[Archived] Rovers Takeover

[dave birch]

To say that:

* we're gonna be a feeder club for the rest of football

*The agents will pick the team and the manager will be a puppet

*we won't have any stability cos players will be moving in and out all the time

all that is hysterical.

I was half right, by virtue of my eyes being 64 years old. The asterisk look like inverted commas.

[deryck guyler's spoon]

My stance has always been that I hope none of the takeovers happen and we stay with the Walker Trust -

You HAVE to be joking?

[thenonda]

No Dave--none of those are actual quotes, that's why they are NOT in inverted commas but they are comments that have been made. Haven't you read them?

Just because you dont agree does not mean they are hysterical.

[Paul]

But that's always going to be the way. I struggle to remember many take-overs that have not resulted in a manager being sacked shortly after its completion. Sam's done well in keeping us up, but if you were going to a game for the first time what impression would you get? Our support yesterday was hardly positive about him, Forums don't paint a rosy picture and neither do the press/media.

If I had my team going through the books as well then to gain a better picture I'd be scrutinsing the recent transfers:

Kalinic 6 million, not doing well.

Chimbonda 1.5million, not playing.

Diouf 1.5million, doing well.

Van heerden, gone

N'zonzi, great last year, but I've only seen this.

Diouf 2, alright but a loaner

Benjani, No Comment.

1 of them is doing well this year, the rest flatter to deceive and are not performing. Now whilst its not significant investment in premiership terms, it is investment and I'd ask what I would get for them in their current form? Now who would I ask? Rovers, maybe but its far more likely I'd turn to my partner Kentaro. I wonder what they would say, especially when it comes to the major one.

Also least we forget that Kentaro are a European company and football is very different on the continent, direct play is rare even at the lowest levels of the game. It is not well thought off and its highly unlikely they will have seen how we can play from the tail end of last season. I wonder what they are saying to VH about what they see on the pitch?

Opinion is split over many things, the fans are restless and fed-up and its been going on for months now. I can see why people who really haven't seen a lot of rovers over the last couple of years would walk in and think change is needed. Comments in the recent media cannot exactly help the impression that is generated, how do they know its all tongue in cheek?

Sam has done well for us overall, its been up and down and he's not the only one who should shoulder blame for our current plight. But he is the easy target and the one easily pushed out the door.

I feel this is a very valid post and makes many good points. If the questions were asked of the manager by Kentaro????

[Hughesy]

When talking about transfers people also need to consider the value paid - and what else could have been had for that amount.

Except for Kalinic, which was decent money - who could have done better than £500k NZonzi, Freebie Salgado, £3.5m Givet etc?? People bang on about Gamst this season, or Diouf on loan, or Benjani on a free - WE HAD ZERO pennies, what more could have been done with nothing??

[John]

Sam wanted to buy Crouch/Darren Bent that summer however we did not have enough money. £6 million is huge for us but still relatively small in Premier League terms (for a top class striker anyway).

Bargains of course can be found however it is not as easy as some may think.

[sparkspakespoke]

When talking about transfers people also need to consider the value paid - and what else could have been had for that amount.

Except for Kalinic, which was decent money - who could have done better than £500k NZonzi, Freebie Salgado, £3.5m Givet etc?? People bang on about Gamst this season, or Diouf on loan, or Benjani on a free - WE HAD ZERO pennies, what more could have been done with nothing??

Birminham got Hleb on loan, we should have been all over that deal. Our reliance on Dunn as the one real creative outlet is painful considering his injury record. Hleb would have been perfect.

[modes98]

Sam wanted to buy Darren Bent that summer however we did not have enough money.

That was an opportunity we have regretted passing up on. You can see the damage he has done on his own in the Sunderland team, he would have repaid every penny of his transfer over the years. Instead we have a development project in Kalinic. The Trust/JW should have worked harder to try and secure the funds for the transfer imo and it is not often I say that about JW.

[Amo]

When talking about transfers people also need to consider the value paid - and what else could have been had for that amount.

Except for Kalinic, which was decent money - who could have done better than £500k NZonzi, Freebie Salgado, £3.5m Givet etc?? People bang on about Gamst this season, or Diouf on loan, or Benjani on a free - WE HAD ZERO pennies, what more could have been done with nothing??

We could have ditched Pedersen, saved his £8m contract for the future, and played our younger players like Linganzi, Morris, Marrow etc. Maybe then we'd see an end to this pathetic long-throw routine.... maybe.

[HemelRover]

Birminham got Hleb on loan, we should have been all over that deal.

You know for a fact we wern't? If i was Hleb and i had the chance of playing for Rovers or Brum, or Thomas Hitzelberger with the choice of Rovers or West Ham it wouldnt be Blue and White halves i would be playing in this season.

[Exiled in Toronto]

But that's always going to be the way. I struggle to remember many take-overs that have not resulted in a manager being sacked shortly after its completion. Sam's done well in keeping us up, but if you were going to a game for the first time what impression would you get? Our support yesterday was hardly positive about him, Forums don't paint a rosy picture and neither do the press/media.

