[Archived] Ins and outs

[brian_gallagher85]

If/when Wolves go down, I'd like to see a cheap deal for Kevin Doyle, 1-2 million max.

Times that by 10 and you we might just get him. Wolves paid Reading over £6m for him and he's arguably become a better player in that time.

[chaddyrovers]

Pavel Pogrebnyak would be a good signing for us. Can play up front on his own or with a strike partner. How much would he cost? 4 million pounds seems reasonably I think?

Did anybody know why we didn't sign him when Big Sam wanted him?

We could be ahead of both Spuds and Liverpool because Big Sam knows Stuttgart sporting director Fredi Bobic(ex bolton player under BS)

Here the bit from Daily mail that say it:-

Rovers tried to sign Pogrebnyak when he left Zenit St Petersburg a year ago and Ewood Park boss Sam Allardyce's good relationship with Stuttgart sporting director Fredi Bobic could give him the upper hand in clinching an initial loan deal. Bobic played under Allardyce at Bolton Wanderers in 2002.

[budha]

Pavel Pogrebnyak would be a good signing for us. Can play up front on his own or with a strike partner. How much would he cost? 4 million pounds seems reasonably I think?

Did anybody know why we didn't sign him when Big Sam wanted him?

If you had read the whole story, it says that Stuttgart paid almost £4M for him when he had 4 months left in his contract. So that's why we didn't sign him. And the story talks about a loan deal.

[BPF]

Look back on this as an important post:

Venkys do not like Big Sam.

[Torgeir]

Look back on this as an important post:

Venkys do not like Big Sam.

Care to elaborate?

[BuckyRover]

Look back on this as an important post:

Venkys do not like Big Sam.

Looks like I won't need to be eating my hat

[JAL]

Look back on this as an important post:

Venkys do not like Big Sam.

Venky's are going to have to tread very carefully here, as much as the fans have differing opinions on Sam and anything else, Rovers is not a club to make knee jerk reactions.

[JAL]

I cannot agree - although you are entitled to your opinion - that it was wrong for Andy Cryer to write the article. After all it is news about the club. He is only doing his job. We might not like what is written in the papers. But a reporter is only doing their job - reporting news.

If the article is true we should be concerned.

Who is in charge of transfers Sam or Kentaro?

Are the Venky's / kentaro planning things without Sam.

If they are and it is known about within the club. At this stage of the new owners club ownership, there are bound to be teething troubles. This could be one of those.

Therefore it has been reported. Which gives everybody a chance to nip it in the bud or even continue. If it is the latter, then Sam will not be happy and Rovers could end up looking for a new manager.

I also doubt if JW would be happy either as it appears in the article that he also is not involved.

Rovers have always been professional in keeping these things 'in house' obviously that might be a little bit harder now what with the outside influences at the club. But this one though surely had to be kept to oneself for a little while longer than it has, obviously things are up in the air and its early days but we dont to here of upheaval or change for something that could be seen as benefiting Kentaro's balance sheet, do we .

If Andy Cryer is writing this piece in a way that hes clearing the ground for Sams dismissal, then I think the vast majority of Rovers fans would not be too happy about this and the replies of the letters seem to lean this way also.

[Iceman]

venky's dont know anything about football, and are using Kentaro as advisors. is it Venky's or Jerome Anderson that does not like Sam

[Roberto Policano]

Bring in Josip Ilicic and I will love you forever

He only cost 1 million Euro's + clauses.He would cost alot more than that now.

Typical of Premiership clubs to get interested in a player once the horse has bolted.He would cost upwards of £10 million now.

[SergioPeter89]

He only cost 1 million Euro's + clauses.He would cost alot more than that now.

Typical of Premiership clubs to get interested in a player once the horse has bolted.He would cost upwards of £10 million now.

I know. Palermo has done some pretty good deals lately. Ilicic, Bacinovic etc. Slovenia is the place to go when looking for football players!

How much would Wolves want for Matt Jarvis?

[ewoodpo]

I'm not one of Sam's biggest fans however,if this lot decided to get rid it would be a very poor decision.Football is a results business and Sam gets them,we'd all love free flowing attacking football but it ain't gonna happen at most clubs.

This would be very worrying if they decided to get rid when we are again having reasonable season under Sam.If Venkys are holding meetings with the Kentaro mob why aren't JW and Sam involved.

Last I read was JW was still chairman therefore, he should be involved.Somebody mentioned these meetings on here prior the telegraph story today.

BPF/Nicko should we as Rovers fans be worried about the way this is going?

[chaddyrovers]

Look back on this as an important post:

Venkys do not like Big Sam.

care to go into more detail please?

Also who do Venky's wanted as manager???

