[Archived] Ins and outs

[67splitscreen]

I can't agree with Cruz coming back, we cannot take the risk, we need players for the remainder of the season without injury records longer than War and Peace.

Kranjcar yes and even a Tuncay type to replace Dunny, I doubt we will get 90min from him again, when he limps off we have to change the system and as was proved yesterday the injuries and lack of fitness are taking there toll on his game, his purple patch last season I fear is the last we will see of what he is capable of.

Tuncay being replaced by Dunny for 10-15 minutes would be a better option.

I'd also like to have a look at Dos Santos, spuds I believe paid around 4m for him with another 4m on appearances.

With a couple of decent MF signings IMO we could maintain our current position at least.

Tuncay and Kranjcar for around the 5m mark would be decent. (wages ????)

[Oklahoma]

Nicko, any chance Rovers could be interested in Manuel Fernandes?

Besiktas want him and Rovers should too (or a symilar player)

[chaddyrovers]

Nicko, any chance Rovers could be interested in Manuel Fernandes?

Besiktas want him and Rovers should too (or a symilar player)

Manuel Fernandes would be a class signing! Played in the PL before so wouldn't take that long to settle in!

I can see us either signing John Carew or David Ngog. I would like Osvaldo to sign for rovers but he doesn't want to come to England! Ok let's move on to another target. Who ever we sign as a striker, they get to settle at rovers quickly and the way we play as a team.

I wouldn't be surprise if we sign Denni Avdic with Kentaro/SEM having good knowledge and connections in Sweden!

[nicko]

Absolutely.

To do so shows ignorance and a lack of knowledge towards both players

Benjani's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 1 start, 1 sub [replaced by Roque ironically]. Sunderland 1 start, 7 subs. Rovers 2 starts, 6 subs.

Roque's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 6 starts, 14 subs.

Ignorance?

Lack of knowledge?

Out of your depth, son.

[tony gale's mic]

Benjani's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 1 start, 1 sub [replaced by Roque ironically]. Sunderland 1 start, 7 subs. Rovers 2 starts, 6 subs.

Roque's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 1 start, 14 subs.

Ignorance?

Lack of knowledge?

Out of your depth, son.

Exactly.

Not to mention RSC's very poor Bayern record before he joined Rovers where he averaged a goal every 5 games for 5-6 years.

[JAL]

Interesting days ahead.

Roque's old fella is due to come in to discuss this 'pay as you play' idea. If that is the best idea on the agenda then it is a bad day.

Get the feeling some sparks may fly shortly.

Totally agree.

Allardyce seems to be struggling big time when it comes to recruiting quality strikers.

[Gally]

Benjani's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 1 start, 1 sub [replaced by Roque ironically]. Sunderland 1 start, 7 subs. Rovers 2 starts, 6 subs.

Roque's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 6 starts, 14 subs.

Ignorance?

Lack of knowledge?

Out of your depth, son.

But Nicko, isn't the reason that Roque didn't play as much at the end of his time at Rovers was that he wasn't as willing to play when he wasn't 100%, and now he's at City he simply can't get a game even when he is fit?

Don't get me wrong, he's far away from being a long term solution, but we've seen before a partially fit Roque wanting to put himself in the shop window can be great in the short term.

[Iceman]

Benjani's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 1 start, 1 sub [replaced by Roque ironically]. Sunderland 1 start, 7 subs. Rovers 2 starts, 6 subs.

Roque's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 6 starts, 14 subs.

Ignorance?

Lack of knowledge?

Out of your depth, son.

we wont be relegated, but we will have 6 months to ensure we push on. i dont want RSC back, but if he stays fit, then he has PL experience and we will know what to expect from him.

its that creative midfielder and right winger that is important, especially if RSC signs. he needs quality crosses, and somebody like Bentley will be what is needed. Krankjar(sp) is the other player i want. if we can get RSC, Bentley/SWP and Krankjar, then that will be great.

[Oklahoma]

According to the spanish press, Valencia reached a deal with Besiktas to loan Manuel Fernandes till the end of the season with a 5 million € release clause.

Manuel Fernandes still has the last word.

Rovers should try him.

[nicko]

But Nicko, isn't the reason that Roque didn't play as much at the end of his time at Rovers was that he wasn't as willing to play when he wasn't 100%, and now he's at City he simply can't get a game even when he is fit?

Don't get me wrong, he's far away from being a long term solution, but we've seen before a partially fit Roque wanting to put himself in the shop window can be great in the short term.

I hadn't taken Roque's poor second season at Rovers into consideration with those stats. In his final season he was either moaning about getting away or moaning about being injured. He has knee problems. This has been confirmed since by the evidence of the past two seasons.

Why anyone would consider him is beyond me.

we wont be relegated, but we will have 6 months to ensure we push on. i dont want RSC back, but if he stays fit, then he has PL experience and we will know what to expect from him.

its that creative midfielder and right winger that is important, especially if RSC signs. he needs quality crosses, and somebody like Bentley will be what is needed. Krankjar(sp) is the other player i want. if we can get RSC, Bentley/SWP and Krankjar, then that will be great.

You can either look at the second half of the season as a time to guarantee safety [which is going to be a target of just under 40 points this season by the looks] or planning ahead.

Either way, why sign someone whose best days are behind him and who has not been playing football much lately?

[67splitscreen]

You can either look at the second half of the season as a time to guarantee safety [which is going to be a target of just under 40 points this season by the looks] or planning ahead.

Either way, why sign someone whose best days are behind him and who has not been playing football much lately?

Tuncay ????? still on the scene or not?, do you think his wages could be negotiated down, or is it Kentaro all the way.

[67splitscreen]

RSC has played 25min in the Prem since the WC, how long is it going to take to get him match fit and in getting him fit if he breaks down that's the end of his season and we have lost the opportunity to strengthen our position.

