and a few more to be loaned out.

Excellent post. Puts the CL in right light.

[braddock]

Good to see a footballer talking like this

[Roberto Policano]

Roberto, you missed one very important part of the first sentence in my post. We don't know each other of course, but I've enjoyed your contributions here. If we did know each other you would not have wasted so much time with that response. Here, I'll give you a big hint: NESN. Liverpool could go down 2 divisions and NESV would manage just fine. ....and eventually they would get the Reds back up.

Fair enough mate,I know how much money & the plans they have for Liverpool and i don't think it will work mate.Neither do people better placed than me.But only time will tell i guess.

Think your find the additional income will be nearer £40m

Sorry fella it's been lost in translation(English isn't my first language).I said as it stands,as of yesterday.

And having been a Journalist for over 20 years i'm more than aware of the Champions League money payout.

[Commondore]

Demba Ba signs for Stoke.

[cn174]

Dalglish Out!! Souness in!!

awww poor Liverpool!

[Mc Love]

Sky sources understand that Grant will be sacked today regardless of result and MON is taking over

[Bobby G]

So if they beat Arsenal, and having beaten Birmingham, the owners will have the audacity to sack him? Id be shocked.

[Ricky]

So the porn kings will sack him even after he's gone on a decent run and pulled them off the foot of the table. It's also half way through the transfer window. Surely they should have given him the boot a few weeks ago if they were going to do it.