[Archived] Rovers Thugs

[Gav]

Is it? loss of job and career? really, I think you should look closely at the barriers we now have to work with when dealing with kids, extremely difficult, any form of violence could result in the loss of jobs, not only this year, but I understand its now a five year period as a minimum!!

How did it come about? he was asked where he was from, all my family live close to dingle land, yet they are Rovers fans and many are season ticket holders,this was in the late evening, not the afternoon, alcohol to me is no excuse, its used too often as an excuse for bad behaviour, I like a drink with my mates, sometimes have got very tipsy, yet I dont resort to violence.

He shouldn’t have said he was from Burnley, you don’t expect to get a smack in the mouth mind you, but that was a bit naïve of him.

As for the loss of job etc, wouldn’t have stopped me defending my mate from getting a kicking, simple as that. I’d have taken the consequences to stop that happening.

But that’s just me.

[dr_awol]

talk about a total over reaction to a smack in the mouth ... it happens, get over it. Take out the Rovers/Burnley element and it wouldn't even get a mention.

you cant really take out the Rovers/Burnley element, as this seams the be the reason it happened. therefore the reason "total over reaction" these thugs associate themselves to rovers and as a result lower the standing of rovers.

[AndyNeil]

thug, read the OP ...

[tony gale's mic]

He shouldn’t have said he was from Burnley, you don’t expect to get a smack in the mouth mind you, but that was a bit naïve of him.

As for the loss of job etc, wouldn’t have stopped me defending my mate from getting a kicking, simple as that. I’d have taken the consequences to stop that happening.

But that’s just me.

A lot of jobs (including mine) a career can effectively go more or less down the pan if you have violent crime come up on your CRB check. If there's no impartial witnesses you'd definitely get done by the police.

However it shouldn't really make someone ashamed to be a Rovers fan - every football club has its idiot fans and sadly as a town Blackburn has more than its fair share too.

[broadsword]

Defend yourself first, worry about the job afterwards.

If he'd got smacked harder and went to ground, would his mates have stodd around if he was taking further blows? B*gger the job, what job would you have if you ended up in a vegetative state?

[unluckymorton]

A lot of jobs (including mine) a career can effectively go more or less down the pan if you have violent crime come up on your CRB check. If there's no impartial witnesses you'd definitely get done by the police.

However it shouldn't really make someone ashamed to be a Rovers fan - every football club has its idiot fans and sadly as a town Blackburn has more than its fair share too.

Defending a friend and splitting up a fight is not classed as violent crime. If it is all on CCTV that would not be an issue. Like Gav I'd have jumped in there to save a mate a good beating or just to deflect some of the beating from them, but you have to make a split second decision and what I'd do is not necessarily right or wrong. If there are no impartial witnesses it is highly unlikely you would be prosecuted, there would be no case with no hard evidence against you.

However, supporting your local team does not warrant losing your front teeth and receiving a good kicking. I hope justice is done.

[Gav]

A lot of jobs (including mine) a career can effectively go more or less down the pan if you have violent crime come up on your CRB check. If there's no impartial witnesses you'd definitely get done by the police.

...and my job also tony, but that’s the last thing on my mind if my mate was getting a kicking, it just wouldn't even enter my head.

Just another perspective on this, if they had jumped in and been caught, they'd have received banning orders, now is that right 5 hours after the match had finished 20 miles away? And make no mistake about it, the police would have applied for banning orders for all involved, or should I say, seen by the police as to have been involved.

[RibbleValleyRover]

In this day and age you can't defend yourself, if you do there is a good chance you will end up in more trouble than the person who instigated the attack or aggressive behaviour in the first place. I can totally understand why he didn't fight back.

Sounds like some real scumbags Kelbo, I hope they get what they deserve.

[Ossydave]

Christ if all we have to worry about is a dingle getting a slap off one presumably drunk bloke we're doing bloody well

[Fife Rover]

In this day and age you can't defend yourself, if you do there is a good chance you will end up in more trouble than the person who instigated the attack or aggressive behaviour in the first place. I can totally understand why he didn't fight back.

Sounds like some real scumbags Kelbo, I hope they get what they deserve.

I fully agree RVR. This problem has been getting steadily worse ever since the whole crackpot ideas of "Political Correctness " first became "trendy" in the very early '60s. And was compounded by the even more crackpot ideas of Dr. Spock also in the '60s. It rapidly became more and more difficult to discipline children when they needed it, either in the home or at school. Added to this it became "non PC" to teach religion or moralty in schools, and the end result was that a whole generation grew up without ever knowing the true value of a good honest upbringing and education that all generations prior to 1960 had and society at large had benefited from. The rest is history......an ever increasing downward spiral towards the selfish and violent society that we know today.

Before anybody explodes with indignation at such an accusation...... yes I DO realise that it is still only a minority that are anti-social or otherwise disfunctional, but this minority with their drug and alcohol abuse culture cause more misery and expense to the society at large than they are worth.

[ABBEY]

Sounds suss to me! Great mates you have glad there not in the trenches

[Tim Southampton Rover]

A guy gets attacked yet some people on here end up having a go at the victim and his friends.

Unbelievable.

[john-rover]

i went to 10+ away games last season, and i have to say thats some of the idiots that follow rovers away, are so disgusting in some of their actions. there is an away culture now that people go just to go and get ###### and dont actually care about the result, in fact if we lose it is probably used as an excuse to insite trouble. i know people will disagree with me, but unfortunately it is true. fair enough go and enjoy the game, have drinks before and after the game if you want, but dont just go round looking for trouble.

[yeti-dog]

talk about a total over reaction to a smack in the mouth ... it happens, get over it. Take out the Rovers/Burnley element and it wouldn't even get a mention.