If I had my team going through the books as well then to gain a better picture I'd be scrutinsing the recent transfers:

Kalinic 6 million, not doing well.

Chimbonda 1.5million, not playing.

Diouf 1.5million, doing well.

Van heerden, gone

N'zonzi, great last year, but I've only seen this.

Diouf 2, alright but a loaner

Benjani, No Comment.

1 of them is doing well this year, the rest flatter to deceive and are not performing. Now whilst its not significant investment in premiership terms, it is investment and I'd ask what I would get for them in their current form? Now who would I ask? Rovers, maybe but its far more likely I'd turn to my partner Kentaro. I wonder what they would say, especially when it comes to the major one.

Also least we forget that Kentaro are a European company and football is very different on the continent, direct play is rare even at the lowest levels of the game. It is not well thought off and its highly unlikely they will have seen how we can play from the tail end of last season. I wonder what they are saying to VH about what they see on the pitch?

Opinion is split over many things, the fans are restless and fed-up and its been going on for months now. I can see why people who really haven't seen a lot of rovers over the last couple of years would walk in and think change is needed. Comments in the recent media cannot exactly help the impression that is generated, how do they know its all tongue in cheek?

Sam has done well for us overall, its been up and down and he's not the only one who should shoulder blame for our current plight. But he is the easy target and the one easily pushed out the door.

Good post. I would add another aspect which is that they weill also be evaluating Sam against what is required to successfully execute their strategy.

It clearly depends of good young players coming into our team, playing well in the eyes of bigger, richer clubs, and being sold for massive profits. Last season it was clear that Sam was putting youngsters in the team, but this year it's much harder to judge. Jones played out of position, Olssen barely featuring albeit with an inujury, N'Zonzi dropped andnamed/shamed in the papers as a billy bigtime, Hoillet still flattering. Hmmm

But looking broader, who gets their reputation enhanced and then snapped up by a top 6 club playing for Sam? Anyone doing well playing Sam's style will hardly be displaying the attributes that would tempt someone to pay 30 million for them. The one aspect of Sam's approach that may resonate is his liking for playing veteran good players on their last paypacket, who may be exactly the kind of players you need to balance the youngsters. Not sure it makes up for the other question marks though, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if their experts are advising the VH that our own expert may not be the man to execute a very different strategy to "stay up and we don't care how"

[47er]

Just because you dont agree does not mean they are hysterical.

Hysteria was actually Nicko's term but I do think these points are very far-fetched and just show an unwillingness to even consider something new and different.

[joey_big_nose]

That was an opportunity we have regretted passing up on. You can see the damage he has done on his own in the Sunderland team, he would have repaid every penny of his transfer over the years. Instead we have a development project in Kalinic. The Trust/JW should have worked harder to try and secure the funds for the transfer imo and it is not often I say that about JW.

Realistically I don't think someone like Bent or Crouch is on the cards for us. Both bust be on over 70 or 80k a week plus demand huge transfer fees. Just not plausible, evn perhaps after a takeover as well as now.

Kalinic was a gamble - as all our transfers have been since Andy Cole in my opinion (the last time we bought established quality) - and to be honest it looks a poor one now. He has talent but physical Premiership defenders seem to be able to handle him very easily. He cannot get in behind or work the box. His balance is particularly suspect - I have bever seen anyone lose their footing so often. There have been people saying he might perform better in 442, and it is worth a shot, but it is hard to see how our other key players fit into a 442. With the midfield so poor we can only really even think of doing that at home against other mid table/bottom half teams so it is never going to be a regular occurance.

To be honest as each game goes by, it looks more and more like 6 million wasted. Massive shame.

That said I would be interested to see how Kalinic and Benjani up front together against Wigan would work. Perhaps if we could get Kali more regularly into the box - he is clearly a box player - then maybe we would see more from him. But our tactics are not designed to commitplayers forward except at set pieces.

[Hughesy]

Birminham got Hleb on loan, we should have been all over that deal. Our reliance on Dunn as the one real creative outlet is painful considering his injury record. Hleb would have been perfect.

Hleb??? The same lad that left Arsenal because they wouldn’t pay his MASSIVE wages that he wanted? Reported 90k, so he went to Barca?

The same player that turned down Liverpool, Benfica & Spurs(link)? For 1 there would be a loan fee involved (WE HAD NO MONEY) & 2 his wages will be HUGE!!

How could we have competed??

[Pete1981]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/blackburnrovers/news/8472703.Kentaro_in_VH_Group___s_Rovers_bid/?ref=twt

[Majiball]

That was an opportunity we have regretted passing up on. You can see the damage he has done on his own in the Sunderland team, he would have repaid every penny of his transfer over the years. Instead we have a development project in Kalinic. The Trust/JW should have worked harder to try and secure the funds for the transfer imo and it is not often I say that about JW.

I understand your point over this, but if I have 5,000 to spend on a car and cannot afford a penny more what do I do?