CRAZY!!!

[philipl]

Benjani's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 1 start, 1 sub [replaced by Roque ironically]. Sunderland 1 start, 7 subs. Rovers 2 starts, 6 subs.

Roque's Premier League playing record over past 18 months. Man City 6 starts, 14 subs.

Ignorance?

Lack of knowledge?

Out of your depth, son.

Come on Nicko, grow up!

There is a world of difference between the class of Roque Santa Cruz and the class of Benjani.

If RSC really is willing to come to Ewood on a pay as you play deal, it is an absolute no brainer- of course he got to be signed!

[Amo]

Perhaps it's lucky we have Kentaro if Roque is top of our wishlist.

[magicalmortensleftpeg]

Come on Nicko, grow up!

There is a world of difference between the class of Roque Santa Cruz and the class of Benjani.

If RSC really is willing to come to Ewood on a pay as you play deal, it is an absolute no brainer- of course he got to be signed!

Im pretty sure he was comparing their injury records.

RSC is broken and has been for a year. He did nothing for us in his second season when he was fit. Its not a no brainer.

[nicko]

Tuncay ????? still on the scene or not?, do you think his wages could be negotiated down, or is it Kentaro all the way.

Tuncay is a talented lad, being paid a lot of money. I don't see Stoke - chasing yourselves in the table - would oblige with a cheap deal there.

Come on Nicko, grow up!

There is a world of difference between the class of Roque Santa Cruz and the class of Benjani.

If RSC really is willing to come to Ewood on a pay as you play deal, it is an absolute no brainer- of course he got to be signed!

I would love you to compare the records rather than dream of Roque's golden season...

And a pay-as-you-play deal would involved SOMEONE still picking up his £90,000-a-week salary. It would be a matter if how you split it.

It should not even be discussed.

To be honest, Benjani probably has more to offer. And we have seen how that has worked. Not fit, not picked, behind Jason - the Man With No Number - Roberts.

[67splitscreen]

Tuncay is a talented lad, being paid a lot of money. I don't see Stoke - chasing yourselves in the table - would oblige with a cheap deal there.

What sort of figures do you think, 2m or less and what do you reckon he is on at the moment per week.

[nicko]

What sort of figures do you think, 2m or less and what do you reckon he is on at the moment per week.

Stoke were looking for something more like £4 million inthe last window. He took a cut to go there. But I would still imagine we are talking in the region of £2 million-a-year plus.

An expensive and slightly old luxury item.

[RevidgeBlue]

Why anyone would consider him is beyond me.

You can either look at the second half of the season as a time to guarantee safety [which is going to be a target of just under 40 points this season by the looks] or planning ahead.

Either way, why sign someone whose best days are behind him and who has not been playing football much lately?

If we're looking at him, I can only presume it's because it's the cheapest option available in that it would basically be a short term deal until the end of the season, on essentially a pay as you play basis, and Citeh would be picking up a proportion of his wages.

Maybe it's an indication that there is only say 5m available for January at least and Sam wants to bolster both attack and midfield if possible for that price.

Anyhow in your usual haste to insult all and sundry who disagree with you I feel you're conveniently ignoring the fact that WHEN FIT RSC is a top drawer player and Benjani is at very best distinctly average. There is absolutely no comparison to be made between the two in terms of ability.

I agree the fitness side is a concern - that's a matter for the medical men - but he has been available for selection recently hasn't he? And if the deal is structured correctly from our point of view, it won't represent a risk so much as not taking us any further forward if he does break down.

Agree with philip and a few others, if he is available it's a no brainer to take him - but only on the right terms. Save what's left for midfield.

For those upset about him leaving us in the first place - he did sign a new contract when Ince arrived ensuring us a huge fee and the previous owners probably wanted the 16m for him every bit as much as he wanted to leave.

[trueblue]

Any one else think like I do.. that Sam is struggling to find a suitable striker not because we are short of funds (which doesn't help) but none of them fancy playing the lone striker as Sam wants them to!

[den]

Any one else think like I do.. that Sam is struggling to find a suitable striker not because we are short of funds (which doesn't help) but none of them fancy playing the lone striker as Sam wants them to!

They'll struggle to find a PL club then Trueblue.

[Steve Moss]

RSC on a pay as you play deal is a low risk bet. It would require ManC to guarantee his wages, however. Is that something that they've offered to do?

If we only have 5 million, I would prefer focusing on the midfield. We need to unload some dead weight (Grella, etc.) and get in some quality. I suspect that Kalinic and Benjani would start bagging goals if they had some decent service. I would still love to see a run of games with Roberts and Kalinic side by side.

[Taggart]

RSC on a pay as you play deal is a low risk bet. It would require ManC to guarantee his wages, however. Is that something that they've offered to do?

If we only have 5 million, I would prefer focusing on the midfield. We need to unload some dead weight (Grella, etc.) and get in some quality. I suspect that Kalinic and Benjani would start bagging goals if they had some decent service. I would still love to see a run of games with Roberts and Kalinic side by side.

I agree - do you think Scott Parker, Carlton Cole, Robbie Keane are within our ambitions or are they too far fetched ? would be nice to have another bellamy coup in the January transfer window, in fact, it would be fantastic to have Bellamy back full stop !

[McClarky]

Would love to se us getting shot of Andrews, Grella and Chimbonda to replace them with younger players who are probably cheaper and hungrier. Tuncay looks like a good player but if he hasn't made much of an inpact at Stoke he would probably struggle with us as well. Really need someone to play Dunn's role with the fitness to do it properly as priority I reckon.

[John]

Stating the obvious maybe but adding a quality midfielder would make a massive difference to us as a team. Currently the quality is lacking so much in that department.