[Archived] Ins and outs

[Tom]

Letting Jones go in the next 18 months would be a grave mistake.

Glad you can see the future. Luckily for everyone I can also see an alternate future, here let me have a go:

Selling Jones for a decent fee would be a brilliant piece of business for the club.

The fact is nobody knows what will happen, he has the tools to make an excellent player but at present is instantly replacable to us in my opinion.

To sell or to keep either way it's a gamble.

[den]

Must admit I find it unbelievable that many of our fans are wanting to sell possibly our best prospect for many, many years, before he's even played half a season. You have to wonder exactly what kind of team they want to watch - never mind still not realising that we are where we are now, through selling our best players. The idea that we can strengthen the side by selling the best players, then using the money to strengthen the side has been knocking around since we sold Fred Pickering, Mike England, Kevin Hird, John Bailey etc, etc.

Jones might be sold at some point, but why the rush? Let Jones continue playing for us, for as long as we can keep him.

[gumboots]

No-it isn't funny at all even assuming your description of the business model is even-handed. There is all the difference in the world between buying, developing and eventually selling on players who have no actual affinity with the club.

Local youngsters who grow up supporting the club, went to school round here, know what a Rovers v Burnley derby means are an entirely different kettle of fish.

Along with the supporters they represent the soul of the club.

By "grow up" I assume you want me to be as cynical as you. You don't know what Jones' thinking is and nor do I.

Can I just say, Phil, if you're reading this, I for one don't want you to leave in January at any price. In the Summer, if we were offered a huge amount, and you really wanted to leave, then I suppose we'd have to let you go, but I'd still not be happy. I accept that unless something dramatic happens you'll probably leave at some point, but let it be later rather than sooner.

[BuckyRover]

Must admit I find it unbelievable that many of our fans are wanting to sell possibly our best prospect for many, many years, before he's even played half a season. You have to wonder exactly what kind of team they want to watch - never mind still not realising that we are where we are now, through selling our best players. The idea that we can strengthen the side by selling the best players, then using the money to strengthen the side has been knocking around since we sold Fred Pickering, then Mike England.

Jones might be sold at some point, but why the rush? Let Jones continue playing for us, for as long as we can keep him.

I agree. We could keep him for another 6 years and he could still leave with his best years ahead of him.

It's good to have a local lad in the team who is held in such high regard.

[Tom]

I should say I would love him to stay but there are 2 sides to every story and if he went and the money was used well it wouldn't be the end of the world

[blue/white]

Could be a nice easy way for Venkys to recoup 25% of their investment in one easy move

Ugh.... thanks for p*55ing on our 'parade, Ricky.

No one wants to read this type of 'sensible' post.

Lad i work with lives opposite him. Arsenal did come in for him over the summer. Mate says he jonesey has his feet firmly on the ground and like living at home and playing for rovers.

I don't doubt he's living his dream, hell.... OUR DREAM for that matter. But 'how you keep the lads on the 'farm' after they've seen Paris"???

[chaddyrovers]

Rovers linked with Pavel Pogrebnyak

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1327867/Blackburn-Liverpool-Spurs-race-sign-Stuttgart-star-Pavel-Pogrebnyak.html

[brian_gallagher85]

What a complete non-story

[gumboots]

What a complete non-story

It's the Daily Mail - what else do you expect?

[PAFELL]

Rovers linked with Pavel Pogrebnyak

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1327867/Blackburn-Liverpool-Spurs-race-sign-Stuttgart-star-Pavel-Pogrebnyak.html

3 club rule!!!!!!!!

[brian_gallagher85]

It's the Daily Mail - what else do you expect?

I only realised it was the Mail when I clicked on the link....even by their own standards that's one weak article.

[chaddyrovers]

Why didn't we sign Pavel Pogrebnyak when we sold Santa Cruz before we bought Kalinic???

[Fylde Coast Fan]

Two more years of Jones playing at centre half for us and he could potentially go anywhere in the world, captain England, etc. I hope we get to see it.

[Hughesy]

Jones has a long contract left...is it 3 1/2 years?? Therefore we must resist all bids for at least the next 2 years....aslong as we are in the premier league.

No need to sell, especially if the new owners can provide us with £10m+ a season.

[67splitscreen]

Jones has a long contract left...is it 3 1/2 years?? Therefore we must resist all bids for at least the next 2 years....aslong as we are in the premier league.

No need to sell, especially if the new owners can provide us with £10m+ a season.

Come on Hughesy your usually the oracle with contracts, he only signed a five year deal a few months back.

[Hughesy]

Come on Hughesy your usually the oracle with contracts, he only signed a five year deal a few months back.

Couldnt be arsed looking up if it was 4 or 5.

He has himself a nice new 60 reg Audi A5, he's getting rave reviews, hes playing every game & he's now into the U-21....no reason to move on!! Especially if we can start building a better side!