JW has and always will back his man to the hilt within the finances we can afford. Bent & Crouch were never attainable and moaning about it just shows a naivety (not aimed at you) to rival all. 6 million will easily buy a very good striker it didn't have to be a development project.

We've bought Kalinic, that's our lot and saying it should have been Jones or Bent et al, is pointless. We either have to try and get the best out of what we have or cut our loses and buy another one.

[Blue n White Rover]

When talking about transfers people also need to consider the value paid - and what else could have been had for that amount.

Except for Kalinic, which was decent money - who could have done better than £500k NZonzi, Freebie Salgado, £3.5m Givet etc?? People bang on about Gamst this season, or Diouf on loan, or Benjani on a free - WE HAD ZERO pennies, what more could have been done with nothing??

You cannot class Salgado as a free because his wages are ridiculous. For his age, we are paying him a hell of a lot for a club our size. We spend too much on our wages and that is one of the reasons we cannot spend and have to sell our better stars!

[Stuart]

Kalinic was a gamble - as all our transfers have been since Andy Cole in my opinion (the last time we bought established quality)

I'm being picky but I would have given that award to Bellamy - so not quite as long ago.

[alexanders]

I understand your point over this, but if I have 5,000 to spend on a car and cannot afford a penny more what do I do?

JW has and always will back his man to the hilt within the finances we can afford. Bent & Crouch were never attainable and moaning about it just shows a naivety (not aimed at you) to rival all. 6 million will easily buy a very good striker it didn't have to be a development project.

We've bought Kalinic, that's our lot and saying it should have been Jones or Bent et al, is pointless. We either have to try and get the best out of what we have or cut our loses and buy another one.

A car is a terrible comparison. It will only fall in value and therefore not a good value to take a loan on. But a professional football player will probably rise in value and therefore we should be able to loan money to buy him.

[koi]

Nicko, I hope Andy Cryer is paying you for reproducing your work?

[PAFELL]

I have some misgivings about the latest scenario.

If the Kentaro group want to put "young players" through the Rovers set up, it tells me:

they will want to nominate who goes in

and charge a fee,

It may negate any plan the manager has to "create" a team

They will want a fee, if a player moves/is moved on

I'm not convinced that many managers will want to operate in an environment where they don't have control over playing staff.

I can understand an owner wanting professional advise, but would have thought that this would come from the infrastructure already in place at Ewood.

Pafell, I have no proof of this, but I'm fairly positive that the protracted sale time is down to Jack putting covenants into the Trust document about the sale of the Rovers to ensure that the club is well looked after. So, I'd have to agree with Philip that Jack would be spinning.

In my view that would be looking after the club. young talent brought in, cheapish price, developed into a very good play, which benefits Rovers playing wise. Then a huge offer comes along, say for discussion sakes, £9m. The transfer fee divded three way, VH, The agent people and the club. But the club would only sell knowing they have another replacement lined up within the ranks. Rovers would be like a school of football - which opens up revene etc etc. Unless I have misunderstood the plan.

[booth]

So is there a press conference today?

[Paul]

You cannot class Salgado as a free because his wages are ridiculous. For his age, we are paying him a hell of a lot for a club our size. We spend too much on our wages and that is one of the reasons we cannot spend and have to sell our better stars!

A part of the problem with our wage bill, and JW has said this in the past, is the club have to pay over the odds to attract players to Ewood. I don't always fully understand why. On the way home yesterday I found myself wondering how the Liverpool players must feel every day driving in and out of Anfield, it was depressing and not just because we lost. Clearly their club is very different but in terms of local environment, which I think has been suggested, Ewood and the wider local area should be far preferable.

[Exiled in Toronto]

In my view that would be looking after the club. young talent brought in, cheapish price, developed into a very good play, which benefits Rovers playing wise. Then a huge offer comes along, say for discussion sakes, £9m. The transfer fee divded three way, VH, The agent people and the club. But the club would only sell knowing they have another replacement lined up within the ranks. Rovers would be like a school of football - which opens up revene etc etc. Unless I have misunderstood the plan.

It's an interesting plan in several regards. Firstly, it removes the need for an endlessly wealthy benefactor to fund the operation. Secondly, it takes an existing feature of the market, that a player doing well playing for any team in the PL can add massively to his transfer value very quickly (e.g. Masch and Tevez playing for a p!sspoor WHU; those 2 foreign johnnies Wigan sold on to Man Yoo and Spuds). Thirdly, it basically industrialises what is currently a very inefficient system of player recruitment based on each individual manager's contacts, likes/dislikes in the agent world. Fourthly, it only makes money for the owners when the players, and therefore us, do well.

[ABBEY]

theres a difference between nightlife and standerd of living paul. Liverpool is now a top night out both for partying and restraunts whilst blackburn is awful. top nosh or chineses buffet city. hotels as well,theres the top class raddisson where all teams stay or in blackburn you have a travelodge on motorway sevices or if really want to splash out theres the devonshire or chimneys.