[nicko]

I'm not one of Sam's biggest fans however,if this lot decided to get rid it would be a very poor decision.Football is a results business and Sam gets them,we'd all love free flowing attacking football but it ain't gonna happen at most clubs.

This would be very worrying if they decided to get rid when we are again having reasonable season under Sam.If Venkys are holding meetings with the Kentaro mob why aren't JW and Sam involved.

Last I read was JW was still chairman therefore, he should be involved.Somebody mentioned these meetings on here prior the telegraph story today.

BPF/Nicko should we as Rovers fans be worried about the way this is going?

There was always going to be an issue over new signings - and the input of the advisers to the owners. I think I said that about a dozen times before.

So does the manager accept that is the way the new owners and their mates want to run the club?

Or does he get the LMA to come in and say his position is being undermined?

Very interesting situation could develop here.

One point has been missed, but now that the dust has settled on the takeover it needs to be pointed out.

There are NEW owners. They will do what they want. It's their club.

If the senior employees don't like it, then there will only be one winner.

[bennyboyt11]

Well, although I don't agree with the idea of Venky's getting rid of Sam, I think the more important question would be who would we end up with as our new manager?

[nicko]

Well, although I don't agree with the idea of Venky's getting rid of Sam, I think the more important question would be who would we end up with as our new manager?

I don't think the new owners want rid of the manager.

[MarkBRFC71]

I don't think the new owners want rid of the manager.

But what are Kentaro advising them to do, and how much 'pull' do they have with Venky's?

[Paul]

To be honest I do not know what to expect. I am just refering to something that was reported, with regards something that was said by them. I am sure I read that we would see changes after a month of ownership. A mute point, that I agree, but wondering what we should expect by them. Of course the transfer window is closed and therefore nothing can be chnaged there. But as the Venky's have said we will see changes in the club within a month of ownership. Should we expect them to back up their words or not.

PAFELL like you I don't know what to expect and agree Cryer is correct to publish this article IF this is what he knows / has heard.

Just one thing, it was Mrs Desai I think, Venky's said it would be two months or thereabouts before we saw any real changes. I took that to mean the January window.

[nicko]

But what are Kentaro advising them to do, and how much 'pull' do they have with Venky's?

I don't think anyone is advising that the manager is sacked.

It would be risky to make a change just now.

Long-term, new owners usually like to have their own managers.

But one thing is sure - Kentaro's people [Huber and Anderson] will have a major say in ALL football decisions.

[Steve Moss]

I don't think the new owners want rid of the manager.

That's a relief.

I'm more interested in whom Venkys/Kentaro/JW/Sam bring into the squad in January.

[nicko]

I'm more interested in whom Venkys/Kentaro/JW/Sam bring into the squad in January.

The BIGGEST point in all of this debate is who Kentaro are suggesting for January...

If they have some super striker up their sleeves then nobody would be bothering about whose idea it was.

If they don't then there will be some friction all round.

The pressure is actually on them to deliver.

[MarkBRFC71]

I don't think anyone is advising that the manager is sacked.

It would be risky to make a change just now.

Long-term, new owners usually like to have their own managers.

But one thing is sure - Kentaro's people [Huber and Anderson] will have a major say in ALL football decisions.

So will signings be Kentaro's or Sam's choice?

[philipl]

I don't think anyone is advising that the manager is sacked.

It would be risky to make a change just now.

Long-term, new owners usually like to have their own managers.

But one thing is sure - Kentaro's people [Huber and Anderson] will have a major say in ALL football decisions.

Either that is a load of BS or Rovers are headed for major break down.

Huber and Anderson will spend all of the Venky's money on over-priced over-paid journeymen then walk away as soon as the Venky's realise they have been had and have wasted all their money.

[Amo]

Even if Venky's are anti-Samite, I very much doubt they'd sack him in the middle of the season, especially when they've spoke about building stability within the club. Also, why put their hand in their pockets for compo when Sam's contract expires at the end of the season?

[Fife Rover]

venky's dont know anything about football, and are using Kentaro as advisors. is it Venky's or Jerome Anderson that does not like Sam

That is the really worrying bit for me. Leaving aside completely the little differences of opinion and silly little arguments that abound on this MB on the subject of Sam and his managerial abilities, I contend that it would be very foolish for any new owner of any English football club coming in, and then only two weeks into their ownership and with their own admitted lack if knowledge of football in general, let alone a lack of detailed knowledge of the club they have just purchased, to allow speculation in the press about whether or not they should be replacing the manager is extremely foolish to say the least.

This is just not the way things should be done. It is not the English way, and if this is indeed true then it would most likely cause a storm in the media and within football circles which could only have one result: namely to cause Blackburn Rovers to suffer a catastrophic loss of face and damage their reputation for years to come. All this is of course assuming that the rumours are true; but there is now an urgent need for Venkys to come out and clarify the situation before this all gets out of hand.