[Sandman]

Wouldn't surprise me if United offered Diouf as part of a deal for Jones, but with Jones staying at Rovers for another season on loan.

[bluebruce]

Selling Jones for a decent fee would be a brilliant piece of business for the club.

The fact is nobody knows what will happen, he has the tools to make an excellent player but at present is instantly replacable to us in my opinion.

The guy who keeps winning our man of the match awards is instantly replaceable? IMO, this viewpoint can only come from people who don't appreciate the true value of a defender to a team. People who are more impressed by the flashiness of a goalscorer or fancy midfielder than by the equally crucial contributions of the defence. Stopping a goal being scored against you is just as important as scoring one. Jones is invaluable to the team. And yes, he plays an anchor mid position right now, but is better defensively in that than any other player here in that position, and his versatility is merely another asset. On top of this, you don't just look at "instant" replaceability, this is a very short-sighted way of looking at things. You look at long term repercussions (such as Nelsen being likely to be getting past it at the end of the season).

[S15]

Wouldn't surprise me if United offered Diouf as part of a deal for Jones, but with Jones staying at Rovers for another season on loan.

How could we refuse?

[philipl]

Must admit I find it unbelievable that many of our fans are wanting to sell possibly our best prospect for many, many years, before he's even played half a season. You have to wonder exactly what kind of team they want to watch - never mind still not realising that we are where we are now, through selling our best players. The idea that we can strengthen the side by selling the best players, then using the money to strengthen the side has been knocking around since we sold Fred Pickering, Mike England, Kevin Hird, John Bailey etc, etc.

Jones might be sold at some point, but why the rush? Let Jones continue playing for us, for as long as we can keep him.

Too many people playing football manager games den!

I know I raised the spectre of McEveley and Tiny but we have got to keep Jones at all costs.

Selling him during 2011 would be a horrible entry to the club for the new ownership.

[PAFELL]

Wouldn't surprise me if United offered Diouf as part of a deal for Jones, but with Jones staying at Rovers for another season on loan.

It would not surprise me. But I hope Rovers tell any club that Jones is not for sale. Jones could well be the future captain of Rovers. Not yet of course as he needs to get more experience etc. But I can see Rovers building a team around him.

Anyway once a takeover takes place - by whoever wins that race - Rovers should be in a position to say no to any club.

[Andy]

Well the first test was faced in the summer, when we knocked back a serious and substantial bid from Wenger's lot.

Straight-up 'no' from the chairman and nothing from the player, who must surely recognise that he's not going to get it better anywhere else for at least a couple of years.

[Tom]

The guy who keeps winning our man of the match awards is instantly replaceable?

Most people have seemed confused as to why he has won those awards though, not entirely warranted.

But of course that's just because I just don't know as much about football as you eh?

As I said I'd love to keep him as if he keeps developing as he is he would be incredibly hard to replace but at present we don't know that.

The gamble is that at this moment his monetary value is probably greater than his value to the team but in the future he could easily be a £30m player, none of us know and people pretending to know for a fact are lying.

Either way the club is better off for his emergence let's not forget that a year ago not a single one of us would have even considered him to be near a start.

[broadsword]

I hope young Jones isn't reading this thread. If I were him I'd be utterly depressed at "fans" speculating about his value in the transfer market, suggesting whom we could buy from the proceeds and arguing we'd be stronger without him.

No such thing as loyalty in football is there?

If he's a level-headed lad, born round here, a Rovers fan all his life he might just want to give the majority of his career to the club he loves.

Till he reads some comments on here that is.

Sorry but I find that post appalling.

Get used to it.

For a few years now we've seen our squad weaken, it's left a few of our fans defeatist and who can blame them?

The emphasis at the club has been on making a profit on transfer fees to offset running costs. If we are taken over by Venky's, we will be sourcing up-and-coming talent to develop and sell on at a profit. That will be the primary aim. We won't be a football club so much as a football factory.

It's not as romantic as keeping a nucleus of decent players together, getting up the league (10th-12th will do us, remember?), upsetting the big boys and having the odd cup run. But this is Football 2.0, wave of the future. Hope you enjoy it because it's what you wanted.

[47er]

Get used to it.

For a few years now we've seen our squad weaken, it's left a few of our fans defeatist and who can blame them?

The emphasis at the club has been on making a profit on transfer fees to offset running costs. If we are taken over by Venky's, we will be sourcing up-and-coming talent to develop and sell on at a profit. That will be the primary aim. We won't be a football club so much as a football factory.

It's not as romantic as keeping a nucleus of decent players together, getting up the league (10th-12th will do us, remember?), upsetting the big boys and having the odd cup run. But this is Football 2.0, wave of the future. Hope you enjoy it because it's what you wanted.

I'll enjoy it better than being relegated. What's your alternative?