Without wishing to be rude you sound like a right tool.A guy is out minding his own business,causing no problems and goes home minus his front teeth.Grow up.

...and my job also tony, but that’s the last thing on my mind if my mate was getting a kicking, it just wouldn't even enter my head.

Gav..your only purpose on this thread seems to be have been to show how big your b****x are.Violence isn't the way..I work in a prison,I see on a daily basis where misguided machismo can lead.

I fully agree RVR. This problem has been getting steadily worse ever since the whole crackpot ideas of "Political Correctness " first became "trendy" in the very early '60s. And was compounded by the even more crackpot ideas of Dr. Spock also in the '60s. It rapidly became more and more difficult to discipline children when they needed it, either in the home or at school. Added to this it became "non PC" to teach religion or moralty in schools, and the end result was that a whole generation grew up without ever knowing the true value of a good honest upbringing and education that all generations prior to 1960 had and society at large had benefited from. The rest is history......an ever increasing downward spiral towards the selfish and violent society that we know today.

Before anybody explodes with indignation at such an accusation...... yes I DO realise that it is still only a minority that are anti-social or otherwise disfunctional, but this minority with their drug and alcohol abuse culture cause more misery and expense to the society at large than they are worth.

Fife,

You're a good poster,but you've made a bit of a large leap from mindless thuggery to drug and alcohol abuse in general..it makes you sound a bit

....Daily Mail.

A guy gets attacked yet some people on here end up having a go at the victim and his friends.

Unbelievable.

Couldn't agree more Tim.

[1864roverite]

A guy gets attacked and he is to blame for mentioning where he is from ?

The police will do you if there are no impartial witnesses ?

JHC, we do get some rubbish written on here and from posters who usually have some good points to put across.

fact is, someone got badly assaulted therefore the offender needs dealing with.

Your mates could have restrained the offender WITHOUT any fear of further action, CRB checks are for convictions only and I will guarantee this, our nates would never have been convicted of anything if they had helped restrain the said offneder.

The victim himself would have had no problem with any self defence if he had knocked the guy clean out especially with the evidence of his mates and cctv.

In todays society, like Mike (PB) said, its a sad reflection.

Lets hope your mate recovers and the offender gets what he deserves through the judiciary system.

[AlanK]

A guy gets attacked yet some people on here end up having a go at the victim and his friends.

Unbelievable.

Couldn`t agree more. Got no time for mindless idiots.

[Gav]

Gav..your only purpose on this thread seems to be have been to show how big your b****x are.Violence isn't the way..I work in a prison,I see on a daily basis where misguided machismo can lead.

Your only purpose on this thread seems to have been to try and antagonise people having a perfectly good debate.

Fishing trip maybe

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Couldn`t agree more. Got no time for mindless idiots.

Me too.

[bazza]

I fully agree RVR. This problem has been getting steadily worse ever since the whole crackpot ideas of "Political Correctness " first became "trendy" in the very early '60s. And was compounded by the even more crackpot ideas of Dr. Spock also in the '60s. It rapidly became more and more difficult to discipline children when they needed it, either in the home or at school. Added to this it became "non PC" to teach religion or moralty in schools, and the end result was that a whole generation grew up without ever knowing the true value of a good honest upbringing and education that all generations prior to 1960 had and society at large had benefited from. The rest is history......an ever increasing downward spiral towards the selfish and violent society that we know today.

Before anybody explodes with indignation at such an accusation...... yes I DO realise that it is still only a minority that are anti-social or otherwise disfunctional, but this minority with their drug and alcohol abuse culture cause more misery and expense to the society at large than they are worth.

Fife, you couldn't have put it better. I agree entirely. Whatsmore, I feel sorry for the generations of children that have been so neglected.

[Mr. E]

I don't think this is about who's wrong and who's right, the point is not to do stupid things. Tell your friend it's not a good idea to stick his finger in an electric socket either.

[AspRover]

Depends how you look at it.

Scenario 'A' - You, wearing a Burnley shirt, walk up to a clearly inhebriated bloke wearing a rovers shirt and begin to taunt him.

This is clearly stupid, and common sense would dictate that any risk of abuse is probably your own fault. This seems to be the model a lot of guys on here seem to be working with.

Or, scenario 'B' - Its late at night, you're waiting for a train when a guy walks up to you and asks you where you are from. Slightly taken aback you say 'Burnley' without thinking. You are then punched in the face so hard you require emergency dental work, whilst the bloke justifies this by saying he supports rovers.

This is the work of an idiot, for which there is no excuse. If caught, the offender should be prosecuted and preferably banned from rovers (not that this occured within ewood or anything, I just don't want to be sat next to this ###### on matchdays.)

Admitedly I don't know which model is closest to the truth, but some of the statements being made on here are unbelievably harsh.

[Amo]

Sorry to hear about your mate. Perhaps in hindsight he should have thought twice before saying he lived in Burnley, but it's not every day you expect someone to floor you. I do share the concern about his friends doing nothing to help him. That's just shameful, in my book.

[AndyNeil]

On the Blackpool v Rovers 'Paul' has had paint stripper thrown over his car and will probably cost a fair few hundred quid to get fixed, if not more - no moral outrage there. Yet some bloke gets a slap (while all his mates just stand by and let it happen) and you'd think by reading this that GBH (or worse) had been committed - like I said previously, total over-raction to something that probably happens every saturday night in most towns/cities up and down the country.

Does it make what happened right, no of course it doesn't .... but please

[cesus]

My dad is a Rovers fan and lives in Burnley, must remind him not to mention where he is from next time we go to an away game!

[Antgrad]

you'd think by reading this that GBH (or worse) had been committed - like I said previously, total over-raction

You're right its not GBH. Its merely ABH punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment. Total over-reaction.